- Location
- Earth
[X] Meet her at the shopping district.
- [X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
- [X] Try talking to her first.
- [X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
- [X] Try talking to her first.
Flandre's Quest (Touhou) World - (Madness Quest)
- Thread starter Entropy Judge
- Start date
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Ciel isn't immortal post-Tsukihime, which this is. She's also way less of a threat then Servants are without the immortality, unless the Church has let her access the really good toys. We should be fine.
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
Never got into Tsukihime but doesn't that depend on which end it had?
Especially if Bad Ends are on the table.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
She carries around the 7th Holy Scripture by default. That thing is already one of the really good toys.
Yeah, in all of the Far Side routes, Roa never even really shows up. He's busy being suppressed by SHIKI's inversion impulse. Thus if we're working from a Far Side sequel angle, Ciel is definitely still ultra super immortal.
Notably, her hatred of vampires is not absolute. Mostly she just wants to do her job and REALLY wants to kill Roa. We can befriend her.
It's just a matter of how much curry we're willing to buy for her.
(Also, she likes costumes too, so clearly she'll get along with Caster... and Deis.)
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Presumably we would be following the actual canon ending. Even if not, Ciel is only barely a servant level combatant when immortal. We fight at Herc levels.
- Location
- Thailand
I agree with you that she can't hope to defeat Flan in a fight head on but lets not underestimated her, ok? that toy that she has with her are design specifically to kill a vampire like Flan.
It would best to play safe. Regardless of each route and whether she got her immortality or not, Ciel even when she had lost her immortality is till capable of fighting a servant in battle. Fate/Complete Material 3 states members of the Burial Agency are able to fight Servants even with a human body. I presume however this is conditional based. Barring Narbareck and Merem Solomon, others members of the Burial Agency must be sufficient well prepare if they intend to take on a servant and win. If Ciel end up fighting Herc, I would say she could not win against him but she most likely could hold her own for a while. If not, at the bare minimum, she could likely retreat and survive a fight against Herc.
If Ciel is aware that this is a holy grail war and enter Fuyuki with that knowledge, she is most likely at the bare minimum arm to fight as a general all rounder, not specialized against anythings. She could possible take on any servant in the current grail war in physical combat, If this is the case, asking Caster and Deis to help would be better. Unless Ciel is arm to fight a Caster-class servant at their full power, she is easily squash like a bug under Caster magecraft and Deis magic at full power. Flan could also put up a decent fight as well on the first battle but this is only conditional to "first meeting and then battle" base. Second time onward, Ciel most likely had bring in her anti vampire set up and Flan will be likely be kill for any fight they had against each others.
If Ciel set up is anti vampire and arm to take down Dead Apostle Ancestors class opponent, she will likely kill Flan regardless whether how Flan engage her. Ciel is well season enough to know if Flan try to pop her eye, she could tell it a fatal move and will prevent it from happening. If Flan take the air, she will fire her 7th Holy Scripture at Flan which is a scriptural canon and pile bunker. If one hit, Flan even with Loki on, will receive major damage.
If Ciel got the black barrel as well, Flan is toast the moments she was hit by that. The black barrel is an anti immortal conceptual weapon design to force the notion of a mortal lifespan into an immortal being. Alien being from others worlds(including others universe/realities) are also not safe from this gun. Type Venus from Note was put to sleep by the black barrel even it did not kill it. Putting what amount to a god on a planetary scale to sleep show how powerful that gun is. Servant are also not safe from this gun, the moment they are hit, major damage at the bare minimum. Saber magic resistance would not save her since this is a physical imbue spell effect rather than a spell casting effect.
And this is my vote.
[X] Meet her at the shopping district.
- [X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
- [X] Try talking to her first.
If Ciel is aware that this is a holy grail war and enter Fuyuki with that knowledge, she is most likely at the bare minimum arm to fight as a general all rounder, not specialized against anythings. She could possible take on any servant in the current grail war in physical combat, If this is the case, asking Caster and Deis to help would be better. Unless Ciel is arm to fight a Caster-class servant at their full power, she is easily squash like a bug under Caster magecraft and Deis magic at full power. Flan could also put up a decent fight as well on the first battle but this is only conditional to "first meeting and then battle" base. Second time onward, Ciel most likely had bring in her anti vampire set up and Flan will be likely be kill for any fight they had against each others.
If Ciel set up is anti vampire and arm to take down Dead Apostle Ancestors class opponent, she will likely kill Flan regardless whether how Flan engage her. Ciel is well season enough to know if Flan try to pop her eye, she could tell it a fatal move and will prevent it from happening. If Flan take the air, she will fire her 7th Holy Scripture at Flan which is a scriptural canon and pile bunker. If one hit, Flan even with Loki on, will receive major damage.
If Ciel got the black barrel as well, Flan is toast the moments she was hit by that. The black barrel is an anti immortal conceptual weapon design to force the notion of a mortal lifespan into an immortal being. Alien being from others worlds(including others universe/realities) are also not safe from this gun. Type Venus from Note was put to sleep by the black barrel even it did not kill it. Putting what amount to a god on a planetary scale to sleep show how powerful that gun is. Servant are also not safe from this gun, the moment they are hit, major damage at the bare minimum. Saber magic resistance would not save her since this is a physical imbue spell effect rather than a spell casting effect.
And this is my vote.
[X] Meet her at the shopping district.
- [X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
- [X] Try talking to her first.
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I would never suggest inderestimating anyone. She has anti vampire weaponry. Im just tamping down a bit on excessive fear.
Entropy Judge
Recurring Bouts of Misanthropy
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Flandre: *Flies*
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[X] Meet her on the temple steps.
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-[X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
-[X] Try talking to her first.
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[X] Meet her on the temple steps.
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-[X] Try talking to her first.
--[X] If talking fail, Just kill her.
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Ciel, atop lamppost: It's over! I have the high ground!
Flandre: *Flies*
Ciel:
Hm, does she? One Bad End (Akiha route, I think) implies that MEoDP do get past her resurrection, but I didn't know if there was explicit confirmation one way or the other.
- Location
- Postcard from the Root
[X] Meet her at the shopping district.
- [X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
- [X] Try talking to her first.
- [X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
- [X] Try talking to her first.
Isn't that how cats are like?
MEoDP varies a lot, but personally I think that MEoDP still has to hit the right target to actually permakill Ciel. She's like Arcruied, MEoDP on her body only kills her body and she just serial reincarnates into a new one a bit later. MEoDP on her soul is harder to pull off.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
Almost. Basically her existence is tied to Roa's. Because the World still registers Roa as 'alive' whenever Ciel dies, it treats her death as an anomaly and works to amend it. When she's killed, she literally seems to slide back in time to the last point where she was 'alive' as the world corrects the 'error.'
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
Isn't there a tool the Burial Agency has that fucks over magic especially hard, and Ciel could potentially have access to it? It's been years since I read this but I could have sworn there was Nasu Word of God on that subject, in a Q&A I thought.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
Yeah, that's the Black Barrel. It was mentioned a little bit ago.
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
No, I'm thinking of something else.
Entropy Judge
Recurring Bouts of Misanthropy
Not in my experience. The cats I've met would do one of three things:
1) Not bother looking for the picture.
2) Spend the time to actually find a picture.
3) Meow incessantly until someone else found a picture. (Some cats will then proceed to claim that they found the picture.)
Hmm ... I dunno? I mean, I know there's the Black Barrel which, in addition to its whole 'force mortality on immortals' deal, actually deals damage based on the amount of Ether/Grain in the target, which is why it's a viable weapon against TYPEs and such, because they're full of it. Ether being one of the Five Great Elements and present in all magecraft, the Black Barrel is pretty handy against magic types. (Now, the Black Barrel itself should actually be owned by Atlas, not the Church, but eh. Details.) Apart from that, the only 'anti-magic' Conceptual Weapon I'm aware of are the remainder of Kiritsugu's Origin Bullets, which ... the Church might have. Maybe Kirei nabbed them, maybe they're in the Emiya house somewhere, maybe Taiga's family has them, maybe Kiritsugu destroyed them. :shrug: There might be a specific Scripture with an anti-magic effect that the Church has, but nothing I'm particularly aware of.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
Would the Origin Bullets even still function after the guy whose origin they were carrying kicked the bucket?
Entropy Judge
Recurring Bouts of Misanthropy
I would think they would still be effective, although I am admittedly not an expert.
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[X] Meet her on the temple steps.
-[X] Talk to Caster about her before you leave.
-[X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
-[X] Try talking to her first.
--[X] If talking fail, Just kill her.
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[X] Meet her on the temple steps.
-[X] Talk to Caster about her before you leave.
-[X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
-[X] Try talking to her first.
--[X] If talking fail, Just kill her.
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Burial Agent
Entropy Judge
Recurring Bouts of Misanthropy
[X] Meet her at the shopping district.
- [X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
- [X] Try talking to her first.
You think it over for a few seconds, watching the strange woman walk down the street, then stand up. "I guess I'll go see what she wants," you say, drawing a frown from Caster.
"You think she is the visitor Archer told you to expect?" You nod.
"Well, either she is or she isn't, so I don't see any harm in going to see her." Deis sighs and shakes her head.
"And you don't want any help?" You grin at her.
"I don't see why I'd need it - she's just a human, after all. But … hm, why don't you watch me, and when I get back you can tell me what you think I should have done better, okay?" She stares at you and puts a hand over her face. You giggle and turn back to Caster as Deis waves her other hand dismissively. "Well, take care!" You curtsy, and Caster waves hesitantly as you turn to skip out of the room. You hum to yourself as you sneak out of the building; despite the relative earliness of the night, however, it seems like everyone is asleep. Caster's doing, perhaps? Or do they just go to sleep early? You break into a trot as you line up on the gate, then start running, and burst into the air just after passing through the gate. You cruise above the road to the city - if she is coming to see you, she probably knows where you are, and the most likely path will take her through the shopping district, and if she doesn't come through it, it's still located well enough for you to meet her from there.
The shopping district isn't quite deserted when you get there; some of the shops are still doing business, but most seem to have closed up for the night. Frowning, you look up at the sky and the waning moon. It's not that late, is it? Is there some sort of curfew? Oh well - shrugging, you pick a spot over a place that smells spicy and settle on the roof to wait for the stranger to arrive, amusing yourself by watching the people below you. You take out a blood pack as well, and after drinking it you activate Loki. A mere human shouldn't be a problem for you, but no sense risking a trump or something. Before too long, however, something happens, and all the lights below you wink out at the same time. There are a few shouts of surprise and alarm, but after a few seconds people simply start streaming out of the stores and walking down the street. Here and there someone realizes something is wrong, but is dragged along by the others. You pout; if there were people here then you could have a real fight, with screams and wanton bloodshed and all kinds of fun, but it seems like your visitor wants to meet you privately. After waiting for a few minutes, you look down the darkened street once more, then stand up and look around - if she isn't on the ground, she might have figured out where you are. You turn about, and there she is, standing at the corner of the roof, glaring at you with sharp blue eyes. You smile and curtsy.
"Good evening. My name is Flandre Scarlet. Who might you be?" She walks along the edge until she's directly across from you but doesn't reply, and between two steps a sword materializes in each hand. You tilt your head as she settles a little; her swords are still at her sides, but her feet are positioned for fighting. "So, who called you out here to fight me? Was it Kirei? I bet it was Kirei." She frowns, possibly confused about your attitude toward her - and you leap back across the street in a high arc as she charges and hurls her swords at you. The blades pass harmlessly under you and you glide onto the roof across the street. You cross your arms and sniff disdainfully. "Hmph. I suppose I should have expected as much from a human." You giggle and a grin spreads across your face as you ready yourself. Should you play with her? Archer did say he wanted to be entertained … but really, why should you care about him? Maybe you should just 'fight' her … or perhaps you should simply show her just how poor a decision she has made, picking a fight with you. Or … maybe you need some more answers.
What do you do?
[ ] Play around with her.
- [ ] Physically.
- [ ] Danmaku.
- [ ] Spell Cards.
[ ] Fight her.
- [ ] Keep trying to talk.
[ ] Beat her senseless.
- [ ] Wait for her to recover and get some answers.
- [ ] Take her to the church and get some answers from Kirei.
- [ ] Take her back to the temple. Maybe Deis can use her body?
- [ ] Leave her and go back to the temple.
[ ] Kill her.
- [ ] Go back to the temple.
- [ ] Take her body to the church and get some answers from Kirei.
[ ] Other?
DM Note: Choosing 'Fight her' means that Flan will try to fight at a level around Ciel's - not overpowering her or otherwise showing off stronger abilities, and drawing out the fight.
- [X] Activate Loki before meeting her.
- [X] Try talking to her first.
You think it over for a few seconds, watching the strange woman walk down the street, then stand up. "I guess I'll go see what she wants," you say, drawing a frown from Caster.
"You think she is the visitor Archer told you to expect?" You nod.
"Well, either she is or she isn't, so I don't see any harm in going to see her." Deis sighs and shakes her head.
"And you don't want any help?" You grin at her.
"I don't see why I'd need it - she's just a human, after all. But … hm, why don't you watch me, and when I get back you can tell me what you think I should have done better, okay?" She stares at you and puts a hand over her face. You giggle and turn back to Caster as Deis waves her other hand dismissively. "Well, take care!" You curtsy, and Caster waves hesitantly as you turn to skip out of the room. You hum to yourself as you sneak out of the building; despite the relative earliness of the night, however, it seems like everyone is asleep. Caster's doing, perhaps? Or do they just go to sleep early? You break into a trot as you line up on the gate, then start running, and burst into the air just after passing through the gate. You cruise above the road to the city - if she is coming to see you, she probably knows where you are, and the most likely path will take her through the shopping district, and if she doesn't come through it, it's still located well enough for you to meet her from there.
The shopping district isn't quite deserted when you get there; some of the shops are still doing business, but most seem to have closed up for the night. Frowning, you look up at the sky and the waning moon. It's not that late, is it? Is there some sort of curfew? Oh well - shrugging, you pick a spot over a place that smells spicy and settle on the roof to wait for the stranger to arrive, amusing yourself by watching the people below you. You take out a blood pack as well, and after drinking it you activate Loki. A mere human shouldn't be a problem for you, but no sense risking a trump or something. Before too long, however, something happens, and all the lights below you wink out at the same time. There are a few shouts of surprise and alarm, but after a few seconds people simply start streaming out of the stores and walking down the street. Here and there someone realizes something is wrong, but is dragged along by the others. You pout; if there were people here then you could have a real fight, with screams and wanton bloodshed and all kinds of fun, but it seems like your visitor wants to meet you privately. After waiting for a few minutes, you look down the darkened street once more, then stand up and look around - if she isn't on the ground, she might have figured out where you are. You turn about, and there she is, standing at the corner of the roof, glaring at you with sharp blue eyes. You smile and curtsy.
"Good evening. My name is Flandre Scarlet. Who might you be?" She walks along the edge until she's directly across from you but doesn't reply, and between two steps a sword materializes in each hand. You tilt your head as she settles a little; her swords are still at her sides, but her feet are positioned for fighting. "So, who called you out here to fight me? Was it Kirei? I bet it was Kirei." She frowns, possibly confused about your attitude toward her - and you leap back across the street in a high arc as she charges and hurls her swords at you. The blades pass harmlessly under you and you glide onto the roof across the street. You cross your arms and sniff disdainfully. "Hmph. I suppose I should have expected as much from a human." You giggle and a grin spreads across your face as you ready yourself. Should you play with her? Archer did say he wanted to be entertained … but really, why should you care about him? Maybe you should just 'fight' her … or perhaps you should simply show her just how poor a decision she has made, picking a fight with you. Or … maybe you need some more answers.
What do you do?
[ ] Play around with her.
- [ ] Physically.
- [ ] Danmaku.
- [ ] Spell Cards.
[ ] Fight her.
- [ ] Keep trying to talk.
[ ] Beat her senseless.
- [ ] Wait for her to recover and get some answers.
- [ ] Take her to the church and get some answers from Kirei.
- [ ] Take her back to the temple. Maybe Deis can use her body?
- [ ] Leave her and go back to the temple.
[ ] Kill her.
- [ ] Go back to the temple.
- [ ] Take her body to the church and get some answers from Kirei.
[ ] Other?
DM Note: Choosing 'Fight her' means that Flan will try to fight at a level around Ciel's - not overpowering her or otherwise showing off stronger abilities, and drawing out the fight.
[X] Fight her.
- [X] Four in kind. Let clones fight her while you go invisible and observe her. Study her style, weaknesses and strengths.
- - [X] Should she win against the clones, use the acquired knowledge and beat her into unconsciousness. Take all her possessions sans underwear from her.
- - - [X] Get some answers from her once she recovers. Proceed from there ...
- [X] Four in kind. Let clones fight her while you go invisible and observe her. Study her style, weaknesses and strengths.
- - [X] Should she win against the clones, use the acquired knowledge and beat her into unconsciousness. Take all her possessions sans underwear from her.
- - - [X] Get some answers from her once she recovers. Proceed from there ...
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Neo-Chan
Extremely hungover College student
- Location
- North Carolina
We should so do something that's completely impossible for a Dead Apostle Ancestor to do and then make a comment on how interesting this new world is, I absolutely love the idea of making Ciel think were a TYPE it would be hilarious. Although we should make sure not to fuck around with her, while we are vastly stronger then her in a straight fight anyone who's ever seen a Nasu work will tell you that sometimes you don't need to be stronger to win a fight Nasuverse is crazy like that. Just ask Shirou and Gilgamesh.
- Location
- Bowling Green
[X] Kill her.
-[X] Go back to the temple.
-[X] Go back to the temple.