Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Exalted doesn't really like Celestials-making-Celestials without some incredibly epic investment. Unless we do something waaaaay beyond simply extraordinary, we'll "just" produce a powerful city god.
Sorry, I didn't mean that we'd make a celestial tier exaltation. I meant that a god of Chicago should be able to empower a celestial tier exigent or otherwise produce a chosen powerful enough to work at our level.

Or not, if we need to break the Black Vault first.

If we're looking to make a new god, we have a candidate to recycle parts from wandering around…

I also think it might make sense to subvert Chicago's mortal institutions before we make a god. Holding the ritual to make it in City Hall and having the Mayor, City Clerk, City Treasurer, Chief of Police, Editor of the Chicago Tribune, Coaches of the major sports teams, etc as active participants would probably make a much better god.
True. There are a lot of stretch goals in this, a lot of stuff we could add to make it grander.
 
...I will point out that our Essence comes from the Yozi, that for cannon ExWoD, corrupted the Yomi Wan.

Yeah. So making a God of Chicago may, just may, not end as we expect it to.
There are means to purify our essence for various purposes. Mana manip could do it. It is definitively a factor tho.
Chicago has notorious corruption already, a little hell essence probably wouldn't hurt. :V

Seriously though, I'd expect this level of essence handling to be part of the charm. A five dot super charm that requires extensive and complicated prep to use then sticks you with silly gotchas anyway would be dumb.
Oh, we'll absolutely need the charm.

As to effects it'll have... The Canon ExvsWoD celestial tier exigent is called The Metropolitan Exalt, Chosen of Cities. Chicago is not all cities, but it'll be the first city god of anew age, sitting at the metaphorical center of the world with lots of significant stuff in its area. So... if nothing else, we might be getting a new circle mate out of it.
I'd be interested in seeing how much flexibility we have with implementation. We made a least god, but those entities aren't the most common anymore. Dresden Files does love its mantles though.

Rather than making a god and having it sacrifice power to make an exalt, which has confusing lore complications in this context, outright making a DF mantle to stick on someone instead would be neat.

Maybe mechanically model it as a terrestrial that has an ascension path based on their temporal control of the city or something.

kind of awkward to pick who it goes to though; giving it to family would be uncomfortable since we'd need to choose between them, and we don't really know Molly's friends well enough to know if we want to deal with that or if they're equipped to handle the pressure.

Harry probably wouldn't take it, but I guess we could try.
Exalted doesn't really like Celestials-making-Celestials without some incredibly epic investment. Unless we do something waaaaay beyond simply extraordinary, we'll "just" produce a powerful city god.
The other option here, discounting the other stuff in this post, would be the incarnate god joining our circle directly.

It's based on some very human ideas, so it being more wakeful and mortal scale could fit.

Probably couldn't go on adventures out of the city with us unless we conquer in its name or something, but we do center our operations here so that's not too huge of a loss.
 
Murphy or, much as I hate to say it, Marcone would be the perfect and most logical choices as a chosen of Chicago.
If the god could choose I'd bet on Marcone, but screw that. I don't want a gang war with him yet, but I'd rather bite the bullet and kill him than see him exalt or take up a mantle of any serious power.

Murphy would definitely be a good pick if we make mantle or something though.
 
True. There are a lot of stretch goals in this, a lot of stuff we could add to make it grander.

An advantage is that lots of them are greatly facilitated by things we want to do anyway.

For example, getting control of Chicago's government is something that we really should be looking to achieve anyway. It makes us much more able to act and also gives us more tools to act with.

Similarly, mapping and controlling Chicago's dragon nests is something we want to do as well. Pair that with control over local government and broader scale geomancy projects involving infrastructure installed at multiple dragon nests becomes possible, which can then feed into a god forging ritual.

If we play our cards right we can also import ritualists and components for magi-tech infrastructure from our Hell.

A big stretch goal, for example; would be metaphysically aligning Chicago with our Hell, creating analogies for WoD's Broken Mirrors that allow easy travel between the two - perhaps represented here by redirecting the Ways. I can't see how forging a god won't have strong influence over the local Nevernever, and if the Geomantic infrastructure we use is made using parts from our Hell, key the ritual participants that are members of the local elite are fomor possessed by devils of our Hell, as key bits of the city's electronic infrastructure that's linking up the city's dragon nests along the leylines, we should be able to make a good go at it.

Murphy or, much as I hate to say it, Marcone would be the perfect and most logical choices as a chosen of Chicago.

A good reason for him to have died resisting arrest before then.

We can't consolidate our grip on Chicago without him gone anyway.
 
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@DragonParadox since Harry isn't outright rejecting an idea of making an artificial leyline in his apartment, what would be involved in that? Would that still need the 5 dot craft charm, or is it something doable via occult rolls and consulting with Bob? I am guessing that, if it's possible, it would take at least one AP.
 
@DragonParadox since Harry isn't outright rejecting an idea of making an artificial leyline in his apartment, what would be involved in that? Would that still need the 5 dot craft charm, or is it something doable via occult rolls and consulting with Bob? I am guessing that, if it's possible, it would take at least one AP.

Harry could also do the manipulation himself with your help (he is very strong as wizards go and this would be just a shunt) but it would be more dangerous for him than it would be for Molly with the charm.
 
Harry could also do the manipulation himself with your help (he is very strong as wizards go and this would be just a shunt) but it would be more dangerous for him than it would be for Molly with the charm.
So, to be clear, the options are:
1) Harry does the ritual, Molly assists
2) Molly does the ritual via the 5 dot charm, Harry assists
What Path would Molly need to study to do this without the 5 dot charm? Warding? Enchantment?
 
So, to be clear, the options are:
1) Harry does the ritual, Molly assists
2) Molly does the ritual via the 5 dot charm, Harry assists
What Path would Molly need to study to do this without the 5 dot charm? Warding? Enchantment?

It sounds like a Mana Manipulation ritual.
 
The scariest part was just how reasonable 'make your own ley line' sounded when compared to 'lets raise the patron god of Chicago'
This is a day ending in -ay for a Solaroid... As Harry will learn.
There are so many interesting things he can learn, from Molly in her new condition...

And it was interesting to see how Jarring it looks from outsider POv, that she got ghouls , Whamps and humans all together as people. Something I hope to see other people's thoughts about.
 
That aside, I'm on board with igniting a city god. I bet it'd have all kinds of interesting effects, ranging from enhancing mortal action in the city limits to giving a bad time to supernatural creatures hunting its citizens.
I'm just worried about it potentially interacting in deeply unfortunate ways with Demonreach. Such as by temporarily draining the leylines dry during the actual creation process or the prison and its prisoners affecting the god's nature
 
OOC: Just to be clear raising a City God would take a hell of a lot more energy than Bane did. Proper Exalted Crafting can do it, but Dresden does not know what that is and so his thoughts immediately go to darker places.

So what I'm hearing is: "this is a good idea, do it, do it, do it."

Seems legit. :V

... Guys, you do know that we are, like, contractually obligated to raise the Spirit of Chicago now, right?

This guy gets it!

If you want to raise something as large as a City God you are going to need the crafting charm, but otherwise yes.

*Notes it*

Probably, yeah. At that point we should have several tens, if not hundreds of minions with occult 5, including those from our kingdom, pulling the power from multiple dragon nests, and might have more circle mates. I wonder if we'll be able to break 100 successes

*Try to make a city god, ends up with a mini Ligier*

A good reason for him to have died resisting arrest before then.

Ah yes, the good old, *resisted arrest*, truly a classic.

 
So, to be clear, the options are:
1) Harry does the ritual, Molly assists
2) Molly does the ritual via the 5 dot charm, Harry assists
What Path would Molly need to study to do this without the 5 dot charm? Warding? Enchantment?

If Molly has the charm she can do it on her own, she could do it with enchantment, but she would need at least 4 dots in it
 
metaphysically aligning Chicago with our Hell, creating analogies for WoD's Broken Mirrors that allow easy travel between the two - perhaps represented here by redirecting the Ways.
I really like this idea, in no small part because we'd basically end up consulting Dresden on something that sounds like the sort of plot Harry would spend an entire book foiling, but there might be some issues here.

Discounting how many practitioners would piss themselves seeing it go down, I'd be concerned about the security issues of making it easy to get in and out of our hell in a city linked to so many places and with powerful reps from so many supernatural powers in it.

To be safe I think we'd need to pick up the transit control perk for the hell or put some serious thought into how to manage the border from our side. Definitely worth looking into though, since it'd make our hell more relevant without taking us out of the mortal world.

I do think it'd be worth playing with the mantle idea as well though. If we can make that work it could become a cornerstone of making mortals relevant again. We could work with the library (assuming they're worth our time for the moment) and set up mantles in major cities across the country. Mantles made by and for mortals using the essence of their greatest places of power to defend them.

That we'd be creating a cross between modern gods, urban legends, and the justification for a superhero comic book franchise would be icing on the cake. :V

Somehow doing both would be the best possible outcome if we could swing it. As long as we could maintain control of Molly's he'll world it'd be the crossroads of the entire planet, making the normal ways significantly less palatable for earth based entities and assisting us in politically displacing winter.

We don't all agree on being their enemies exactly, but I think we're all fine with stealing their shit if we can do it without breaking reality.
I'm just worried about it potentially interacting in deeply unfortunate ways with Demonreach. Such as by temporarily draining the leylines dry during the actual creation process or the prison and its prisoners affecting the god's nature
That's probably not a concern. One of the things that Dresden learns when binding himself to it was that the dark ley line he thought was passing through it was actually cast off power from the prisoners. If we drain it we'd basically just be giving Demonreach's mystical sewer system a deep cleaning.
 
Are there any synergies from, say, knowing, Alchemy and Enchantment and the Exalted Crafting charm? Essentially using the Exalted Crafting charm to build on top of what the mortal paths can do?

Yes, you could create greater wonders that make lesser works of mortal arts quicker to create or circumstantially more powerful. More rarely it could go the other way with some hard won insight of alchemy or enchanting applying to say creating a golem or raising an emanation.
 
I really like this idea, in no small part because we'd basically end up consulting Dresden on something that sounds like the sort of plot Harry would spend an entire book foiling, but there might be some issues here.

Discounting how many practitioners would piss themselves seeing it go down, I'd be concerned about the security issues of making it easy to get in and out of our hell in a city linked to so many places and with powerful reps from so many supernatural powers in it.

To be safe I think we'd need to pick up the transit control perk for the hell or put some serious thought into how to manage the border from our side. Definitely worth looking into though, since it'd make our hell more relevant without taking us out of the mortal world.

It depends on the Hell we make. If it's a highly populated earth sized world inhabited by devils with modern technology, then any unfriendly supernatural that wanders in will rapidly find it's trapped in there with our legions of war devils rather than the other way around. There arne't many creatures that can stand up to something like bombardment by a brigade of modern guided artillery or repeated airstrikes from bunker busting missiles. Particularly as those weapons could well be enchanted themselves.
 
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Trying to track down a medicine man willing and able to take the Ways to Chicago on the strength 'trust me there's a Skinwalker on the loose' was what some wizards might call a Sisyphean task I just call it the most shit luck I'd had all year,
I find it funny the we haven't even considered trying to do that ourselves. I guess because just driving it away feels like a fail state.
 
Incidentally, I think it's time to expand this list:
Somewhere in Molly's soul scape Usum has an office for official business, which contains a notebook of our various subconscious desires.

So far this contains gems such as:

1) Murdering a millennia old diabolic warlock

2) Following up on fashion tips from a Fallen Angel

3) Becoming a glorious hell-star crowned with rings of brass and mouths of volcanic stone in part to mock pretenders to the throne of the hells

And finally

4) Feeding Pixies motes of essence until something cool happens.

The first three reaffirm that she was an excellent choice for an infernal; the last one he probably writes off as her inner first age solar shining through. :V
5) Create a city god
6) Create what the unimaginative might call an unnecessary number of city gods
7) make Batman into a pseudo-divine mantle
8) become Wayrail tycoon.
Yes, you could create greater wonders that make lesser works of mortal arts quicker to create or circumstantially more powerful. More rarely it could go the other way with some hard won insight of alchemy or enchanting applying to say creating a golem or raising an emanation.
Are you going to use Holden's crafting stuff, or just use it as a barrier to entry/adjuster for doing high level exalted reality bullying?
It depends on the Hell we make. If it's a highly populated earth sized world inhabited by devils with modern technology, then any unfriendly supernatural that wanders in will rapidly find it's trapped in there with our legions of war devils rather than the other way around. There arne't many creatures that can stand up to something like bombardment by a brigade of modern guided artillery or repeated airstrikes from bunker busting missiles. Particularly as those weapons could well be enchanted themselves.
I'm less concerned about invasion than smuggling and infiltration, but I agree bigger is better here. Mechanics aside; the gravitas of a hell world blows everything else out of the water and the charm is supposed to be a kingdom, not an uplift package.
 
I do think it'd be worth playing with the mantle idea as well though. If we can make that work it could become a cornerstone of making mortals relevant again. We could work with the library (assuming they're worth our time for the moment) and set up mantles in major cities across the country. Mantles made by and for mortals using the essence of their greatest places of power to defend them.
The issuewith mantle crafting, as opposed to raising exigents, is that manntles are by definition, limiting. They are focusing and amplifying devices. You can act more strongly than normally, but only in certain ways. Exaltations are the opposite, increasing the range of what's possible for a host. If exigents are possible, they would be superior to mantles in a lot of ways, at least in my opinion.

Also, I didn't get the impression that igniting an exigent depowered the patron permanently. Cost a lot, potentially caused a spiritual wound, but I thought that it was something that could be healed and regained in time.
 
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