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Give her a nice phone and a paycheck.
Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?
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That depends on what that large mass of paperwork that Danny signed says. I've seen some very strange things in legal contracts before, and I have no doubt that the PRT thinkers have made it as air tight on their end as possible to cover just about any situation from "we're allowed to administer first aide to your kid even if they are unconscious without your consent" things that you expect to absurd.
It could be something odd, it-happened-once-so-now-we-have-to-make-a-rider-for-it situations, maybe "If the Subject Ward Applicant (as defined in Home Life section 5.2.A) eats too many Dessert Items (as defined in Nourishment section 72.1.D) from the cafeteria, while food on campus is provided, consumption of Dessert Items over 2x the Allotment (as defined from the yearly PRT physical in section 20.5.C) may incur penalties (at the discretion of the Protectorate Head, as defined in Local Base under section 42.1.M) including but not limited to: psychological counseling, physical therapy, revoked leave from the Premises (as defined in the Local Base under section 42.1.A), or further punishment pending written approval from one of the Subject Ward Applicant's Legal Guardian (as defined in Home Life in section 5.2.B)." This would allow them to effectively and legally ground her and send her to a shrink if she never never got a physical with the PRT, all squeaky clean and legal, if she grabbed a pudding cup while visiting base for any reason.
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Piggot pretty much laid out what they would do during their discussion.
Also, I kind of hope Taylor's precog bites her in the ass at some point, like in her quest to get what she wants in the moment she readily ignores how this will further affect her life/relationships. Like with Danny, she's unwilling to tell him what's going on in her headspace because it won't get her out of the Wards program and won't tell him she went to fight crime for fear of getting into an argument. I'm probably seeing what I want to see hear, but I also would like to see the fallout that occurs from her putting off her problems until they just pile on top of eachother in one clusterfuck.
chibipoe
May I tell you of the glory that is Catradora?
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Just leaving this here.
chibipoe
May I tell you of the glory that is Catradora?
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Yeah. She has precog, sure. But she's so focused on one thing....
See it's win win.
Also, lol double-standard.
"You were never there for me when I needed it!"
"Why can't you just let me do this on my own!?"
"You just ignored and avoided the problems that were in your face!"
"This is going to cause problems, so I will lie about it to avoid problems!"
Like father, like daughter I guess
chibipoe
May I tell you of the glory that is Catradora?
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Also, lol double-standard.
"You were never there for me when I needed it!"
"Why can't you just let me do this on my own!?"
"You just ignored and avoided the problems that were in your face!"
"This is going to cause problems, so I will lie about it to avoid problems!"
Like father, like daughter I guess
Never underestimate a teenager's capacity for self-delusion!
While this is true, as far as manipulators go, barring Lisa and Taylor getting off on the wrong foot, Lisa's pretty benign in terms of the relative villainy scale, at least if she takes a liking to you. She's certainly no Mr. Sinister, Mastermind, etc.
Not out of the realm of probability tho, depending on how desperate she gets, or if Taylor links her to Coil and runs with it.
I don't think Amy will necessarily go that far this early on, but there's definitely trouble brewing, and Amy's not helping herself when it comes to possible future psyche shattering.
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OverReactionGuy
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Honestly this entire situation is building up to a massive fuck up.
Danny probably already turned in the Ward papers btw. After all, Taylor didn't argue her point or anything. So why wouldn't he turn them in right away to make sure Taylor is safe?
The best choice Taylor could make is to argue with her father and not use precog to see whether that works or not then keep it in if it doesn't.
There is no perfect solution for this. But arguing would at least make Danny see the fact that he is loosing his daughter.
Danny probably already turned in the Ward papers btw. After all, Taylor didn't argue her point or anything. So why wouldn't he turn them in right away to make sure Taylor is safe?
The best choice Taylor could make is to argue with her father and not use precog to see whether that works or not then keep it in if it doesn't.
There is no perfect solution for this. But arguing would at least make Danny see the fact that he is loosing his daughter.
Thank you for another very enjoyable chapter. I do like the way you show Taylor's growth (power wise), Victoria making an effort to help, Lisa's thougths and how precognition isn't the answer to everything because sometimes you can't win or there aren't any good possibilities.
Three question before I speculate a bit. (Or four, depending how you count them.)
Can Taylor's precognition predict Scion, the Endbringer's and Eidolon?
Was Amy affected by Victoria's aura, becoming "Victoriasexual"?
Has whatever PRT officer they eventually decided to assign to Winslow already started attending the school and can you give us the names of the students he or she will be reporting on?
Now, some speculation.
Danny hasn't brought in the paperwork to register Taylor as a Ward. Taylor hasn't brought in the alternative paperwork Piggot had provided to her. Armsmaster, Miss Militia, Piggot and/or a specific PRT flunky probably kept an eye out for either Danny or Taylor to come and drop off paperwork. Assault and Battery have encountered Sirin going out and seen that she's both powerful and versatile (telekinesis) and will report this. Depending on what they think of Danny Armsmaster, Miss Militia and/or Piggot might decide to give him a call to inform him that she's going out. After all, if he signs the papers and ruins his relationship with his daughter it won't be their fault.
If Coil doesn't order her to observe Taylor Lisa will probably start arranging "accidental" meetings with Taylor so that she can get an idea of how Taylor will react to her (carefully formulated) plea for help.
Three question before I speculate a bit. (Or four, depending how you count them.)
Can Taylor's precognition predict Scion, the Endbringer's and Eidolon?
Was Amy affected by Victoria's aura, becoming "Victoriasexual"?
Has whatever PRT officer they eventually decided to assign to Winslow already started attending the school and can you give us the names of the students he or she will be reporting on?
Now, some speculation.
Danny hasn't brought in the paperwork to register Taylor as a Ward. Taylor hasn't brought in the alternative paperwork Piggot had provided to her. Armsmaster, Miss Militia, Piggot and/or a specific PRT flunky probably kept an eye out for either Danny or Taylor to come and drop off paperwork. Assault and Battery have encountered Sirin going out and seen that she's both powerful and versatile (telekinesis) and will report this. Depending on what they think of Danny Armsmaster, Miss Militia and/or Piggot might decide to give him a call to inform him that she's going out. After all, if he signs the papers and ruins his relationship with his daughter it won't be their fault.
If Coil doesn't order her to observe Taylor Lisa will probably start arranging "accidental" meetings with Taylor so that she can get an idea of how Taylor will react to her (carefully formulated) plea for help.
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Heh, since Taylor is such good buddies with Vicky there's an off chance (though granted slim) she might get an offer/chance to join New Wave. Especially if Photon Mom and others are sympathetic to her plight and when they start to realize just how powerful she is. Like I said slim chance but it could happen, that would be a cool twist. Also, wouldn't PanPan be thrilled about that.
As to Danny, I honestly can't blame him. He's very flawed but he's trying to be a responsible parent. He just doesn't quite understand his daughter. If he did he'd know that there is no way this won't blow up in his face.
As to Danny, I honestly can't blame him. He's very flawed but he's trying to be a responsible parent. He just doesn't quite understand his daughter. If he did he'd know that there is no way this won't blow up in his face.
chibipoe
May I tell you of the glory that is Catradora?
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Taylor's precognition isn't hindered by any of the restrictions about predicting Endbringers/Scion/etc. Those instances are programmed into shards, if my memory serves, so Taylor has zero issue with them.
We are not far enough back from where canon started that Amy would get to avoid the issues with Vicky's aura.
They're there, yes. Just keeping an eye on things, Taylor in particular. 2.9 should show this.
Danny hasn't turned in the papers, no. The ones he had are currently in Taylor's possession. Nothing stops him, of course, from getting more though. The latter part, though, they are not likely to do because pulling back a bit is best at this stage. A&B was entirely coincidental, which Taylor picked up and so she wasn't flying off the hinges at them, but she still wasn't comfortable with them there because logic and emotion rarely coincide.
We shall see on this.
Honestly I'm wondering why Vicky hasn't discussed all this in detail with her family. They've got experienced heroes and experienced lawyers for her to bounce ideas off of.
Why? There are two major concerns here -
As for the Amy-being-jealous thing, that's possible. It is also possible that this version of Amy is smart enough to know that Glory Girl's aura can have unintended side effects. She might just be worried that Victoria could be dropping the "mind whammy" on this new person. If Amy doesn't want Glory Girl arrested for excessive force I can only imagine how much she doesn't want to see Glory Girl getting (mis)labeled as a Master.
.. especially if she's a Master with no control over her abilities ..
Why? There are two major concerns here -
- The Protectorate / PRT is doing something with legal repercussions for her new friend. It is also possible that what they are doing is illegal. (Unethical, sure. Illegal? Maybe.) Vicky is smart enough to know when to go ask an expert what's really going on.
- Assuming Taylor is about to be forced into the Wards, Taylor might be putting Victoria in a messy legal situation. Is Glory Girl being exposed to confidential details? Is there anything that Glory Girl needs to not know to protect herself?
As for the Amy-being-jealous thing, that's possible. It is also possible that this version of Amy is smart enough to know that Glory Girl's aura can have unintended side effects. She might just be worried that Victoria could be dropping the "mind whammy" on this new person. If Amy doesn't want Glory Girl arrested for excessive force I can only imagine how much she doesn't want to see Glory Girl getting (mis)labeled as a Master.
.. especially if she's a Master with no control over her abilities ..
I asked for an example on what you thought Danny should do, not what he shouldn't have done. Do you actually have any solutions better than what he did, or is your argument nothing more than ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH!
Danny should find out what she can do, find out who (cape names only) she'll be patrolling with as an independent and what they can do, have her take serious self-defence/martial arts and first aid classes, find out what being a Ward really means and have her choose between the following options:
1) Join the Wards.
2) Don't go out patrolling. If you do I'll sign you up for the Wards immediately.
3) You can patrol as an independent cape so long as the below rules are followed. Break them and I'll sign you up for the Wards immediately.
3.1) Only patrol when accompanied by so and so. (The Parahumans you introduced me to.)
3.2) Only patrol during certain, pre-determined times. (If that needs to change discuss it with me first.)
3.3) Do not engage the following list of people. (List to be determined beforehand and updated on a regular basis.)
3.4) If attacked by anybody on the list fly away immediately, dragging your teammates along telekinetically and call the PRT/Protectorate. (If you do fight them you'd better have an explanation as to why that will satisfy me.)
3.5) Keep up your schoolwork. If you don't you aren't allowed to patrol.
3.6) Keep up your self-defence/martial arts and first aid classes.
The problem is however that it seems as if Danny would rather have somebody else take care of her and assume responsibility for her. Perhaps he doesn't believe that he can do a good job as a parent.
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I was unaware Victoria was polytheistic.
Don't get me wrong, she could be, I was just unaware.I enjoyed the chapter, though it didn't feel like much really happened.
Taylor and Vicky talk some, then bond a little over beating up drug addicts and trash-monsters.
Taylor displays possible Manton-breaking levels of telekinesis in front of A&B (not sure if taking control of the trash Much telekinetically controls counts as Manton-breaking, so that's why I said possible. Still a pretty intimidating display of power though.)
We see Lisa figure out Coil's power and start plotting.
Amy is making my yandere senses tingle.
Madison muses about the status quo at Winslow, and utterly fails to understand why Taylor just gives zero fucks about teenage popularity.
I'm glad we get to see all of these things, but it makes it feel like a filler chapter (though I suppose that's because it was originally meant to include 2.9, as well).
Also, congratulations on surpassing Acceleration's word count!
Well, if it's like the original story her mother dies, her father (who actually loves her) gets sent to the Birdcage, she's being raised by a woman who doesn't want her and has in fact said so in front of her and a man who is very depressed, her adoptive sister (who actually cares for her) becomes her romantic and sexual fantasy due to an aura that she thinks doesn't affect her anymore and her father (who actually loves her) gets demonized to such a degree by the people who are now raising her that just bringing it up causes her emotional instability. Yep, messed up, but she's got reasons.
How his signing her up for the Wards not taking care of her? He's a rep for the Dockworker's Union with no history or understanding of combat or superheroing, trying to take personal control over how she goes about being a cape in that way is both dangerous and irresponsible.
This isn't a perfect analogy, but it'd be like a parent dealing with their traumatized child by treating their psychological problems by himself instead of sending them to a psychiatrist. Except bad judgement in this instance ends in his daughter dying/setting the city on fire.
I certainly understand peoples opposition to authority (especially one as shady as we know the PRT to be), but sometimes shit like this is best left to people who actually know what they're doing (to outside appearances and information Danny would be privvy to).
A point. In Firebird at least Taylor tried to speak with Danny about the bullying. (Chapter 2.3) From what is said he ignored her, brushed it off or perhaps did not believe her. After seeing that he was no help she likely stopped coming to him for help after a while.
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This pretty much sums up my take on the issue. Could Danny be doing a better job as a parent? Yes. Could he be making better decisions? Yes. Are any of his actions implausible given his current knowledge and emotional state? No.
As much as we, the readers, may be able to think of ways this could have been resolved much easier/more pleasantly, Danny is doing what he believes will, in his limited understanding of the situation, his daughter, and his own capabilities as a parent, be best for Taylor.
That's all I'm going to say on the subject. If anyone replies to this, I'm unlikely to respond beyond possibly rating the post.
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chibipoe
May I tell you of the glory that is Catradora?
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Yeah. :/ I wanted to keep to my schedule and found the best break point I could for that. 2.9 resolves(more or less) arc 2's things and will hopefully be out before next saturday. We'll see. Going now to sit at a place for lunch and savor the joy of being right on the bay and able to write while I have lunch.
Yeah, but to be honest we don't really know what Taylor said, and she is not really the most forthright or self aware person. Honestly it could have been, and knowing Taylor was probably something like " Some kids at school were jerks today." And that's it, never mentioned again.
We know that canon Danny was probably clinically depressed, and that he had anger issues which he dealt poorly with which made him a pretty hands off permissive parent. Add to that that Taylor likes to hide things and try to avoid issues, well it is a recipe for disaster.
Now I am sure that the Protectorate did not tell Danny " hey if she gets out of line we will chuck her in juvie". They showed him the stats for unaffiliated teen capes, they promised support, they said they would try to keep her safe
Taylor has shown Danny that she can not be trusted not to sneak out, she will actively lie to him to do so. He cannot keep her safe, the Protectorate may be able to do so.
The main problem I have with Danny trying to sign her up for the Wards the way he did is that it doesn't seem to be a case of him trying to take care of her. It seems to be a case of trying to shift responsibility for her to the PRT/Protectorate.
The second problem is that he doesn't try to discuss it with her, try to convince her or ask her to provide other options. He just leaves her alone with Armsmaster, takes the papers and signs them before she even gets home.
The third problem is that he isn't shown as even trying to reassure her about the Wards. He just wants to force her into them.
Well Armsmaster already did his wards pitch and it patently didn't work, so Danny probably doesn't feel anything he says will change that.
However, I agree with the rest of your statement.