Well, an extended roll means you have time as the only real limitation, barring a botch. I agree with you, which is why I would consider setting the difficulty very high.
In the absence of a translation charm, I would flat-out require the party to look for a suitable scholar, for the reason ryuan states. (I would also be generous, and let them find one on a reasonable timescale.)
 
I don't see why not; Voice of the Night Bird gives them a style weapon that should be usable.
Heeeh. You can't teach a dog to speak because its body simply isn't made to produce the same sounds as a human; this is a very similar situation to tigers not being able to use Tiger Style because it was designed for a human body. Nightingale Style is based on singing, and dogs can't sing - not the way humans do, anyway.

You might be able to pull it off with a few animal species that can imitate the human voice well enough, but that'd be fairly restricted.
 
Heeeh. You can't teach a dog to speak because its body simply isn't made to produce the same sounds as a human; this is a very similar situation to tigers not being able to use Tiger Style because it was designed for a human body. Nightingale Style is based on singing, and dogs can't sing - not the way humans do, anyway.

You might be able to pull it off with a few animal species that can imitate the human voice well enough, but that'd be fairly restricted.
However, there's nothing stopping you from adapting it to fit for a Dog/Wolf/etc/etc. Just call it War Shattering Bark style.
 
In the absence of a translation charm, I would flat-out require the party to look for a suitable scholar, for the reason ryuan states. (I would also be generous, and let them find one on a reasonable timescale.)
All the suitable scholars are hanging by their feet from the roof of their village, where the demon left them.
Well, except their skulls.
We waded through their skulls. They were on the platform of the gate of auspicious passage we arrived through.
 
Can you summon a demon? There should be some kind of demon with lots of linguistic knowledge.
 
There is literally a spell for this, The Eye and The Mouth. It's Terrestrial, so finding a sorcerer who knows it will be hard but not impossible.
 
Also i need to ask you a question: you keep creating those totaly cool custom creatures/civilizations with custom powers for the third edition, can you please reveal to me your secrets? I am slowly inventing new charms for a splat i promised to convert to the third edition(The Discordians), but writing them down with the crunch has reveled to be more difficult than expected: any suggestion on how to do it?
The first thing I do is cheat as much as I possibly can. All my write-ups start out by taking a canon write-up that best approximates what I am trying to get in terms of power and specific abilities - I think the Blood Hunters are based on the War Ghost template, for instance - and then I tweak the dice pools and traits to get the exact stats I want, while trying to stay in roughly the same ballpark. I write Merits by plundering canon QCs and, again, tweaking to get them into the state I want, and I do the same for Charms. For instance, Red Moon's Harvest is a rip-off of Mists of Eventide.

So, for Discordians, you're trying to actually write a new Charmset. That's going to be a lot harder. With a bit more training in perfectionning my cheating technique I could probably put out some kind of 2e-style Abyssals based on the canon Solar set, but that would be fairly boring for the great amount of work required; writing a whole new Charmset though, I wouldn't dream of it at this stage.

My advice? Start small. Homebrew low-level Artifacts with a handful of Evocations, some spells, some original QCs, some independent Charms. Start small and then go bigger as you learn how to toy with the system. Also? Play the game. Actual play experience is invaluable in learning good design.

I unfortunately can't really offer much feedback, as I tend to be bad at judging the value of Ex3 homebrew without being able to see the rational for every teeny bit of content, due to lacking experience myself.

Furthermore i could need some help in writing a demon: who could invent a tar-dripping flightless starbeaked(By starbeaked i mean that the "face" will jut from a strange starshaped thing connected to the neck)(I could use a better word for it) flamingo, with the MIGHTY POWERS of........ being a modern doorbell plus a antitheft allarm?(Plus some other powers, like being selectively audible by the summoner)(I got randomly the idea after doing the groceries roughly two weeks ago, still don't know why i tought about it)
That sounds like an Adorjan thing. Demons distantly descended from her tend to have some manner of ties to sound and music, without specifically hewing to her love of silence. There isn't a particularly appropriate 2- or 3CD in canon who could have created them, though, so I would instead go to Makarios, the merchant of dreams. This weird flaming sounds like something he could possibly have created to guard storehouses, and they're the kind of freaking absurdist designs that one could have woven from dreams.
 
There is literally a spell for this, The Eye and The Mouth. It's Terrestrial, so finding a sorcerer who knows it will be hard but not impossible.
Our sorcerer doesn't know it, so that takes effort. On the other hand, it might give us more information on why there was a Second or Third Circle demon in a ruined factory-cathedral.

The Eye and The Mouth is how the pre-made characters for the original adventure translated it, though.
 
Our sorcerer doesn't know it, so that takes effort. On the other hand, it might give us more information on why there was a Second or Third Circle demon in a ruined factory-cathedral.

The Eye and The Mouth is how the pre-made characters for the original adventure translated it, though.
Presumably it was task bound to an area.
 
Heeeh. You can't teach a dog to speak because its body simply isn't made to produce the same sounds as a human; this is a very similar situation to tigers not being able to use Tiger Style because it was designed for a human body. Nightingale Style is based on singing, and dogs can't sing - not the way humans do, anyway.

You might be able to pull it off with a few animal species that can imitate the human voice well enough, but that'd be fairly restricted.
I'll note that the style is versatile enough that you can use it to kill people by rapping at them.

Any sound-based Performance action is permissible. Canines and whales sing as easily as birds.
 
Oh my fucking god.

See, this is what I'm talking about when I repeatedly complain about the general attitude of this thread - the kind of bullshit we get dragged into because people insist on assuming others are morons.

Aaron, take a step back. Consider how much I have written about and for Exalted, and consider your monumental wall of wasted text.

You are not teaching me anything. I know everything you say. The distinction between extras and not-extras? I do! I know how this fucking game works.
...

I was going to say something, but really, do I even have to?
 
If you don't have anything to say, why would you drag this conversation from the depths where it ended two pages ago?

What purpose does this serve? What are we going to gain by re-starting that bickering?

What's the point?
Dude, your complaint against aaron is exactly the complaint I made of you a few months back, except you had some bullshit excuse about why it was okay for you to be a jerk because the "community" was mean to you. And now you're complaining about the "community" as thought that somehow now supports your opposite position.

Making you doubly a hypocrite.

in short, please stop being the flucking Black Pot, and also please stop whining about the problems with the "community" whenever someone goes against you.
 
Oh my fucking god are we really doing this. Are you dragging posts back from days ago to bicker and insult me. Is this really a thing I should expect from taking part in conversations.

Fuck this. I'm out. I'll find some other place to share homebrew.
 
Oh my fucking god are we really doing this. Are you dragging posts back from days ago to bicker and insult me. Is this really a thing I should expect from taking part in conversations.

Fuck this. I'm out. I'll find some other place to share homebrew.
Insult you? o_O

You're the one who jumped all over me for pointing out that your post was rude back then. I never said anything against you - my post was clear that it came across as offensive but I didn't want to fight you. Then you started attacking me, because apparently, even taking your words as offensive is somehow an affront to you.

Now you do the very thing you jumped on me for before, and when I point this out, your response is to scream and throw a tantrum.

Grow up, man.
 
Insult you? o_O

You're the one who jumped all over me for pointing out that your post was rude back then. I never said anything against you - my post was clear that it came across as offensive but I didn't want to fight you. Then you started attacking me, because apparently, even taking your words as offensive is somehow an affront to you.

Now you do the very thing you jumped on me for before, and when I point this out, your response is to scream and throw a tantrum.

Grow up, man.
While I'm don't think the reaction is entirely justified, implying that this:
...

I was going to say something, but really, do I even have to?
isn't insulting or designed to get a rise out of someone is pretty dishonest. It's a very good example of how to be passive aggressive.
 
While I'm don't think the reaction is entirely justified, implying that this:

isn't insulting or designed to get a rise out of someone is pretty dishonest. It's a very good example of how to be passive aggressive.
I was trying to let him save face by not dragging the whole thing up. It was a quiet reminder that he'd done exactly what he was yelling at Aaron for doing, to me, and then claimed he was not in the wrong for doing it.

Apparently, he can never let anything lie, because he jumped all over me that time too, even though I was trying quite hard to not pick a fight that first time.
 
I was trying to let him save face by not dragging the whole thing up. It was a quiet reminder that he'd done exactly what he was yelling at Aaron for doing, to me, and then claimed he was not in the wrong for doing it.

Apparently, he can never let anything lie, because he jumped all over me that time too, even though I was trying quite hard to not pick a fight that first time.
And in your desire to not be insulting, you implied that what was said was so bad that its horribleness is self evident. Clearly there is no way to take that as an insult.

Again, I don't think his reaction was justified (or his initial post). Just, your insistence that it is all on him and you weren't insulting him at all isn't true.
 
And in your desire to not be insulting, you implied that what was said was so bad that its horribleness is self evident. Clearly there is no way to take that as an insult.

Again, I don't think his reaction was justified (or his initial post). Just, your insistence that it is all on him and you weren't insulting him at all isn't true.
Okay, fair enough, I apologize for my tone.

I don't think I insisted i never insulted him - he told me by PM that he consider's hypocrite an insult, and fine - that's fair. I apologize for that too. I just think he's been *much* more adversarial than I have been, which makes his complaint that i have been insulting seem, well, comical.

Again, the time when he gave me a very condescending, "assuming you have no knowledge" reply, I pointed out that it was very implicitly insulting, but tried to avoid a fight. He was the one who chose to go aggressive over it.

Personally, when I want to do that I just use Golden Silence Prana (otherwise known as Orichalcum Not-Posting Technique).

When someone gets in your face and rants at the community at large and makes like he is the offended party when you point out he's said something offensive to you - and then goes and rants at the community again when someone makes that same offense against him -

Look, someone has to point out the inconsistency there. It's not fair to aaron or to people in the thread at large to let omicron use "everyone in the community is a jerk to me" as a shutdown tactic whenever someone goes against him.

I choose a poor way of doing so, and I'm apologizing for it. Silence was not, however, the right answer.
 
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I'm terrible at staying out of conversations. Then again when other people keep discussing me it's kinda hard.
Look, someone has to point out the inconsistency there. It's not fair to aaron or to people in the thread at large to let omicron use "everyone in the community is a jerk to me" as a shutdown tactic whenever someone goes against him.
Not everyone in this community is a jerk to me! There are a lot of cool people in this thread, otherwise I obviously wouldn't be posting in it.

I think this thread as a specific attitude to it - a tendency to assume people on the other side of the "fence" are idiots - that breeds condescension and conflict. I can tell, because not only do I face much more scorn than I do elsewhere, I am also myself more scornful than elsewhere. It goes both ways, and I don't like being a jerk just like I don't like people being a jerk to me. That's why I said:
this is what I'm talking about when I repeatedly complain about the general attitude of this thread - the kind of bullshit we get dragged into because people insist on assuming others are morons.
and not "everybody here is an asshole." Because not everybody is! But there's a climate that's unpleasant to me, and while I do contribute to it, I don't blame myself so much as I blame circumstances and other people's attitudes, because I don't get like this elsewhere. When you talk to people like idiots, they will generally react by either going away or snapping right back at you, and I didn't go away. And as I told you, I don't quite think the incident you refer to and Aaron's post were similar. But maybe you're right! Maybe I'm a complete hypocrite who is condescending and insulting to everyone just like I accuse other people of being!

In which case I guess it's another reason to be out of this place.
 
Well, I would suggest learning to take things less personally, or learning to stake a step back and a deep breath before getting angry, but sure, leaving works as a solu-

o/~ Welcome to the Hotel California...

You'll be back. I know. I tried to leave. Oh, Mods, I trie UN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE S
 
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