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Glory or Death: Chapter Master Quest [42k]

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Involving the Primaris stuff earlier...apparently the Dark Angels are using theirs as bullet sponges, and are refusing to tell most of them about the Fallen. The only one of the Primaris HQ's that can get Inner Circle is the Primaris Librarians.
 
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Cyrus 21 said:
Involving the Primaris stuff earlier...apparently the Dark Angels are using theirs as bullet sponges, and are refusing to tell most of them about the Fallen. The only one of the Primaris HQ's that can get Inner Circle is the Primaris Librarians.
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Smart men they are, the loyalty of the primaris to their chapter in oposition to Guiliman can not be confirmed and as such if they did pass the secrets to them there could be a leak about the fallen.
 
MasterDrakus said:
Smart men they are, the loyalty of the primaris to their chapter in oposition to Guiliman can not be confirmed and as such if they did pass the secrets to them there could be a leak about the fallen.
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Most of these Primaris were originally recruits of the original Dark Angels Legion during the Crusade, AKA back when the Lion was still around. I'm pretty sure if you asked most of them they'd say that their loyalty was to the Lion first.
 
...They're not all Ultras in different colors. I honestly don't understand the hate, and why everyone thinks they'll replace regular Marines.

Primaris are really limited in what they can be equiped with, and what they can do. Regular Marines are far more flexible, and can be kitted out to do a lot more than Primaris. The new guys might have shinier armor and bigger guns, but in my mind GW wouldn't be stupid enough to kill off all regular Marines and replace them with something that isn't flexible.

The Primaris are, in my mind, to fill in missing parts of your armies that you normally don't have stuff for, or for special tasks, like taking down heavy guys, or other jobs. For example, the Jump guys in Gravis Armor armed with plasma guns.
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I'm tired and sick, so I'm not sure how coherant I am right now. But, if I had the choice of putting a few small Primaris squads in my Space Wolves, I'd look over my playing style, and see what my army needs, before buying only the stuff I need.
 
Primaris are redundant and irritating in that they mean we won't get proper truescale marines.

The ones that aren't basic superbolter marines are just plain pointless or annoying in that they're obvious Scout and Terminator knockoffs.
 
Cyrus 21 said:
They're not all Ultras in different colors. I honestly don't understand the hate, and why everyone thinks they'll replace regular Marines.
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That would be more convincing if Gulliman didn't literally recruited them himself and used them to hijack the names of dead chapters.

I mean if Lamenters were to go extinct next thing you know there is this bunch of guys assigned by some other Primarch than Sanguinus that has never met them, doesn't know the first thing about them since they were trained by who knows who, has been recruited from Emperor knows where with questionable geneseed ties with Sanguinus that declares themselves Lamenters.

When I think of Primaris Marines I think Vultures that is waiting for chapters to die so they can take over.

If I was a Chapter Master I would probably refused the Marines assigned and only take Primaris stuff to examine it and apply only after a few decades research that shows it is what they said it was.

Edit: The whole thing reeks blatant power grab by Gulliman. I mean why take the dead chapter names? Why not a new Founding? Essentially this whole thing should have exploded in his face since he is essentially spitting in the face of the sacrifices that Extinct Chapters made just so Gullimans Primaris Marines could take advantage of the favors owned to Martyrs of the IoM.
 
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Alternatively, it's a mark of respect and honor, that their name shall never die and that an entire chapter of Astartes are founded to ensure that their memory never dies.
 
....I guess I'm just sick of Salt us all. I'm a fan of comics, even if I'm rather behind in my reading.

On SB, the Marvel thread tends to be NOTHING but salt, to the point that the actually good books are mostly ignored and all the focus is placed on how horrible Marvel Comics is. And well...

I just think the Primaris stuff looks cool, and I'd like to at least get some, paint them up, and use them with my Space Wolves. Does that make me a horrible 40K fan for wanting to try something new? For asking if I can try some of the new stuff Codex Marines get, only with the new units counting as Space Wolves proper?

Is it too much to ask that I just want to get some new models and actually have fun? Or is that not allowed in 40k anymore?
 
DonBosco said:
Alternatively, it's a mark of respect and honor, that their name shall never die and that an entire chapter of Astartes are founded to ensure that their memory never dies.
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Don't you mean Courage and Honor? Because new foundings will be Ultramarine successors thanks to Primaris being Girlymans pet project.

If someone was going to revive dead chapters that would have been done before this by the same chapters they have split from in the first place. It was never done before. Out of the respect.

No it is clearly Girlyman trying to get his pet Primaris the most legimacy that he can and he does not care whose name he has to steal and how many people he has to ruin for it. Because lets face it anybody whom tries to stop him will be declared renegade and their reputation will be ruined for being "more interested in their own power than IoMs good"


My denial is thus. A chapter is more than a collection of marines. It is blood, history and culture. Revived chapters will have none of that. It is a power grab as Roboot is trying to steal all the obligations, oats and good will accumuluted by these extinct chapters. Truthfully I wonder if that eldar witch added same koolaid that Eldrad drinks to Rowboat. That is some quality dickishness right there.
 
Guys, maybe we should just let the Primaris Marine thing lie? If someone likes that, that's their business. If they don't, it's the same.

Like Penny Arcade says: Let People Enjoy Things.
 
Cyrus 21 said:
I just think the Primaris stuff looks cool, and I'd like to at least get some, paint them up, and use them with my Space Wolves. Does that make me a horrible 40K fan for wanting to try something new? For asking if I can try some of the new stuff Codex Marines get, only with the new units counting as Space Wolves proper?
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What we are discussing is not the models, they are indeed fantastic, but the lore, you don't see anyone saying "Don't use them on your army!" You will only see people discussing and disagreeing with the way they were implemented on the lore.
 
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To divert attention from the current debate, here is a mildly heretical distraction.

 
Cyrus 21 said:
...They're not all Ultras in different colors. I honestly don't understand the hate, and why everyone thinks they'll replace regular Marines.

Primaris are really limited in what they can be equiped with, and what they can do. Regular Marines are far more flexible, and can be kitted out to do a lot more than Primaris. The new guys might have shinier armor and bigger guns, but in my mind GW wouldn't be stupid enough to kill off all regular Marines and replace them with something that isn't flexible.

The Primaris are, in my mind, to fill in missing parts of your armies that you normally don't have stuff for, or for special tasks, like taking down heavy guys, or other jobs. For example, the Jump guys in Gravis Armor armed with plasma guns.
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I'm tired and sick, so I'm not sure how coherant I am right now. But, if I had the choice of putting a few small Primaris squads in my Space Wolves, I'd look over my playing style, and see what my army needs, before buying only the stuff I need.
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I didnt care about them one way or another.

But Devastation of Baal clearly shows how their presence ruins some thematic depths of Chapters/Legion bloodlines. And where they are shoved in there they didnt need to be, when there were perfectly serviceable plotlines that didnt require them.

Ultimately they are clearly meant to be sold, and that's fair enough, GW is a company who wants profit. But it's also fair to say that their inclusion was unnecessary and does some clunky/awkward stuff to the themes of the Legions.
 
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