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Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?

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Crowfeild said:
well the most reasonable thing to do is just mind slave dannys dumb ass and git this hole thing overwith.
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That is not the most reasonable thing to do. First of all, mind-slaving anyone is morally reprehensible and this Taylor wouldn't do it to an enemy, let alone her own father. Secondly, she doesn't know how to mind-slave people right now even if she wanted to. Geez.

Of course you could be joking in which case my bad, but in my defense sarcasm translates really badly over the internet.
 
Metroidvania said:
Madison, for being as chameleon-like as she tends to be, shows a bit of her true, 'warped' personality as well, here, though the absolute inability to see Taylor wanting to stay out of it all, even if just merely because she's either sick of it or outgrown it, feels a mite bit alien to see that explanation missed so thoroughly. But at least this way, it leaves some dramatic tension in for the Madison reveal, come what may from that.
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Makes me wonder, what was her trigger?
She fails to understand not wanting Social power, so a bullying victim alond with outcast?
 
THUMBS UP!
Like how everything is now piling up with more and more plots piling on top of one another and now with Lisa's own plan joining the fray, how much longer will this go before it all backfires horribly? Stay tuned for the next chapter of Firebird!
 
MadGreenSon said:
Best. Glory Girl. Ever.


Also, what's up with Amy being a jealous bitch? Hasn't she already had confirmation that Taylor drives stick?

Oh wait, teenager. Nevermind.:D
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To say that Amy isn't the most rational or unbiased person would be a grave understatement. She's even more messed up than most capes. Probably really high up there on the list of messed up parahumans who aren't villains. And most that are.
 
Impstar said:
To say that Amy isn't the most rational or unbiased person would be a grave understatement. She's even more messed up than most capes. Probably really high up there on the list of messed up parahumans who aren't villains. And most that are.
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Out of the prominent villain leaders in the Bay, I think only Skidmark is more fucked up than her, and he had drugs to help him get there. Of the lesser villains the only ones more fucked in the head than her that spring to mind are Oni Lee, Bakuda, Night, Fog and Bitch. So... That's being eaten by his powers, overcompensating psychotic, raised by psycho-Nazis x2 and Bitch.

Damn... Amy is fucked up.

I mean when Lung, Kaiser, Hookwolf, and Cricket are more stable than you are mentally, you are seriously messed up.
 
MadGreenSon said:
Best. Glory Girl. Ever.


Also, what's up with Amy being a jealous bitch? Hasn't she already had confirmation that Taylor drives stick?

Oh wait, teenager. Nevermind.:D
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Well, Vicky is hanging out with Taylor more then she's hanging out with Amy.

So, that's an automatic dislike.

And to be honest, Vicky didn't have any female friends who were also Parahumans outside of her family besides maybe Vista. And they just seemed to get along. So I imagine that part of it is that Amy is having an "Oh shit" sort of thing in which she is realizing Vicky now has a female friend that she can shop with clothes with one moment, and then go beat up thugs the next.

Which would cut into the few nights that Amy goes with Vicky on her little patrols.
 
BrokenAscendent said:
Makes me wonder, what was her trigger?
She fails to understand not wanting Social power, so a bullying victim alond with outcast?
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I'm thinking Browbeat's canon trigger fits well enough really.

Walking off the side of a boat cause she/he was curious and her/his weird solipsist mindset didn't connect how it dangerous it was fast enough to stop her/him.

Really looking forward to Taylor and her having an actual conversation, cause seeing it from Taylor's side where her psychic powers/empathy are just giving her complete nonsense responses cause of how messed up Mads is will be gold.


Noxturne90 said:
Well, Vicky is hanging out with Taylor more then she's hanging out with Amy.

So, that's an automatic dislike.

And to be honest, Vicky didn't have any female friends who were also Parahumans outside of her family besides maybe Vista. And they just seemed to get along. So I imagine that part of it is that Amy is having an "Oh shit" sort of thing in which she is realizing Vicky now has a female friend that she can shop with clothes with one moment, and then go beat up thugs the next.

Which would cut into the few nights that Amy goes with Vicky on her little patrols.
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Also with Taylor there, Vicky might cause less collateral, so no late night "Oh god I made a guy quadraplegic, halp Ames!" calls.
 
Scarlet4 said:
Also with Taylor there, Vicky might cause less collateral, so no late night "Oh god I made a guy quadraplegic, halp Ames!" calls.
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Honestly, I really dislike that whole bit fanon has gotten too with Vicky casually beating people to an inch of their life. In canon, it's shown to be a rare occurrence. I would personally like to think that while it does happen, it's because Vicky loses her temper on the rare occasion and stops accounting for the fact that she can bench-press Mac Trucks and that people are squishy. Not she just starts hitting and doesn't care.

While I'm not given her an excuse for it, I'm saying she's not an outright "Brutality Barbie" as fanon paints her. Yes, it does happen. Why? It's not shown. But she can't be out casually snapping spines all the time. Amy treated it in the interlude like Vicky had messed up after a fairly good stretch of it not happening.

Here at least, that seems to be the case. Battery and Assault refer to her as 'playing rough' but they refer to it mostly being the environment.
 
Noxturne90 said:
Honestly, I really dislike that whole bit fanon has gotten too with Vicky casually beating people to an inch of their life. In canon, it's shown to be a rare occurrence.
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It's shown to happen by accident during her interlude, and then Amy chides her for doing it again.

The reason it is thought to be a recurring problem is that the characters treat it as such.
 
Look if near brushes with manslaughter while doing your vigilante thing are something that's happened multiple times, it's not really unfair to give people shit for it. It's not a small thing.

It's pretty much like the "You fuck one horse" joke.
 
Noxturne90 said:
Yes, and I mentioned that in my post. Though I suppose I could have been more clear on it.
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Well, the thing is, you try to characterize it as a thing that happens "on rare occasion", while in canon Amy seems to treat it more like a bad habit which happens far too frequently and which she needs to treat with Tough Love style tactics.

Amy is talking like Vicky needs an intervention. That means that to Amy, it's a serious problem.

I have absolutely no issue with a fic deciding that your interpretation is valid -- exploring different character interpretations is a fine thing to do -- but I don't think your interpretation is well-supported by canon, and I certainly don't think it's more supported than the overly-brutal interpretation which you're trying to shout down.

tl;dr - It's not fanon that GG is overly brutal.
 
I wonder how it would go if Taylor explained to Danny that if she gets forced into the Wards she'll just keep doing what she wants which will result in the PRT attempting to arrest her. I mean, he's not being portrayed as so stupid as to want her in prison.
 
jerkface said:
Well, the thing is, you try to characterize it as a thing that happens "on rare occasion", while in canon Amy seems to treat it more like a bad habit which happens far too frequently and which she needs to treat with Tough Love style tactics.

Amy is talking like Vicky needs an intervention. That means that to Amy, it's a serious problem.

I have absolutely no issue with a fic deciding that your interpretation is valid -- exploring different character interpretations is a fine thing to do -- but I don't think your interpretation is well-supported by canon, and I certainly don't think it's more supported than the overly-brutal interpretation which you're trying to shout down.

tl;dr - It's not fanon that GG is overly brutal.
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Not trying to shout it down, but I don't believe it's as common an occurrence as others would have it. To be honest, neither of us has definitive proof either way. Part of canon points to yours, and part to mine. Your argument is both equally valid and supported by the points you brought up.

Amy does talk like this has happened before. But what we don't see is how often it has happened before. It could be fairly rare to uncommon, or the other way around. But I'm tempted to believe it err's on the side of the first and not the second.
 
Noxturne90 said:
Not trying to shout it down, but I don't believe it's as common an occurrence as others would have it. To be honest, neither of us has definitive proof either way. Part of canon points to yours, and part to mine. Your argument is both equally valid and supported by the points you brought up.

Amy does talk like this has happened before. But what we don't see is how often it has happened before. It could be fairly rare to uncommon, or the other way around. But I'm tempted to believe it err's on the side of the first and not the second.
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I have no issue if this is being discussed as one valid interpretation of canon. Canon is vague, and interpretation is required.

I have issue with dismissing it as "fanon", which your previous post had appeared to do.

This most recent post seems far more reasonable.
 
I love it!
chibipoe said:
Barbie, and and a new girl
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Stuttering?

chibipoe said:
counting from ten a she heard
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You accidentally an s.

chibipoe said:
Amy was waiting a short distance away and she started walking toward her, arms crossed. Yeah, Vicky thought, she was angry.

"Let's go," she said curtly and Vicky sighed internally, before lifting her sister and taking off.
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Oooh, trouble in paradisepurgatory!

chibipoe said:
New word count: 102838. Acceleration surpassed! Achievement earned!
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Seriously? It feels like this fic is just getting started, while Accel went on for ages.
 
jerkface said:
I have no issue if this is being discussed as one valid interpretation of canon. Canon is vague, and interpretation is required.

I have issue with dismissing it as "fanon", which your previous post had appeared to do.

This most recent post seems far more reasonable.
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The fanon takes her occasional bout of it and ramps it up. I've seen her referred to as "Manslaughter Barbie" quite a few times. Which is what I dislike.

And I do admit that Glory Girl can fight brutal at times. And if the bank is an indication, when angered over something she has no issues with both making threats and following through. I wish canon was more clear on the point, giving us at least some sort of basic idea of how often it has happened and the context.
 
chibipoe said:
Perceives two actions simultaneously, able to choose one and discard other? Hebert aware of the discarded action. Lisa stopped on the sidewalk, ignoring someone's disgruntled exclamation as they veered around to avoid running into her. Eyes wide, she stepped closer to the edge, to avoid anyone else possibly colliding with her. That was it. She bit down on her lip enough to cause pain to dampen the rush of elation as she suppressed the flow of information.

She started walking again, stopping at a coffee stand for one of her favorite drinks, savoring the mix of sweet and bitter. It wasn't a solution yet, but now she had something to build on. Her lips twisted in a grin briefly before fading as she thought of the girl. Taylor Hebert. Likely to be his next target to 'recruit', if she was any judge of the situation. And the one who had, indirectly, allowed her to solve this problem by giving her something to compare Coil against.
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Hmm. I think Lisa may have found her new best friend. We'll see if she can have a conversation with Taylor (and hopefully make a good first impression).

chibipoe said:
Battery flushed underneath her costume and slapped his bicep. "Not the time, goof."

Assault coyly waggled his eyebrows with a devilish grin. "When is it ever? And when have we cared?"

"I do take my job seriously," she rolled her eyes, but grinned in spite of herself. "Now come on, we've got to make sure Collateral Girl and her new sidekick don't make too much of a mess."
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The interactions between Battery and Assault are great and IC. Nice work.

chibipoe said:
Vicky winced, then frowned. "Okay, I can get that. Want I should try talking to him?"
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Already been mentioned by daimahou, but this seems off.

chibipoe said:
She waited a moment as there was no reply. "Amy?"
*SNIP*
There was silence, where it was like the other end of the line seemed to go dead. Vicky tentatively spoke. "Amy? You there?" The silence continued, and Vicky grew worried. She couldn't tell what Amy was thinking. Finally, an answer came. "You'll have to make up for leaving me here waiting, got it?"
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Amy's behavior continues to be a little worrisome...

Great chapter, chibipoe.
 
Noxturne90 said:
The fanon takes her occasional bout of it and ramps it up. I've seen her referred to as "Manslaughter Barbie" quite a few times. Which is what I dislike.
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Unless that happens in this story, I don't see much relevance.

Noxturne90 said:
And I do admit that Glory Girl can fight brutal at times. And if the bank is an indication, when angered over something she has no issues with both making threats and following through. I wish canon was more clear on the point, giving us at least some sort of basic idea of how often it has happened and the context.
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You are free to dislike anything.

You are not free to call anything you dislike "fanon", though.

With respect to "the context", you're talking about the words of Assault -- the guy whose only major canon characteristic is that likes to tease girls via mockery.
 
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