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Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?

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Wards or no Wards? It doesn't really matter once Taylor goes all world eating firebird after Chibipoe inevitably kills off Danny again.
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It was only Acceleration. (Egg is just too depressing, we don't talk about it). Just one time! I swear, it's like people are expecting me to kill Danny gruesomely at the drop of a hat. I'll show you! I'll show you all!
 
landcollector said:
She'd more likely call Victoria, Catherine and/or Minako if she needed help.
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All of whom may be out of range or indisposed. If she's with the Wards she's got whoever she's out with and someone working dispatch that can send back up even if Taylor can't. For example, let's say she's out one night and stumbles upon a few E88 members, one of whom gets the drop on her and knocks her out. If she's alone she'll be fucked, but if she's with the Wards back up is on the way. Also there is a matter of who she'll be fighting as a Ward. If she for example sees Lung and Oni Lee, on her own she might decide to try her luck, as a Ward she'll have orders to avoid fighting them. That's the safer option, which is what Danny is arguing. To him as long as Taylor doesn't end up bleeding out in an alleyway somewhere he's going to see it as a good choice.
 
chibipoe said:
It was only Acceleration. (Egg is just too depressing, we don't talk about it). Just one time! I swear, it's like people are expecting me to kill Danny gruesomely at the drop of a hat. I'll show you! I'll show you all!
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Hes going to be fat dumb and happy damnit! Just one time!

Riley - Oh yes! Forever and ever and ever! Just a big ole jolly man he is! Say hello Santa Claws!
Santa - I hunger for children! Who's been naughty or nice?
Riley - Oh me! I've been good!
Taylor - *Screaming intensifies*
 
VolantRedX said:
Thing is, that's not a good reason. Or rather it's not one a parent should accept. It's the difference between having a buddy that had been skydiving for a few years teach you rather than having a professional teach you, based solely on personal feelings. If her main issue is that she doesn't like them than Danny is just going to argue that their ability to keep her safe far outweighs any personal issues. Now it's debatable if they can keep her safer than say, New Wave, but to Danny the Protectorate is the safest option. I mean it would make more sense if Taylor didn't want to go out in costume at all, but that's not the case here. She wants to fight crime, and thus is putting herself in danger. I can relate to Danny's argument that Taylor isn't really providing an acceptable alternative. I mean if being a Ward is dangerous than being solo is even worse.
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I've been stating that Taylor does have reasons but hasn't had the time to sit down and put her reasons into words. I also said that I don't know whether Danny would accept her reasons. (In fact, I don't believe he want's to accept any reasons from her at present because doing so would mean admitting to himself that what he did was wrong.)

What the representatives of the Protectorate has shown her is that they are spying manipulative liars, not to be trusted and that they do not care about her emotional well being. So why should she believe that joining them would be to her benefit? They haven't discussed any training schedule and even if they do, why should she believe them beforehand? To her they've proven themselves to be liars, people who shouldn't be trusted.
 
VolantRedX said:
All of whom may be out of range or indisposed. If she's with the Wards she's got whoever she's out with and someone working dispatch that can send back up even if Taylor can't. For example, let's say she's out one night and stumbles upon a few E88 members, one of whom gets the drop on her and knocks her out. If she's alone she'll be fucked, but if she's with the Wards back up is on the way. Also there is a matter of who she'll be fighting as a Ward. If she for example sees Lung and Oni Lee, on her own she might decide to try her luck, as a Ward she'll have orders to avoid fighting them. That's the safer option, which is what Danny is arguing. To him as long as Taylor doesn't end up bleeding out in an alleyway somewhere he's going to see it as a good choice.
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Your assuming she can trust them to help her when she calls and that they won't pretend they didn't hear, take their time till it is too late, or shoot her in the back when they arrive. Considering they recruited Sophia whose resume was being an unrepentant attempted murderer and torturer and made the decision to recruit her almost immediatly before they even finished interviewing the witness heavily suggests this is standard recruiting procedure for them rather than an exception. Taylor has no reason to believe that the wards are any less dangerous criminals than the villains she wants to fight.

Canon Sophia's recruitment makes sense. The way she was recruited in this story makes the PRT look hideously corrupt.
 
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cyberswordsmen said:
Considering they recruited Sophia whose resume was being an unrepentant attempted murderer and torturer and made the decision to recruit her almost immediatly before they even finished interviewing the witness heavily suggests this is standard recruiting procedure for them rather than an exception.
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Is Sophia confirmed as a member? I don't remember that being stated.
 
VolantRedX said:
Is Sophia confirmed as a member? I don't remember that being stated.
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Yes.
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"I've initiated the paperwork for a transfer out to New York. The director there has staff used to working with difficult cases. Her mother was… less than pleased to learn about her daughter's activities and has agreed, though she is reluctant to relocate herself. Sophia will have residency at the Protectorate dormitories and direct oversight from a member there to ensure her behavior."
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VolantRedX said:
That's sort of the same situation that Weaver was under. It's like being in jail, but she has to fight crime.
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And looking through Taylor eye's she will view it as negative as possible like so.

1. Sophia is being rewarded for bulling her and trying to murder her by being a hero.

2. Protectorate probably recruited more cases like Sophia so I need to watch my back around them.

3. The PRT and Protectorate do not care about me and only care about my powers.

So no, the PRT and Protectorate had not been painted in a good light in Taylor's eyes.
 
Noxturne90 said:
I think what Volant is trying to frame here, and this is just my own thoughts, is not if Taylor would call them, but would she need to in the first place? The entire idea in Danny's head as far as I understand it is that there would be someone there for her. Wards don't patrol alone. Or at least, not normally. They have a partner, backup if something goes hairy and immediate contact with more reinforcements if they can't run.

Which is a big thing I think people are missing.

The Wards aren't sent to handle things that they aren't expected to be capable of handling. They handle small things, while the Protectorate tackle larger stuff. Even as bad as Brockton Bay has gotten, I can never see Piggot tossing the Wards against the big names from the Gangs. Maybe the B listers or the C listers in Brockton, but never the A's.
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Then we started talking in different directions a while ago. Me answering a question about what her reasons for not joining the Wards are (she now views the Protectorate as spying manipulative liars, who are not to be trusted and who don't care about her emotional well being) and why she hasn't given Danny the reasons (she hasn't had time to sit down, think through the past day and put her feelings and reasons for the feelings in words). I also mentioned that I believe that Danny probably would not want to accept any reason not to join.
 
VolantRedX said:
That's sort of the same situation that Weaver was under. It's like being in jail, but she has to fight crime.
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No it really isn't. Taylor did spend time in actual jail and she was rather publicly known to have benevolent tendencies even as a villain, was remorseful to an extent and turned herself in.

Sophia was recruited directly from an attempt to frame and murder an innocent and is completely unrepentant. Unlike canon there is no good character witness to say she means well nor can her actions be mistaken as anything but pure malice. Also they made the decision to have her join the wards almost immediately before they even finished taking witness statements. That means they clearly didn't put much thought into whether she could be redeemed or not but rather that they always recruit unrepentant murders with powers when given half the chance.

Recruiting Canon Sophia makes sense, it would make less sense if they knew about her body count but still much more than what happened here because there was clearly a trial and proper legal proceedings with character witnesses speaking for her where a judge decided mercy was a good way to deal with it. What happened here was them demonstrating they consider monsters perfect recruitment material. Sophia may have redeeming qualities but they had already decided to deny Taylor justice of any sort well before they could possibly have learned anything more than the obvious about Sophia and the obvious is all pretty damning.

They acted like recruiting villains is Plan A for the protectorate which paints a very poor picture of Taylor's future teammates.
 
chibipoe said:
Funny you should mention the behatted lady.... Cauldron interlude(sort of) at the end of arc 3.
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Hey, don't screw around with my attempt at a joke derail by making it on topic! That's not nice. :D

chibipoe said:
(Egg is just too depressing, we don't talk about it)
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Link instead? Because I have no idea what Egg is.

chibipoe said:
it's like people are expecting me to kill Danny gruesomely at the drop of a hat. I'll show you! I'll show you all!
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You'll show us killing Danny at the drop of a hat?
You'll kill Danny, through dropping a hat?
You'll have a behatted lady kill Danny?
You'll prove us wrong by leaving him alone. Until we think he's fine?
You'll canon him and ignore him for the rest of the fic?
You'll kill Danny un-gruesomely?

What? What will you show us?!

Nicholai said:
Oh, Light help me.. someone broke the author. Does anyone know how to reboot a chibipoe?
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Why would we want to hit the reset button? The author's sanity has slipped, all we need to do is hold on and enjoy the ride.
 
chibipoe said:
Risk vs reward. Faceless mooks zip, zip out. A few shots to send people scurrying... and no one notices that the girl who was reading books by herself disappeared/was taken because they think she ran with the rest of them. But, lacking a precog, he isn't entirely reckless, so operations that don't go off perfectly are likely discarded. He wants to appear to be powerful... and you don't get that with casualties.
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he may think he running out of time to nab her. He is part of the PRT so he may know of pig's deal and was force to act. Now her joining the PRT may make it much easier to nab her, but the PRT would raise hell and Earth to find one there own expectfully one as powerful as her. Also him meeting an unknown thinker with unknown powers by happenstance would would really ruin his day.
 
chibipoe said:
Thing is, I see TT as the Vizier, after a fashion, to Coil. And what does the Vizier do?
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Grow evil-looking facial hair, right?

OverReactionGuy said:
for all intensive purposes, Brockton Bay Wards are child soldiers.
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You are wrong, twice.

chibipoe said:
Dracula was after full-grown women.
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"Ripe but not wrinkled."

VolantRedX said:
That there are far worse things that can be done to Danny besides death.
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This is the story of how Danny became Dracula, and how Lisa became his bearded adviser.
 
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