Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

At the current stage, the biggest obstacle is that to craft superior stuff without magic, we need beeeeeg dice pool.

We need to roll 15 sux to hit the "Exalts do stuff, insane stuff happenss" DP seems to use, and currently, that is hard for us to achieve on a crafts roll even with all relevant charms active.
 
-So extraterrestrial life. None of which has been to Earth, or has any relevance to Earthside affairs afaik.
If astrology is a thing, than I am willing to bet that stars with sapient life orbiting them would be more mystically significant than those without, and identifying a large number of such stars could be used to improve astrological charts / predictions.
The use of a base 8 numbering system implies there's at least some intelligent life, but that doesnt mean that there's technological life, or carbon-oxygen life. An Avatar-style intelligent ecology like Pandora would be life. Space whales grazing on the currents of solar wind would be life. A society of energy life forms on the surface of a star would still be life.
Base 8 has nothing to do with alien civilizations. All alien civilizations references in the update were advanced sapient radiowave using technological civilizations. Because we asked "where are the aliens SETI is looking for?". And SETI is looking for advanced sapient radiowave using technological civilizations. The coordinates being in base 8 isn't due to those aliens doing the same. It's how our exaltation approaches space coordinates. My guess would be that Doylistically this is a reference to Stargate ancients, and Watsonianally it's likely because Autochton created math / space navigation, and did it in base 8 using his DIvine Ministers in place of fingers.
1)That does not follow. Dresdenverse craft isnt big on the use of human remains.
Neither is Exalted actually; ghosts and souls sure, but human ashes no.
Dunno WoD well enough to speak definitively.

Regardless of which, Karrin certainly isnt going to be thrilled to be wearing her father's corpse.
Nor will her family be enthused that someone desecrated the grave and made off with the body.
Not exactly Balenciaga.


2)Captain Jack Murphy allegedly committed suicide. Whether that was suicide or "suicide" has never been addressed in the story.
Nevertheless, as of Ghost Story his soul was explicitly working for Uriel's shop in some sort of covert ops halfway house for the dead who werent ready to pass on to the afterlife proper. Dresden met him.

He's not in Lydia's jurisdiction. His ghost isnt floating around to be summoned.
Which is why I completely dismissed using him in what I wrote. Dresden Files magic is big on mystic links, and human remains are a strong mystic link to the human in question. There's weight to human remains - see sacred bones we saved in this quest.
3)Until we have Exalted Crafting or Enchantment?
We actually cant make any armor for Murphy thats better than her standard kevlar vest for day to day work.
This I completely disagree with. We got Ebon scales at below 10 successes. With prep, cyberdevils and Lydia helping we can get 15+ successes. Which is the point where other celestial exalted start thinking that we just flexing and this is overkill. So, yes, we certainly can do better than a standard kevlar vest.
 
[X] [Warehouse] Buy
[X] [Name] Green Sun Industries
[x] [Greene] Go to his house to use the Crown on the murder scene and talk to his wife
 
At the current stage, the biggest obstacle is that to craft superior stuff without magic, we need beeeeeg dice pool.

We need to roll 15 sux to hit the "Exalts do stuff, insane stuff happenss" DP seems to use, and currently, that is hard for us to achieve on a crafts roll even with all relevant charms active.
Let's see. If we are rolling Dexterity + Craft then, going all out
(Dex 4 + Craft 3) * 2 (Excellency) + 4 Dex (Shintai) + 2 WHWH + 2 stunt= 22 dice. Possibly we can include Lydia in crafting, then it's 22 + 8 Lydia (3 Dexterity+ 5 Excellency) =30 dice
At difficulty:
Starting difficulty <=9 - 1 BSM - 3 CCC = <= 5. Possible other ways to decrease difficulty:
Involving Cyberdevils at the design stage, looking up stuff like doped nanotubes, different weave types, etc. I'll assume that it's -1 difficulty.
Taking measurements of Murphy before making armor, so it's customized to her. That's -1 difficulty, I would assume.
If we go with using someone's willingly given remains, there's a precedent of ghosts decreasing difficulty by 1 (see the submarine making).
Using perception charm to decrease overall craft difficulty (by improving quality control) is also arguable.
There's also a possible argument that armor is environmental protection and thus triggers TLF.

Overall, we are likely rolling at difficulty 3. This is a key ability, so 1s don't decrease successes. Overall, we could plausibly roll 20+ successes, if we go all out. Possibly 25+. That's a threshold where we start godforging, if I understand correctly.

If we are rolling Int + Craft, the situation is worse, but not dramatically so.
(Int 4 + Craft 3) * 2 (Excellency) + 2 WHWH + 2 stunt= 18 dice. Possibly we can include Lydia in crafting, then it's 18 + 9 Lydia (4 Intelligence + 5 excellency) =27 dice
 
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At the current stage, the biggest obstacle is that to craft superior stuff without magic, we need beeeeeg dice pool.

We need to roll 15 sux to hit the "Exalts do stuff, insane stuff happenss" DP seems to use, and currently, that is hard for us to achieve on a crafts roll even with all relevant charms active.
If we bought up our Craft to 5, we could roll up to 22 dice at -4 to the DC, while working specifically within our Mechanics specialty and able to level the full weight of our charms at the problem. That should be able to hit 15+ successes semi-regularly for qualifying projects. Even our current 18 dice should turn out an average of… wait, forgot to factor in key ability… 18 successes on average given stunting, WHWH, and max difficulty reducers for a base DC6 project for anything that qualifies as Craft: Mechanics.

… Okay, I didn't expect it to be that high before I did the math, but guys, we could make the Batmobile. Or, well, large-scale structures count under our specialty, too, but those are harder to apply CCC to, which is most of our cheese on the subject. Unless we're building something like a protective fortress located in a place of desolation that triggers TLF… while cold enough to trigger WHWH… and then we're right back to averaging 18 successes on the roll.

So, who's up to forting up the Dragon's Nest to the gills come winter?
 
If we bought up our Craft to 5, we could roll up to 22 dice at -4 to the DC, while working specifically within our Mechanics specialty and able to level the full weight of our charms at the problem. That should be able to hit 15+ successes semi-regularly for qualifying projects. Even our current 18 dice should turn out an average of… wait, forgot to factor in key ability… 18 successes on average given stunting, WHWH, and max difficulty reducers for a base DC6 project for anything that qualifies as Craft: Mechanics.

… Okay, I didn't expect it to be that high before I did the math, but guys, we could make the Batmobile. Or, well, large-scale structures count under our specialty, too, but those are harder to apply CCC to, which is most of our cheese on the subject. Unless we're building something like a protective fortress located in a place of desolation that triggers TLF… while cold enough to trigger WHWH… and then we're right back to averaging 18 successes on the roll.

So, who's up to forting up the Dragon's Nest to the gills come winter?
And that's assuming we are rolling Int + Craft, and not Dex + Craft. in which case it's +4 dice from shintai. And that we can't do colaborative craft projects like we did collaborative magical rituals, in which case Lydia adds even more dice. And we are at the threshold of 30+ successes.

And I am not even adding 2 dot alchemical potion that gives +2 dice for a given ability. Which, if collaborative projects are a thing, gives us +4 dice (2 for us and 2 for Lydia).

Yes, we certainly can make batmobile. In principle, we could probably make something that batmobile dreams of being. Upgrading Black Rider is certainly on the agenda for me, just not for now. Though for it we would probably also want high technology dicepool.
 
Do we even know what kind of relationship Greene had with his wife? Dude was an asshole. What are the chances he didn't treat his wife all that well? She might be happy he's gone, or possibly even involved in his death somehow.

Or I could be forgetting something in canon that completely contradicts this. That's how my memory rolls.
 
Doubt that very much.
Sids dont wield the sort of power that angels do, let alone the White God.
Siddies don't have the kind of power the White God suppossedly wields.

Pretending to have that kind of power while using a lot of subtle fate-manipulation and the occasional burst of high-end Sorcery or conceptual MAs could be in character for a very old and strong Siddie.

I still don't really believe it, because angels and fallen alike would have to be weaker than they appear to be, but I can't fully rule it out either.
 
That's a lot of dice.

Using Shintai on crafting projects is kind of painful tho. Remember that price of Shintai increases every time we use it.
 
And that's assuming we are rolling Int + Craft, and not Dex + Craft. in which case it's +4 dice from shintai. And that we can't do colaborative craft projects like we did collaborative magical rituals, in which case Lydia adds even more dice. And we are at the threshold of 30+ successes.

And I am not even adding 2 dot alchemical potion that gives +2 dice for a given ability. Which, if collaborative projects are a thing, gives us +4 dice (2 for us and 2 for Lydia).

Yes, we certainly can make batmobile. In principle, we could probably make something that batmobile dreams of being. Upgrading Black Rider is certainly on the agenda for me, just not for now. Though for it we would probably also want high technology dicepool.
IIRC, Craft generally uses the lower of Dexterity and Intelligence for the matching Attribute, so Shintai cheese is unfortunately no-go. However, if we're looking far enough into the future, we can use not only Alchemy boosts, but Fortune based blessings for even more cheese. And the biggest boost is if we CMA Mo Kung into Qiao of the Devil and get it to 3 dots, at which point we can hard-set all of our Attributes to 10 for the scene, even though that doesn't affect how much boost we get from Excellencies. That along with the potion you mentioned and buying Craft 5 can get us up to 30 dice on our own, without collaboration.

And Lydia isn't really Craft-specced, so she might be more limited in helping with this than you think. Actually, she doesn't even have dots in Craft. So that's limited utility, but also I don't think we will really need more than 30 successes on a crafting project, so that's fine.
 
Oh, agreed. But both USA government (and UN assembly in general, representing huamnity as a whole) and Winter are not stupid, and would know that in an all-out conflict there will be no winners. The point is that the conflict wouldn't be "Winter wipes out all human resistance while suffering no casualties, Mab installs Winter Knight as the Emperor of USA". It would be "everyone loses". Mundane humanity fully aware of supernatural is a peer opponent (or at least peer-ish), not cattle. It needs to be worked around, bargained and compromised with, or everyone loses. This means that masquerade as it stands now is primarily for the benefit of supernatural factions.
The UN is irrelevant. If we're going to keep having these versus discussions then it's worth being context aware. The UN can't do shit to defend anyone, and humanity is broken up into different blocs that will not cooperate readily.

As to the stuff on the black court, recall that the vampires are basically the strongest factions without their own nevernever territories and that their own versions of nukes -Drakul and his immediate associates- didn't give a shit about the rest of the court.

Drowning lone black court fledglings in bodies is one thing, but taking an organized force is another.

Any large organized nevernever power has an immediate advantage that can't be overcome without supernatural assistance. Even when that's available assaulting the place involves attacking people where they have a say in the laws of physics and you don't. Little raids are one thing, but good luck taking an armored column or nuke to Arctis Tor.

My bet is that different nations would respond wildly differently, and that would be the undoing of any serious or cooperative defense. Any nation that could put up annoying resistance would get its own deal , and the ones that couldn't would get bad ones or none at all, then be exploited even more extremely to make up for the loss.

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If astrology is a thing, than I am willing to bet that stars with sapient life orbiting them would be more mystically significant than those without, and identifying a large number of such stars could be used to improve astrological charts / predictions.
1)Astrology is not a thing in the Dresdenverse.
While it was a thing in Ex2 for Sidereals, its not a thing in ExWoD either iirc.

2)There is no magic in the Dresdenverse, Exalted sorcery or WoD I am aware of that uses stars as a referent.

Base 8 has nothing to do with alien civilizations. All alien civilizations references in the update were advanced sapient radiowave using technological civilizations. Because we asked "where are the aliens SETI is looking for?". And SETI is looking for advanced sapient radiowave using technological civilizations. The coordinates being in base 8 isn't due to those aliens doing the same. It's how our exaltation approaches space coordinates. My guess would be that Doylistically this is a reference to Stargate ancients, and Watsonianally it's likely because Autochton created math / space navigation, and did it in base 8 using his DIvine Ministers in place of fingers.
1)Base 8 suggests they can count. That implies sapience.

2)Literally right there in the update
"No way," you gasp. "There is no way there are than many advanced..." Then you stop and laugh, very glad no one is here to hear this one. SETI is looking for aliens and all those are coordinates where alien life can be found... by you. You now know where a lot of alien life is, but you have no way of knowing how much of that is life that can be detected, or recognized if it is detected by Earth sensors.
Nothing about their being technological or using radiowaves.
In fact, Molly explicitly says she doesnt know which of them are life that can be detected by anyone other than her.

3)Autobot did not count in base 8 that Im aware of, nor is it ever implied to be a number of significance to him.
I have no idea where and how you are bringing him into this.

Which is why I completely dismissed using him in what I wrote. Dresden Files magic is big on mystic links, and human remains are a strong mystic link to the human in question. There's weight to human remains - see sacred bones we saved in this que
Dresdenverse necromancy is big on mortal remains as an arcane link.
Dresdenverse crafting is not.

This I completely disagree with. We got Ebon scales at below 10 successes. With prep, cyberdevils and Lydia helping we can get 15+ successes. Which is the point where other celestial exalted start thinking that we just flexing and this is overkill. So, yes, we certainly can do better than a standard kevlar vest.
Uh, no.
Ebon Scales, as an example of Legendary mundane crafting, gives Armor 1. Same as any other example of that class of armor.
It gives additional benefits to Intimidation. But it isnt better armor for its class.

Thats in the realm of magic.
Do we even know what kind of relationship Greene had with his wife? Dude was an asshole. What are the chances he didn't treat his wife all that well? She might be happy he's gone, or possibly even involved in his death somehow.
Or I could be forgetting something in canon that completely contradicts this. That's how my memory rolls.
He was an asshole to Dresden in this quest, and to Molly in canon. There's no indication he was an ass in general.
In canon he was a pretty well respected homicide lieutenant.
 
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IIRC, Craft generally uses the lower of Dexterity and Intelligence for the matching Attribute, so Shintai cheese is unfortunately no-go.
Stacking dice really isn't cheese. Using rare resources to craft better is like, the definition of okay.

Cheese is, uhm. Theoretically legal silly shit to achieve unintended mechanical effects. Like, IDK, technically you could use SRP on SRP to achieve infinite sux loop. That's cheese.
 
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Do we even know what kind of relationship Greene had with his wife? Dude was an asshole. What are the chances he didn't treat his wife all that well? She might be happy he's gone, or possibly even involved in his death somehow.

Or I could be forgetting something in canon that completely contradicts this. That's how my memory rolls.
Which is why I am rolling out perception improvement charm and am not specifying what we tell her at all. If Molly observes that the widow is not all that broken up about her husband's death, I trust we could BS our way out of the situation.
That's a lot of dice.

Using Shintai on crafting projects is kind of painful tho. Remember that price of Shintai increases every time we use it.
True, but that's for the story (which, I think, was clarified to the arc of the quest), and there are charms to mitigate this. We could arrange for the crafting to be the last action in the month-long plan, and use shintai then.
IIRC, Craft generally uses the lower of Dexterity and Intelligence for the matching Attribute, so Shintai cheese is unfortunately no-go. However, if we're looking far enough into the future, we can use not only Alchemy boosts, but Fortune based blessings for even more cheese. And the biggest boost is if we CMA Mo Kung into Qiao of the Devil and get it to 3 dots, at which point we can hard-set all of our Attributes to 10 for the scene, even though that doesn't affect how much boost we get from Excellencies. That along with the potion you mentioned and buying Craft 5 can get us up to 30 dice on our own, without collaboration.

And Lydia isn't really Craft-specced, so she might be more limited in helping with this than you think. Actually, she doesn't even have dots in Craft. So that's limited utility, but also I don't think we will really need more than 30 successes on a crafting project, so that's fine.
Even without using shintai (is it lowest of the stats at base, or after all bonuses?), we can still have a lot of dice. And at 30 successes we would be very much into "this might not be out of place in the Age of Legends" territory in regards to quality.
1)Base 8 suggests they can count. That implies sapience.
3)Autobot did not count in base 8 that Im aware of, nor is it ever implied to be a number of significance to him.
I have no idea where and how you are bringing him into this.
Again, base 8 is how our exaltation feeds us spatial coordinates of the star systems / planets with intelligent life. It has nothing to do with the life itself. it's a feature of the exaltation, not observed effect. Here is the direct quote:
Thus you see them, one, two three, ten, a thousand, tens of thousands, coordinates in a base eight system you have never seen before and yet which feels oddly intuitive.
Base eight is how our exaltation processes space coordinates. It's got nothing to do with aliens themselves, and everything to do with our exaltation's firmware. Meaning that either Autochton programmed it to operate in base 8 when first making it, or Yozi did, when remaking it into the Infernal one. I find it more plausible that base 8 is how Autochton programmed it, as I see not reason for Yozi to remake that part.
Nothing about their being technological or using radiowaves.
In fact, Molly explicitly says she doesnt know which of them are life that can be detected by anyone other than her.
You are misreading this. The life we were looking for was intelligent life. Not all intelligent life can be detected by SETI because said life can be far away, and the signals can be hard to discern from natural ones or to detect at all. We (as in, real life humans) are advanced sapient radio wave using technological civilization. We can't be detected as such outside the radius of 200 light years at most (realistically 100 light years or even less), because the signals from Earth only propagate at light speed.
Dresdenverse necromancy is big on mortal remains as an arcane link.
Dresdenverse crafting is not.
Well, for one that's just not true. Let's see some typical potion recipes from Dresdenverse:
In Storm Front, Dresden makes an escape potion and a love potion under Bob's instruction. The escape potion was made in a base of eight ounces of Jolt cola, a drop of motor oil, for the smell of it, and shavings of a bird's feather for tactile value. Three ounces of chocolate-covered espresso beans, ground into powder, went in next (taste). A flickering shadow stored in a clean white cloth (sight), mouse scampers kept in a glass jar for sound, a shredded unused bus ticket for the mind, and a small broken chain, for the heart.[4]

The love potion was made in a base of tequila. Three ounces of dark chocolate was added for taste, and a drop of perfume for smell. An ounce of shredded lace (touch), the last sigh at the bottom of the glass jar (hearing) and some candlelight (sight) made the mix take on a rosy golden glow. The ashes of a passionate love letter were added for heart and a fifty dollar bill completed the recipe for the mind. Although a teaspoon of crushed diamond would also do..[4]
The arcane link connections are pretty clear.

In quest we observed that ghosts can decrease how hard it is to make something (that happened when we made the submarine).
Uh, no.
Ebon Scales, as an example of Legendary mundane crafting, gives Armor 1. Same as any other example of th
It gives additional benefits to Intimidation. But it isnt better armor

Thats in the realm of magic.
Purely mechanistically, perhaps not. However whatever bonuses an armor made with 20+ successes in making protective equipment would give Murphy are likely to be relevant to protecting her. Like, at 20+ successes I expect us to make something that she can wear as a shirt that would weigh nothing and might give dexterity bonuses or something.
 
Siddies don't have the kind of power the White God suppossedly wields.
Pretending to have that kind of power while using a lot of subtle fate-manipulation and the occasional burst of high-end Sorcery or conceptual MAs could be in character for a very old and strong Siddie.

I still don't really believe it, because angels and fallen alike would have to be weaker than they appear to be, but I can't fully rule it out either.
Nah.
From The Warrior:
Uriel talks to Dresden said:
"And you want an explanation of some kind?" asked a man seated in the pew beside me.
I just about jumped out of my skin.
He was an older man. He had dark skin and silver-white hair, and he wore a workman's blue jumpsuit, like you often see on janitors. The name tag read JAKE.
"You," I breathed. "You're the archangel. You're Uriel."
He shrugged. The gesture carried acknowledgment, somehow.
"What are you doing here?" I asked—maybe a bit blearily. I was concussed and half the flask was gone.
"Perhaps I'm a hallucination brought on by head trauma and alcohol," he said.
"Oh," I said. I peered at him, and then offered him the flask. "Want a belt?"
"Very kind," he said, and took a swig from the flask. He passed it back to me. "I don't exactly make it a habit to do this, but if you've got questions, ask them."
"Okay," I said. "Why did you guys let Michael get so screwed up?"
"We didn't let him do anything," Jake replied calmly. "He chose to hazard himself in battle against the enemy. The enemy chose to shoot him, and where to point the gun and when to pull the trigger. He survived the experience."
"So in other words, God was doing nothing to help."
Jake smiled. "Wouldn't say that. But you got to understand, son. God isn't about making good things happen to you, or bad things happen to you. He's all about you making choices—exercising the gift of free will. God wants you to have good things and a good life, but He won't gift wrap them for you. You have to choose the actions that lead you to that life."
"Free will, huh?"
"Yes. For example, your free will on that island."
I eyed him and sipped more Scotch.
"You saw the Valkyrie staring at Michael. You thought he was in danger. So even though it was your turn, you sent him up to the helicopter in your place."
"No good deed goes unpunished," I said, with one too many sh sounds. "That's where he got hurt."
Jake shrugged. "But if you hadn't, you'd have died in that harness, and he'd have died on that island."
I scowled. "What?"
Jake waved a hand. "I won't bore you with details, but suffice to say that your choice in that moment changed everything."

"But you lost a Knight," I said. "A warrior."
Jake smiled. "Did we?"
"He can barely walk without that cane. Sure, he handled Douglas, but that's a far cry from dealing with a Denarian."
"Ah," Jake said, "you mean warrior in the literal sense."
"What other kind of warrior is there?" I asked.
"The important kind."
I frowned again.
"Harry," Jake said, sighing. "The conflict between light and darkness rages on so many levels that you literally could not understand it all. Not yet, anyway. Sometimes that battlefield is a literal one. Sometimes it's a great deal more nebulous and metaphorical."
"But Michael and I are literal guys," I said.
Jake actually laughed. "Yeah? Do you think we angled to have you brought into this situation because we needed you to beat someone up?"
"Well. Generally speaking. Yeah." I gestured with the flask. "Pretty much all we did was beat up this guy who had good intentions and who was desperate to do something to help."
Jake shook his head. "The real war happened when you weren't looking."
"Huh?"
"Courtney," Jake said. "The little girl who almost got hit by a car."
"What about her?" I asked.
"You saved her life," he said. "Moreover, you noted the bruise on her cheek—one she acquired from her abusive father. Your presence heightened her mother's response to the realization that her daughter was being abused. She moved out the next morning." He spread his hands. "In that moment, you saved the child's life, prevented her mother from alcohol addiction in response to the loss, and shattered a generational cycle of abuse more than three hundred years old."
"I ... um."
"Chuck the electrician," Jake continued. "He was drunk because he'd been fighting with his wife. Two months from now, their four-year-old daughter is going to be diagnosed with cancer and require a marrow transplant. Her father is the only viable donor. You saved his life with what you did—and his daughter's life, too. And the struggle that family is going to face together is going to leave them stronger and happier than they've ever been."
I grunted. "That smells an awful lot like predestination to me. What if those people choose something different?"
"It's a complex issue," Jake admitted. "But think of the course of the future as, oh, flowing water. If you know the lay of the land, you can make a good guess where it's going. Now, someone can always come along and dig a ditch and change that flow of water—but honestly, you'd be shocked how seldom people truly choose to exercise their will within their lives."
I grunted. "What about second baseperson Kelly? I saved her life, too?"
"No. But you made a young woman feel better in a moment where she felt as though she didn't have anyone she could talk to. Just a few kind words. But it's going to make her think about the difference those words made. She's got a good chance of winding up as a counselor to her fellow man. The five minutes of kindness you showed her is going to help thousands of others." He spread his hands. "And that only takes into account the past day. Despair and pain were averted, loss and tragedy thwarted. Do you think you haven't struck a blow for the light, Warrior?"
"Um . . ."
"And last but not least, let's not forget Michael," he said. "He's a good man, but where his children are involved, he can be completely irrational. He was a hairbreadth from losing control when he stood over Douglas on the beach. Your words, your presence, your will helped him to choose mercy over vengeance."

I just stared at him for a moment. "But . . . I didn't actually mean to do any of that."
He smiled. "But you chose the actions that led to it. No one forced you to do it. And to those people, what you did saved them from danger as real as any creature of the night." He turned to look down at the church below and pursed his lips. "People have far more power than they realize, if they would only choose to use it. Michael might not be cutting demons with a sword anymore, Harry. But don't think for a second that he isn't still fighting the good fight. It's just harder for you to see the results from down here."
I swigged more Scotch, thinking about that.
"He's happier now," I said. "His family, too."
"Funny how making good choices leads to that."
"What about Father Douglas?" I asked. "What's going to happen?"
"For the most part," Jake said, "that will be up to him. Hopefully, he'll choose to accept his errors and change his life for the better."
I nodded slowly. Then I said, "Let's talk about my bill."
Jake's eyebrows shot up. "What?"
"My bill," I said, enunciating. "You dragged me into this mess. You can pay me, same as any other client. Where do I send the invoice?"
"You're . . . you're trying to bill the Lord God Almighty?" Jake said, as if he couldn't quite believe it.
"Hel—uh, heck no," I said. "I'm billing you."
"That isn't really how we work."
"It is if you want to work with me," I told him, thrusting out my jaw. "Cough up. Otherwise, maybe next time I'll just stand around whistling when you want me to help you out."
Jake's face broadened into a wide, merry grin, and laughter filled his voice. "No, you won't," he said, and vanished.
I scowled ferociously at the empty space where he'd been a moment before. "Cheapskate," I muttered.
But I was pretty sure he was right.
Sidereals were good at largescale social engineering, or individual picked targets.
But this level of precision fuckery against multiple moving targets is far and away beyond anything we saw high Essence Sids were even vaguely capable of approaching in Exalted 2E. And thats just angels maneuvering.

And thats not even counting the multiple declarations of brute force feats like "an angel fight could collateral the planet" and "archangels can lolnuke galaxies" that we've seen Butcher make.
 
Stacking dice really isn't cheese. Using rare resources to craft better is like, the definition of okay.

Cheese is, uhm. Theoretically legal silly shit to achieve unintended mechanical effects. Like, IDK, technically you could use SRP on SRP to achieve infinite sux loop. That's cheese.
By some interpretations, simply being an Exalt in World of Darkness is cheese, because that system wasn't built to handle the stuff that an Exalted can do, and that's completely deliberate on the part of the crossover book. Heck, the Yozi would probably consider the existence of Exalted to be cheese on the part of their creators even back in the day when they were common.

I am not using cheese as a derogatory term here. Succeeding so hard that you break reality around you is part and parcel of playing an Exalt, especially a solaroid like us. If you're not cheating, you're doing it wrong, because "being Exalted" is the ultimate cheat code. That's the whole point.

… And I should stop rambling on the internet and go to sleep. Because I technically should have been asleep a couple hours ago. Good night.
 
I can't really look at the "White God is a sid" theory without doing an eyeroll, but for the purpose of the debate, I'll mention that Sid charms are purposefully capped at E5, aside from Sidereal Martial Arts. It is an explicit in-universe limitation.

Who the fuck knows what an actual unbound E6+ Siddie could do.
 
Again, base 8 is how our exaltation feeds us spatial coordinates of the star systems / planets with intelligent life. It has nothing to do with the life itself. it's a feature of the exaltation, not observed effect. Here is the direct quote:
Base eight is how our exaltation processes space coordinates. It's got nothing to do with aliens themselves, and everything to do with our exaltation's firmware. Meaning that either Autochton programmed it to operate in base 8 when first making it, or Yozi did, when remaking it into the Infernal one. I find it more plausible that base 8 is how Autochton programmed it, as I see not reason for Yozi to remake that part.
Assuming you are correct, that could just as easily have been Sol Invictus.
Because he was the one who empowered the Solaroid shards. Or memories of when they used to speak Old Realm.
I see no reason to assume this is an Autobot thing.
You are misreading this. The life we were looking for was intelligent life. Not all intelligent life can be detected by SETI because said life can be far away, and the signals can be hard to discern from natural ones or to detect at all. We (as in, real life humans) are advanced sapient radio wave using technological civilization. We can't be detected as such outside the radius of 200 light years at most (realistically 100 light years or even less), because the signals from Earth only propagate at light speed
No Im pretty sure Im reading it fine.
Im not interpreting this stuff. What Molly said is right there in black and white.
The QM repeats it OOC; I quote:
You got all the worlds where Molly could find aliens, the thing is it is within the ability of the Exalted to build a ship and just go there, either by breaking the speed of light or even just waiting it out.
The standard used was Exalted Molly, not SETI.
Not human technology.

Human tech cant even reliably detect a good chunk of living sapients on the planet.
Well, for one that's just not true. Let's see some typical potion recipes from Dresdenverse:
The arcane link connections are pretty clear.
In quest we observed that ghosts can decrease how hard it is to make something (that happened when we made the submarine)
Read your own quote again.
Do any of those recipes include human remains?
Bones? Flesh?

Also, thats alchemy. Consumables. It doesnt make stuff thats meant to last or be used more than once.

Human parts have three applications in Dresdenverse magic Im aware of:
Transformation/disguise magic
Tracking, scrying and targeting
Necromancy

I've never heard of them being used in crafting stuff.
I know that the Hexenwulfen belts were made with animal parts, specifically wolfskin, but even that was black magic.
Purely mechanistically, perhaps not. However whatever bonuses an armor made with 20+ successes in making protective equipment would give Murphy are likely to be relevant to protecting her. Like, at 20+ successes I expect us to make something that she can wear as a shirt that would weigh nothing and might give dexterity bonuses or something.
The only example we've seen are ancillary benefits that have no direct applicability to the original design function .
Ebon Scales bonus is it gives buffs to App + Intimidation rolls, not more armor or more protection against spells.
Dark Sun is a throwing weapon at need, it doesnt give free parries.

The shit you're talking about are straight up high level magical benefits of the sort we'd need 3+ dots of Enchantment to pull off.
Dex bonuses? As a side benefit?
I like free stuff too, but c'mon.
 
Sidereals were good at largescale social engineering, or individual picked targets.
But this level of precision fuckery against multiple moving targets is far and away beyond anything we saw high Essence Sids were even vaguely capable of approaching in Exalted 2E. And thats just angels maneuvering.

And thats not even counting the multiple declarations of brute force feats like "an angel fight could collateral the planet" and "archangels can lolnuke galaxies" that we've seen Butcher make.
One Siddie couldn't do all that at once, one Siddie with angelic help might.
And the brute force is never actually seen, so might not be real.

Again, I don't actually believe that the WG is an old Siddie playing Wizard of Oz, but I find it amusing that that might be the case in this setting and there's no definite prove that it's false.
 
The arcane link connections are pretty clear.

In quest we observed that ghosts can decrease how hard it is to make something (that happened when we made the submarine).
That isn't how that works precisely. A huge element of Dresden Files magic involves symbolic rituals that only hold meaning to the caster*. A significant amount of equipment that they (that is, young wizards and lesser talents) use isn't actually enchanted at all, it's "just" prepared in such a way that it has special meaning to the caster that helps them focus their intent and magic finely.

Theoretically you don't need any of it, but good luck trying something like enchanting water directly.

Unless the dead body in question has been soaking in something magical itself, or you specifically wanted to use it to target someone connected to it with some effect, my bet would be that it wouldn't really matter.

My track record on some of the canon details has been spottier than I'd like lately, but Dresden talks about this general topic pretty frequently so I'm reasonably confident I remember it correctly.

All bets are off when nonhumans/exalts come into play though. Something like Lydia animating it to make power armor is a whole different thing. But we could do that with animal bones for half the angst.

* Harry's coat and rings of force are examples of proper enchantments, his shield bracelet and blasting rod of foci. Both still require maintenance though.
 
Assuming you are correct, that could just as easily have been Sol Invictus.
Because he was the one who empowered the Solaroid shards. Or memories of when they used to speak Old Realm.
I see no reason to assume this is an Autobot thing.
Could have been, yes. The point is that base eight is the exaltation thing, not the aliens thing. If we ask for, I don't know "the oldest star in the universe" or "the biggest chunk of gold in the universe" or something along those lines, we'd also likely get coordinates in the same system.
Do any of those recipes include human remains?
Bones? Flesh?
I see ashes of a love letter. That's a pretty clear analogy.
Ebon Scales bonus is it gives buffs to App + Intimidation rolls, not more armor or more protection against spells.
That bonus would actually be applicable to armor, if only in avoiding the fight. And, again, that's 5-9 success range. I am fairly sure that 15+ success range (ie where we get into "yeah, this was made by a solaroid who was showing off" range), the bonuses would be greater.

We won't know until we try.
 
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