Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

It'd help a lot, but I think we should at some point start sketching out a long term buff/passive heavy build for her.
Something that lets her get as much as she can from each mote rather than trying to overcome the terrestrial pool size issue directly.

Her excellency is good for this sort of thing for a terrestrial, and she is pretty wealthy. Going full Batman with potions and enchanted gadgets made with inhuman skill would probably be more effective in the long run.
The jade storage has potential but requires looking into something that we have no IC idea about, so it could be tricky.
A celestial upgrade, assuming it's possible, would probably be a really long term thing with an epic quest or two attached.
A high efficiency build would make her more capable of achieving the things needed to get the workarounds, and still benefit from an enhanced pool later.
Outside her core charmset?

Buy multiple Familiars to Tier 4-5 and take the Familiar gattai charm. 12-15 XP each
Add Sorcery Paths for Hellfire, Fortune and Chronomancy at ~Tier 3. 13XP each
Learn Tier 2 Meng for WP recovery.
Learn Resilient Cat.
Hit Molly up for magic gear. ???
Loot.???

As for the jade talisman, the obvious IC explanation is that her father arranged/commissioned it for her.
It was supposed to arrive in time for her birthday.
On Halloween.
Not sure how far that'll go, but it's a place to start I suppose. Dresden may have his levers, but he'd have died years ago if he wasn't capable of noticing and responding to that sort of maneuvering.
Oh, he'll notice; he has a pretty finely calibrated sense of paranoia.

Thing is, he's pretty well prepared for people trying to set hooks of obligation and control; multiple people and factions, from Marcone to Lara to the Reds to Mab herself have offered him money and power, if he'll only X.
He doesnt really have much experience for people who just...want to give him stuff without strings, or for stuff he's already done.

Worst comes to worst we make the trust fund out in Mouse's name and make him legal executor.
 
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[X] Fetch Harry for a second opinion
-[X] Occult (to work together with Harry on solving the issue( and Empathy (to get Harry to accept payment) excellencies
-[x] Insist on paying him. This isn't save the world stuff. It's help Molly with her project stuff.
-[X] [STUNT] Walking once more into Harry's dimly lit apartment, the traditional bag of fast food in one hand (chicken sandwiches and waffle fries this time, for variety) with a cardboard tray holding a trio of strawberry shakes in the other, you prepare a list of arguments to convince Harry that his time is valuable: "So, I actually have an exciting non-threatening magical problem that I want to consult with you on, for a change. Will you take cash, or am I writing a second book of eldrich lore for you? I have some ideas on what you might be interested in"
 
The idea isn't to sell him on using the same proto-enchantment we discovered in Last Station, but rather the potential for an easy, low maintenance method of converting magic to electricity. That could be the first step to making magic more tech friendly.
After rereading the update: are the two actually different? The text I read was this:
what has been powering the sickly lights you had found when you first stumbled over this place... Porter himself. An elemental moving around near a crossing of the Dragon Lines is a bit like a moving a magnet though an electrical field, not that it causes a current exactly, more like it's a proto-spell, a kind of shaped magic that is sensitive to will, in this case to the will of Adam and his gang as well as others who lingered around the station. Since they did not neat more than the poor and flickering lighting that is all they got.
I understood it like this:
If there's a powerful enough elemental being that is moving near a dragon line nexus, the power of the elemental and the power of the dragon lines interact. This interaction generates some sort of an area-of-effect field. This field responds to the wills of mortals or near mortals in the area (might also respond to the will of the elemental) to manifest physical effects aimed at fulfilling wishes / physical needs of the mortals. Sorta kinda like an anti-techbane field. A manifestation of this effect is electrical devices being powered by ex-nihilo generated electricity. It probably also acts as climate control to an extent, and might provide disease control to an extent, if I understand correctly.

There's no "easy way to convert magic to electricty" outside of "live in a Dragon Nest also inhabited by an elemental". And moving Harry to one should be doable, and Mouse might count as an elemental to generate the effect. But it won't be an easy spell for Harry himself to cast. One whose effects can be imitated maybe.
 
After rereading the update: are the two actually different? The text I read was this:

I understood it like this:
If there's a powerful enough elemental being that is moving near a dragon line nexus, the power of the elemental and the power of the dragon lines interact. This interaction generates some sort of an area-of-effect field. This field responds to the wills of mortals or near mortals in the area (might also respond to the will of the elemental) to manifest physical effects aimed at fulfilling wishes / physical needs of the mortals. Sorta kinda like an anti-techbane field. A manifestation of this effect is electrical devices being powered by ex-nihilo generated electricity. It probably also acts as climate control to an extent, and might provide disease control to an extent, if I understand correctly.

There's no "easy way to convert magic to electricty" outside of "live in a Dragon Nest also inhabited by an elemental". And moving Harry to one should be doable, and Mouse might count as an elemental to generate the effect. But it won't be an easy spell for Harry himself to cast. One whose effects can be imitated maybe.

This is accurate to what Molly saw. Though the interaction of Porter and the Dragon's Nest the magic is being pushed into the conceptual pattern of the electrical wiring in such a way as the mortals nearby expect it to work.
 
Is Porter essence-positive? Would Porter's growth empower the Dragon Nest?

Molly isn't sure, she would have to ask him, that said given the fact that he has chosen to live near the Dragon Nest he must be getting some benefit out of it

Yes, but Harry has a phone now. We could leave a phone with a cyber demon in it with Bob and it would both allow Harry to consult with Bob discretely from a distance and provide a way to bribe Bob with pornography to ensure his enthusiastic assistance.

Sure that would work, though Harry would have to use Clippy while Bob uses Burny.
 
[X] Fetch Harry for a second opinion
-[X] Occult (to work together with Harry on solving the issue( and Empathy (to get Harry to accept payment) excellencies
-[x] Insist on paying him. This isn't save the world stuff. It's help Molly with her project stuff.
-[X] [STUNT] Walking once more into Harry's dimly lit apartment, the traditional bag of fast food in one hand (chicken sandwiches and waffle fries this time, for variety) with a cardboard tray holding a trio of strawberry shakes in the other, you prepare a list of arguments to convince Harry that his time is valuable: "So, I actually have an exciting non-threatening magical problem that I want to consult with you on, for a change. Will you take cash, or am I writing a second book of eldrich lore for you? I have some ideas on what you might be interested in"
1)The man is doing us a favor in coming down to take a look.
Dont set preconditions on how he does that
You offer payment; if he refuses, you mark it down and repay it in some other manner.

2)Dont make promises about our future AP expenditure in a stunt.
We have already committed one third of our AP next turn to Shih martial arts.

We also know the Wan Kuei exist in this setting.
Could buy or loot one eventually.
Fair points both.

I said this before. I'll say this again. Buying familiars with XP is a waste of said XP. Familiars should be obtained via in-story quests.
I disagree. They are no more a waste than buying charms with XP instead of winning them as prizes for exceptional roleplay.

While you can get a familiar, or the opportunity to recruit a familar in game?
Most familiars do not have the narrative heft to be the focus of one or more story arcs around recruiting and training/learning to work with them. And I have very little interest in spending significant chunks of a story arc around recruiting familiars.

And often, Backgrounds with no XP backing have no plot protection.
Easy come, easy go.
This is accurate to what Molly saw. Though the interaction of Porter and the Dragon's Nest the magic is being pushed into the conceptual pattern of the electrical wiring in such a way as the mortals nearby expect it to work.
That suggests that, other than the obvious power generation in Dragons Nest thing, the important insight there is getting a mechanical model for how similar conceptual proto-spell effects like the techbane works.
Which translates to knowledge of how to defend against and manage it.
 
Is Porter essence-positive? Would Porter's growth empower the Dragon Nest?
I think he lives here to feed on the nest and not the other way around.

I don't have any proof for it, but I'd be very surprised if there were many beings around that are essence positive given how reduced things are compared to the age of legends.
"live in a Dragon Nest also inhabited by an elemental".
This might be exploitable for us in the future.

We don't have any other dragon nest equivalents, but we can make custom least gods with some mortal help on the ritual or the special crafting charm.

Presumably there's some thematic elements about the nature of the nest that change the effect, but if we could design the god involved we could potentially manipulate how it interacts with the essence flow and therefore the properties of the will sensitive field that interaction generates.

It'd be neat if we could ward dragon nests in a way that generates a utility field to assist with anything we do inside of them or something.
 
This is accurate to what Molly saw. Though the interaction of Porter and the Dragon's Nest the magic is being pushed into the conceptual pattern of the electrical wiring in such a way as the mortals nearby expect it to work.
So, am I correct in my guess that it also provides other low level "this place works like mortals expect it to work" effects? And, as far as Molly understands, what role mortals play in the whole process? I.e. does Porter's own mind / will play a role at all? Or is it only mortals and near mortals that matter? If, for example, the place was inhabited by fae / other soulless beings, would the field still generate effects?

So many questions...

Also, "conceptual pattern of the electrical wiring" makes me think that we should lay out the wiring according to feng shui and such. Ie apply not only technological knowledge, but also occult one.
 
So, am I correct in my guess that it also provides other low level "this place works like mortals expect it to work" effects? And, as far as Molly understands, what role mortals play in the whole process? I.e. does Porter's own mind / will play a role at all? Or is it only mortals and near mortals that matter? If, for example, the place was inhabited by fae / other soulless beings, would the field still generate effects?

So many questions...

Also, "conceptual pattern of the electrical wiring" makes me think that we should lay out the wiring according to feng shui and such. Ie apply not only technological knowledge, but also occult one.

Molly cannot tell without more experimentation, her occult roll was for 'How on earth are these lights working' because that was what she was taking apart during the action.
 
1)The man is doing us a favor in coming down to take a look.
Dont set preconditions on how he does that
You offer payment; if he refuses, you mark it down and repay it in some other manner.
This is not a favor. This is a business transaction. Now, yes, Harry is our friend, I hope. But this is business.
2)Dont make promises about our future AP expenditure in a stunt.
We have already committed one third of our AP next turn to Shih martial arts.
That's fair. I'll modify it like this:
[X] Fetch Harry for a second opinion
-[X] Occult (to work together with Harry on solving the issue( and Empathy (to get Harry to accept payment) excellencies
-[x] Insist on paying him. This isn't save the world stuff. It's help Molly with her project stuff.
-[X] [STUNT] Walking once more into Harry's dimly lit apartment, the traditional bag of fast food in one hand (chicken sandwiches and waffle fries this time, for variety) with a cardboard tray holding a trio of strawberry shakes in the other, you prepare a list of arguments to convince Harry that his time is valuable: "So, I actually have an exciting non-threatening magical problem that I want to consult with you on, for a change. Will you take cash or shall we barter?"
While you can get a familiar, or the opportunity to recruit a familar in game?
Most familiars do not have the narrative heft to be the focus of one or more story arcs around recruiting and training/learning to work with them. And I have very little interest in spending significant chunks of a story arc around recruiting familiars.
Too large a menagerie is impractical anyway. Still, that's fair if you are not interested. I am, at least in some such quests. Looking for Mouse's litter mates, finding an egg of some mystical bird, etc, all seems like a good activities.
And often, Backgrounds with no XP backing have no plot protection.
Existence of plot shields is speculative at best. It certainly shouldn't be used as an argument.
This might be exploitable for us in the future.

We don't have any other dragon nest equivalents, but we can make custom least gods with some mortal help on the ritual or the special crafting charm.

Presumably there's some thematic elements about the nature of the nest that change the effect, but if we could design the god involved we could potentially manipulate how it interacts with the essence flow and therefore the properties of the will sensitive field that interaction generates.

It'd be neat if we could ward dragon nests in a way that generates a utility field to assist with anything we do inside of them or something.
Indeed. If (when) we buy Essence-Dissecting Stare we should check the whole of Chicago and nearby areas to locate all Dragon Nests. Then do a project where we map all underwater Dragon Nests in the world. I am fairly sure such a map would be invaluable.
 
I kind of want to convince Dresden to move in. It isn't as if his current rented apartment is great shakes. I expect this dragon nest to be better once we finish fixing it up.
 
Terrestrials are essence-positive, and yet Dragon Nests are an essential part of their continuous existence. IDK, Porter could be essence-positive and still benefit from it. Or even need it for something.
Terrestrials are exalts, and therefore cheating bastards who cheat. Exalted gods all need to eat worship, the whole point of humans in Creation was basically to be cheap cattle to feed the systems keeping the primordial's toys running.

My impression is that the primary essence positive things in creation were primordials and exalts.


Indeed. If (when) we buy Essence-Dissecting Stare we should check the whole of Chicago and nearby areas to locate all Dragon Nests. Then do a project where we map all underwater Dragon Nests in the world. I am fairly sure such a map would be invaluable.
Pretty sure Dresden pulls out a ley line map for one of his jobs in the series, so we can probably just buy that off him and save ourselves some time.
 
Well, also Incarna. Maybe also elementals, although I am not entirely sure. But they did have some important role in keeping things going.
(Waves hand uncertainty) The Primordials had a tendency to over engineer things. I mean creating a small god for every blade of grass and raindrop that was so amazingly surplus to requirements.
 
My impression is that the primary essence positive things in creation were primordials and exalts.
Weren't mortals created to generate prayer which was, in principle, essence or at least essence-generation catalyst?
Pretty sure Dresden pulls out a ley line map for one of his jobs in the series, so we can probably just buy that off him and save ourselves some time.
We definitely should, but I am fairly sure it's very incomplete, and I doubt Harry is aware of what a Dragon Nest is. Remember, Dragon Nests are supposed to be rare. As in, I doubt there are more than three or four in the whole Chicago area (I might be wrong, and Chicago is special anyway). And they are strategic power nodes. And are more than just a confluence of several ley lines. We aren't building a manse, obviously, but we'd probably need to do something to make Last Station a full Dragon Nest.
 
Weren't mortals created to generate prayer which was, in principle, essence or at least essence-generation catalyst?
Yeah, but humans aren't perpetual motion machines. My assumption was that creation took in energy somehow, and humans were the end point of a process used to convert/flavor it for use by things higher on the food chain.

Well, also Incarna. Maybe also elementals, although I am not entirely sure. But they did have some important role in keeping things going.
Incarna are still gods. The basic description for why humans exist in exalted doesn't really include a carve out for them, and they still demanded a tithe of prayer, so my assumption would be even the shiniest lighbulb himself needed to eat.
 
Yeah, but humans aren't perpetual motion machines. My assumption was that creation took in energy somehow, and humans were the end point of a process used to convert/flavor it for use by things higher on the food chain.


Incarna are still gods. The basic description for why humans exist in exalted doesn't really include a carve out for them, and they still demanded a tithe of prayer, so my assumption would be even the shiniest lighbulb himself needed to eat.

It is said that Luna's job was to refresh Creation through her interactions with the Wyld as well as protect Creation from the Wyldd. One could argue that this was in terms of creativity, but from what we see of the Border Marches and the Middlemarches and even the Deep Wyld it was all surprisingly sterile for a place of endless possibility, just shifting the pieces around, so the idea that Creation was powered by the Wyld does make some sense, though I am far from an Exalted expert.
 
Yeah, alright, they didn't generate stuff ex-nihilo. DP is right, they were a giant Wyld-Creation filter. Just checked the Glories PDF.

Returning to the initial point, Porter might not be essence-positive, but he still might be doing good things to the essence-environment as an elemental. IDK.
 
Yeah, alright, they didn't generate stuff ex-nihilo. DP is right, they were a giant Wyld-Creation filter. Just checked the Glories PDF.

Returning to the initial point, Porter might not be essence-positive, but he still might be doing good things to the essence-environment as an elemental. IDK.
That I would agree on; at very minimum he's regulating how that power interacts with the world, and keeping out things that might take his niche and use it in an unfriendly way.

We have no confirmation of a mechanic yet, but I doubt the darker sort of spirit would generate a convenience field while interacting with a dragon nest.
 
That I would agree on; at very minimum he's regulating how that power interacts with the world, and keeping out things that might take his niche and use it in an unfriendly way.

We have no confirmation of a mechanic yet, but I doubt the darker sort of spirit would generate a convenience field while interacting with a dragon nest.
Which is why I suggest we use Mouse's fur / blood as the primary focus when making Dragon Nest guardian gods for any future Nest we fins. With Blessings and Warding being the primary paths for warding them.
 
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