Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?

I imagine if he waited a few more seconds for it to kick it, it would have worked.
Ain't that the thing though? Coil's power is all about testing, having that second chance to try again. Taylor's kind of kicking that in the shin by remembering things.


Also:
my telekinesis erupted out in all directions. Against my back, I felt the table disappear and barely kept myself upright.
I tried to push myself up, succeeded only as far that I was able to weakly prop myself against the table leg
I suddenly tipped over, unable to keep myself upright without something to lean against.
"Gah!" I shoved my hands against the table to brace myself
Please make up your mind as to whether or not she has a table.
 
I thought the progression made sense(you quoted out of order). She was sitting, got darted and tried to stand, fell to the floor, tried to sit up, got to lean against table leg and tk shoved everything away, including table, then fell over, which is where she registered being back in her seat as timeline split.
 
Ain't that the thing though? Coil's power is all about testing, having that second chance to try again. Taylor's kind of kicking that in the shin by remembering things.

True.

He now knows that she has non-manton limited TK. Or something close. She was able to directly effect his troops with it at range. Enough that it sounds like one soldier likely died and the others all lost whatever arms were holding guns. But on the upside, he knows he can surprise her, and that if her wild performance during that was any clue, that getting Tranq'ed can mess with her TK.

That or she just has really general TK.
 
I'm pretty sure the real reason that timeline was cancelled was because Lisa was caught in the crossfire. Taylor was lashing out without a shred of restraint or control.
 
(you quoted out of order)
No, that was the order in the story:
I weakly fumbled, trying to get a grip on the edge of the table as I tried to stand, to force myself up. But my legs refused to so much as even twitch, and the motion instead knocked me to the floor.
That's just after she got darted, where she starts feeling dazed and slips to the floor, still near a table.


I pushed again, harder this time as the room spun around me and a distant thought told me I wasn't holding back or even exerting any control. I heard shelves crashing into one another and a pained scream from someone behind me as my telekinesis erupted out in all directions. Against my back, I felt the table disappear and barely kept myself upright.
After a couple of paragraphs she AOE telekinesis pulps the surroundings, including whatever table happens to be nearby. It's so abrupt/complete that she sees it as the table disappearing. Whatever happened (pulped or pushed) there's likely nothing left.


I tried to push myself up, succeeded only as far that I was able to weakly prop myself against the table leg instead of laying on the floor. But as I did that, the men were getting up.
Then she uses the table leg to push herself up. Doesn't specifically say the table is still there, but it would be pretty odd to find the leg still standing there by itself after what just happened.


I suddenly tipped over, unable to keep myself upright without something to lean against.
Then she falls over because there's no table or table leg or whatever.


"Gah!" I shoved my hands against the table to brace myself, pushing back and almost tipping over instead before looking around wildly for the men who had
Just realized this might be her getting startled when she realizes nothing is happening. Not sure, so maybe it's relevant, maybe not.

But that's the progression of it in the story.


I'm pretty sure the real reason that timeline was cancelled was because Lisa was caught in the crossfire. Taylor was lashing out without a shred of restraint or control.
Probably a bit of both. Coil would be fine with Lisa getting injured as long as he could question Taylor. After all, he can just get what he wants from her (likely an explanation of her powers and other details like what the PRT wants with her), then cancel the timeline and Lisa's all good. But with everything going ass over tits, he has no reason to wait before canceling it at all.
 
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No, that was the order in the story:
Probably a bit of both. Coil would be fine with Lisa getting injured as long as he could question Taylor. After all, he can just get what he wants from her (likely an explanation of her powers and other details like what the PRT wants with her), then cancel the timeline and Lisa's all good. But with everything going ass over tits, he has no reason to wait before canceling it at all.

Huh. That's weird. Something got borked somehow. Will fix when my CPU wakes up.
 
I do like that throughout this situation Danny wants to protect Taylor. However, I'm with Aeselon in that he's being rather hypocritical about it. That timeline where Coil had his men try a snatch and grab was odd. That many witnesses...

the freckled blonde who was staring my way with a mixture of confusion and wariness.
And that would be Lisa's power telling her something about Taylor's abilities most likely.

I wonder what she wants to talk to Victoria about...guess we'll find out. Good chapter chibipoe.
 
Coil: Someone is watching me!

-phone rings, Coil picks it up.-

Taylor: No one is.

Coil: You? Fuck! -closes timeline-

-Phone ranges again Coil picks it up-

Taylor:That was just plain rude.

-Coil hangs up the phone again-

Coil: -calls Lisa- Lisa! Taylor is being mean to me again!

Taylor: No I am not.

Coil: Shit!

-Coil hangs up the phone-

Coil: Where the hell is Lisa?

-Bang!-

Lisa: Boom, head shot.

Now for something serious. Honestly, I can understand both sides of this conflict between Danny and Taylor. Danny just fucked up by not being for her for a long time though. Now that he is actually interested in Taylor's life, he thinks he can control it. Taylor of course reacts like any teen would, and fights back.

I know I hated getting told what to do when I was already going to do it back then.

Honestly, I applaud Chibipoe for making a highly realistic father/daughter relationship between Taylor and Danny. To many stories automatically ignore Danny's neglect and make him the best dad when he finds out Taylor has powers.
 
Coil: Someone is watching me!

-phone rings, Coil picks it up.-

Taylor: No one is.

Coil: You? Fuck! -closes timeline-

-Phone ranges again Coil picks it up-

Taylor:That was just plain rude.

-Coil hangs up the phone again-

Coil: -calls Lisa- Lisa! Taylor is being mean to me again!

Taylor: No I am not.

Coil: Shit!

-Coil hangs up the phone-

Coil: Where the hell is Lisa?

-Bang!-

Lisa: Boom, head shot.

Now for something serious. Honestly, I can understand both sides of this conflict between Danny and Taylor. Danny just fucked up by not being for her for a long time though. Now that he is actually interested in Taylor's life, he thinks he can control it. Taylor of course reacts like any teen would, and fights back.

I know I hated getting told what to do when I was already going to do it back then.

Honestly, I applaud Chibipoe for making a highly realistic father/daughter relationship between Taylor and Danny. To many stories automatically ignore Danny's neglect and make him the best dad when he finds out Taylor has powers.
Can't decide whether to rate this as funny, for the first part, or insightful, for the second half. You'll have to settle for a like.

@chibipoe, I noticed that you had Taylor use her precognition a lot more in this chapter, for which I am happy. The library scene was perfect in that it provides the impetus for her to use this power more often.

One weird thing though:
"Pre-Cog. Or precognition I guess.
What's up with this line? It makes sense, but I don't see the point of it. Also, there should be a comma after 'precognition'.

Anyway, I loved the chapter and look forward to more!
 
Well, now Lisa knows that Taylor has 2 out of the 3 capabilities to take on Coil, if she wants to arrange things that way: that Taylor is another thinker, and more importantly, Coil isn't able to no-sell her through his own pre-cog like he can with Lisa and her intuitiveness.

Now, she just needs to connect Taylor to Sirin/the TK (i.e. being powerful enough to tell Coil to fuck off), and really get a good look, and then things get interesting.

Sidenote, I'm curious as to why she was in the Library in the first place. Presumably to spy on Taylor, bu IMO, that would be pushing awfully close to one of her triggers for 'NOPE'ing, or at least becoming passively unhelpful as she could be if she realizes that Coil was going after a capture attempt.

The way I see Danny, he doesn't give a shit if Taylor doesn't like him, as long as she doesn't die. Probably guilt brought on by being so neglectful for so long, then going overboard in the reverse direction. It doesn't help that he has no idea just how powerful Taylor can be, but has heard about people like Lung, etc, and how dangerous they can be.
 
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Not quite right. Danny cares quite a bit about how Taylor feels about him, but he cares more about her safety.
I get that, but on a personal level I find the lack of empathy he is showing to be a bit concerning in terms of where it can lead the narrative. (I prefer "happier" stories on average.)

Run with the logic for a few minutes -
  • Danny is not an idiot. He might not be a genius but he does understand personal interactions. (It is, after all, a job requirement for his position.)
  • Danny is aware that kids can (and do) run away.
  • Danny has to have some understanding that if Taylor decides to run away he might never see her again. Based on what (litte) he knows about her powers it is a safe bet that she could run for a long time.
End result - pushing Taylor to do something she is absolutely dead-set against runs a risk that she'll just leave.

To be fair to Danny (and chibipoe as the author) he is willing to listen to her. Unfortunately when she isn't convincing on no notice, with no prep time to figure out how to explain her position.. he shoots her down. He isn't dismissive but he is being very blunt. That comes across as an "unreceptive audience."

I do hope that they can continue to talk about the decision before someone makes a decision they'll regret (note my money is on Coil being Coil and Danny making an executive decision), but I also don't think that they will magically resolve all their emotional issues quickly. That will take some time.

.. and kudos to chibipoe for writing a story that has characters instead of caricatures. Emotional depth, valid reasons on all sides, and so on.


As for Coil, while the young ladies don't immediately recognize the men in "black tactical gear," I would be very surprised if any experienced heroes or villains wouldn't immediately jump to Coil. That kind of "equipment load-out" is Coil's signature. I really, really hope that Minako and Catherine figure this out in short order. First it will help them avoid a messy experience with Coil. Second I'm curious how chibipoe would handle the parahuman fallout from that.

Why? Because Coil is breaking the unwritten rules. He's going after a new parahuman (Taylor) in her civilian guise. Is anyone going to care? Will some people care and others totally ignore it? Will Kaiser try and use this as a rallying point for the E88? (Ab)using this turn of events to try and bring straying members back to the fold? ("If he does this to her, what is to stop him from doing this to you..")

There's just so much potential there.. and what can I say, I think chibipoe would take it in interesting directions.
 
Before I go zzzz for the night, I will say this: Coil, at present, does not know. Someone in that scene, however, does(having figured it out in the aftermath). Will she tell Coil? An excellent question.

Does this mean that Lisa has also figured out Coil's power?
I believe that at this point in canon, Lisa was completely unsure what power Coil has exactly, but this would be the kind of thing that would clue her in on it.

I doubt she'll tell Coil voluntarily, but it may come out during one of his torturing sessions. Or maybe not, if Lisa thinks that keeping quiet about it will be fitting vengeance from beyond the grave, especially if she has his power figured out and knows she's being tortured in an alternate timeline.
 
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And now for commentary!

No, that was the order in the story:


Corrected. Thank you both!

I think my biggest annoyance with Danny comes from his abject failure as a parent up to this point, and NOW he wants a say in his kid's life. It smacks of hypocrisy. If he'd actually acknowledged he had a daughter in any meaningful way after Annette died, been there for her, then the sudden desire to make a unilateral decision would still bug me, but wouldn't push my buttons as much (she's a 15 year old kid, their decision making skills are crap).

I do like that throughout this situation Danny wants to protect Taylor. However, I'm with Aeselon in that he's being rather hypocritical about it. That timeline where Coil had his men try a snatch and grab was odd. That many witnesses...

To be honest, I think both sides have a point, but neither is conveying it very well. Danny, arguably, has more of a point than Taylor, whose entire case can be stripped down to 'I don't wanna'(if you ignore all other context)

Regarding Coil's attempt to snatch and grab, less risky than you would think. Most importantly, it was a test. He gained more information and it cost him nothing(that he knows). So, profit?

Now for something serious. Honestly, I can understand both sides of this conflict between Danny and Taylor. Danny just fucked up by not being there for her for a long time though. Now that he is actually interested in Taylor's life, he thinks he can control it. Taylor of course reacts like any teen would, and fights back.

I know I hated getting told what to do when I was already going to do it back then.

Honestly, I applaud Chibipoe for making a highly realistic father/daughter relationship between Taylor and Danny. To many stories automatically ignore Danny's neglect and make him the best dad when he finds out Taylor has powers.

I kind of went that way in glossing over things with Acceleration, but at the same time... it was kind of sad, since he didn't notice how utterly uncaring Taylor was about anything/everything for much of the story. I figured something different is in order here. *hides plan #3478 for how Danny dies gruesomely* :evil:

@chibipoe, I noticed that you had Taylor use her precognition a lot more in this chapter, for which I am happy. The library scene was perfect in that it provides the impetus for her to use this power more often.

Balancing the use of precog vs describing it is tricky, honestly. Too much and it's like: bleh. Too little and well, we've seen that. It really does take something away from the narrative if Taylor's running it all the time for everything though. Plus, it's obviously distracting to her, as C&M noted/picked up on.

Well, now Lisa knows that Taylor has 2 out of the 3 capabilities to take on Coil, if she wants to arrange things that way: that Taylor is another thinker, and more importantly, Coil isn't able to no-sell her through his own pre-cog like he can with Lisa and her intuitiveness.

Now, she just needs to connect Taylor to Sirin/the TK (i.e. being powerful enough to tell Coil to fuck off), and really get a good look, and then things get interesting.

Sidenote, I'm curious as to why she was in the Library in the first place. Presumably to spy on Taylor, but IMO, that would be pushing awfully close to one of her triggers for 'NOPE'ing, or at least becoming passively unhelpful as she could be if she realizes that Coil was going after a capture attempt.

The way I see Danny, he doesn't give a shit if Taylor doesn't like him, as long as she doesn't die. Probably guilt brought on by being so neglectful for so long, then going overboard in the reverse direction. It doesn't help that he has no idea just how powerful Taylor can be, but has heard about people like Lung, etc, and how dangerous they can be.

Lisa has info that, presumably, Coil doesn't have. She was there to just go in/out and get more information on Taylor for her boss. And you're right about that. Thing is, I see TT as the Vizier, after a fashion, to Coil. And what does the Vizier do?

As far as Coil's power goes. I will throw this out. We've seen how the Phoenix manifestations affect TT's powers. Now, postulate what sort of affect it'll have on Coil's. In case you're all wondering. You'll find out in the next arc... at the end....

Not quite right. Danny cares quite a bit about how Taylor feels about him, but he cares more about her safety.

I get that, but on a personal level I find the lack of empathy he is showing to be a bit concerning in terms of where it can lead the narrative. (I prefer "happier" stories on average.)

Run with the logic for a few minutes -
  • Danny is not an idiot. He might not be a genius but he does understand personal interactions. (It is, after all, a job requirement for his position.)
  • Danny is aware that kids can (and do) run away.
  • Danny has to have some understanding that if Taylor decides to run away he might never see her again. Based on what (litte) he knows about her powers it is a safe bet that she could run for a long time.
End result - pushing Taylor to do something she is absolutely dead-set against runs a risk that she'll just leave.

To be fair to Danny (and chibipoe as the author) he is willing to listen to her. Unfortunately when she isn't convincing on no notice, with no prep time to figure out how to explain her position.. he shoots her down. He isn't dismissive but he is being very blunt. That comes across as an "unreceptive audience."

I do hope that they can continue to talk about the decision before someone makes a decision they'll regret (note my money is on Coil being Coil and Danny making an executive decision), but I also don't think that they will magically resolve all their emotional issues quickly. That will take some time.

.. and kudos to chibipoe for writing a story that has characters instead of caricatures. Emotional depth, valid reasons on all sides, and so on.

As for Coil, while the young ladies don't immediately recognize the men in "black tactical gear," I would be very surprised if any experienced heroes or villains wouldn't immediately jump to Coil. That kind of "equipment load-out" is Coil's signature. I really, really hope that Minako and Catherine figure this out in short order. First it will help them avoid a messy experience with Coil. Second I'm curious how chibipoe would handle the parahuman fallout from that.

Why? Because Coil is breaking the unwritten rules. He's going after a new parahuman (Taylor) in her civilian guise. Is anyone going to care? Will some people care and others totally ignore it? Will Kaiser try and use this as a rallying point for the E88? (Ab)using this turn of events to try and bring straying members back to the fold? ("If he does this to her, what is to stop him from doing this to you..")

There's just so much potential there.. and what can I say, I think chibipoe would take it in interesting directions.

To be fair, he's skirting very close, since Coil clearly is an example of only caring about the rules as they benefit him. He's not attacking Taylor's family. He's after Taylor. He didn't, in canon, do anything to Dinah's family. He went after Dinah. Sophistry, perhaps, but a fine enough distinction.

Regarding Danny. Canonically, he's kind of bad at the parental interaction thing, which is where I was coming from. Look at when he locks her in the house and tries to force her to talk to him. Horrible tactic.

And she may figure something out, or they might. Taylor, at least, has other sources she can ask. Her parents might have been able to tell(Catherine's), but Taylor doesn't want her identity getting blown more just yet, which that kind of would. "Oh, hey, Dad, do you know who these guys might be? I think they're after a friend of mine?" "A friend? Taylor?" "No! Not Taylor... just some parahuman we met the other night... who definitely isn't Taylor. At all." "Riiiiight."
 
I'm curious how chibipoe would handle the parahuman fallout from that.

Why? Because Coil is breaking the unwritten rules. He's going after a new parahuman (Taylor) in her civilian guise. Is anyone going to care? Will some people care and others totally ignore it? Will Kaiser try and use this as a rallying point for the E88? (Ab)using this turn of events to try and bring straying members back to the fold? ("If he does this to her, what is to stop him from doing this to you..")

The problem with this is that Taylor has no proof that he attacked her, nor that he broke any unwritten rules. While Catherine and Minako believe her because they are her friends and they trust her, I doubt the other factions would. Let's take a look:

Merchants - Might care given the risk to their identities, but I find it more likely for the addicts to not give a shit.

ABB - Lung would probably give no fucks and Oni Lee is an emotionless doll that just follows him. Maybe Bakuda, but that's a very long shot.

Undersiders - Might care, but Coil is the one paying them, even if they don't yet know it. Once they realize this, I doubt Regent or Bitch would care, and Grue has Aisha to worry about. Tattletale may care, but she's just one person, and quite thoroughly under Coil's thumb.

Faultline - "Is there money involved? No? We out."

E88 - The most likely villain group to care, given that this is a white girl, but Taylor is a hero, and furthermore, has no proof that Coil has even done anything.

New Wave - The most likely to care, if only because of Taylor's friendship with Victoria, and possibly because it parallels what happened to Fleur. She would still run into the issue of nothing having actually happened in this timeline, but at the very least I think Victoria could be convinced to help her out, but that doesn't really amount to much.

PRT/Protectorate - The seondd most likely to care, after New Wave, given that they have a standing interest in Taylor. There are, however, a few complications. First of all, there's the fact that Taylor has no way of proving that this happened, let alone that Coil did it (though, admittedly, the PRT/Protectorate would probably link black-clothed para-militants to Coil pretty fast). This is an even bigger reason than it would be for any other group because, as they are a government sponsored organization, they have laws they have to follow, and a teenager, even a parahuman, saying that she was the target of a kidnapping that never really happened would not justify cracking down on Coil, and the resulting imbalance in power struggle between the gangs and PRT. The other big issue is that, while Coil is not yet Acting Director of the Brockton Bay PRT, it is a reasonable assumption that he still has influence within the organization.

In conclusion, I don't find it likely that there will be any fallout from the cape community at large.

P.S. Sorry if this somewhat incoherent, but I just woke up and have not had any caffeine yet.
 
Does this mean that Lisa has also figured out Coil's power?
I believe that at this point in canon, Lisa was completely unsure what power Coil has exactly, but this would be the kind of thing that would clue her in on it.

I doubt she'll tell Coil voluntarily, but it may come out during one of his torturing sessions. Or maybe not, if Lisa thinks that keeping quiet about it will be fitting vengeance from beyond the grave, especially if she has his power figured out and knows she's being tortured in an alternate timeline.

Maybe. The torture session thing is dicey and anyway, him finding out during one of those is predicated on him actually asking the right question. If he doesn't know to ask, she could theoretically lie about it. I don't think those were too common anyway, or he'd risk her figuring it out.

I should add that she knows Taylor freaked out over something when there was nothing happening(visibly). So she has the means to figure his power out or at the very least, that Taylor is aware of some shit going down when he uses his power, whatever it is. (We don't know when she did previously, unless it was in the coin flip scene).
 
To be fair, he's skirting very close, since Coil clearly is an example of only caring about the rules as they benefit him. He's not attacking Taylor's family. He's after Taylor. He didn't, in canon, do anything to Dinah's family. He went after Dinah. Sophistry, perhaps, but a fine enough distinction.
Actually what I was pointing out was the rule about not trying to find out who parahumans are behind the mask and the rule about not going after parahumans "at home" or when they are in their civilian life.

If you hit an E88 site and Hookwolf decides to intervene, well, that's Hookwolf's decision and not your fault.

Spying on the same E88 site to figure out who Hookwolf is and then going after him when he's at home, hitting the grocery store, or at the gym is your fault.

The second one is what Coil is doing to Taylor right now. It is what he has done to Lisa in the past. It is what he did to Dinah in canon!Worm. (Unless I missed a Word o' Chibi we aren't at that point in the timeline in this story..)


So.. do I have a faulty understanding of the unwritten rules?
 
To be honest, I think both sides have a point, but neither is conveying it very well. Danny, arguably, has more of a point than Taylor, whose entire case can be stripped down to 'I don't wanna'(if you ignore all other context)
Hmm.

Regarding Coil's attempt to snatch and grab, less risky than you would think. Most importantly, it was a test. He gained more information and it cost him nothing(that he knows). So, profit?
True enough I suppose. I was operating on the line of thinking of "What if that timeline was kept?".
 
Torture sessions? Not that I couldn't see Coil doing that, but I don't remember those popping up in Canon.
Also does anybody know where I can find Wildbow's WoG on Coil's power being a strange form of precog? Links would be appreciated.
 
The problem with this is that Taylor has no proof that he attacked her, nor that he broke any unwritten rules. While Catherine and Minako believe her because they are her friends and they trust her, I doubt the other factions would. Let's take a look:

Merchants - Might care given the risk to their identities, but I find it more likely for the addicts to not give a shit.

ABB - Lung would probably give no fucks and Oni Lee is an emotionless doll that just follows him. Maybe Bakuda, but that's a very long shot.

Undersiders - Might care, but Coil is the one paying them, even if they don't yet know it. Once they realize this, I doubt Regent or Bitch would care, and Grue has Aisha to worry about. Tattletale may care, but she's just one person, and quite thoroughly under Coil's thumb.

Faultline - "Is there money involved? No? We out."

E88 - The most likely villain group to care, given that this is a white girl, but Taylor is a hero, and furthermore, has no proof that Coil has even done anything.

New Wave - The most likely to care, if only because of Taylor's friendship with Victoria, and possibly because it parallels what happened to Fleur. She would still run into the issue of nothing having actually happened in this timeline, but at the very least I think Victoria could be convinced to help her out, but that doesn't really amount to much.

PRT/Protectorate - The seondd most likely to care, after New Wave, given that they have a standing interest in Taylor. There are, however, a few complications. First of all, there's the fact that Taylor has no way of proving that this happened, let alone that Coil did it (though, admittedly, the PRT/Protectorate would probably link black-clothed para-militants to Coil pretty fast). This is an even bigger reason than it would be for any other group because, as they are a government sponsored organization, they have laws they have to follow, and a teenager, even a parahuman, saying that she was the target of a kidnapping that never really happened would not justify cracking down on Coil, and the resulting imbalance in power struggle between the gangs and PRT. The other big issue is that, while Coil is not yet Acting Director of the Brockton Bay PRT, it is a reasonable assumption that he still has influence within the organization.

In conclusion, I don't find it likely that there will be any fallout from the cape community at large.

P.S. Sorry if this somewhat incoherent, but I just woke up and have not had any caffeine yet.

The other fact is, currently there's one(ok, three people) she's told she can see the future. IN her head, she has to be thinking if this comes out, there's going to be people wanting that. PRT finds out? Oh boy, they get even more persistent. New Wave might not be able to act since she can't use 'Well, I've seen them attacking me, with my powers' as anything tangible, but they can at least advise.

Faultline's, of course, she could leverage her abilities as payment, so if she approached them in that context, they might care.

All the same. By May... well, the question of who knows about her precognition will be... a lot of people. Because she'll have no choice.

Next up, finishing this arc and some interlude(s), and then we move forward a bit, to the later part of March. Next arc is going to be explosive.
 
Given that words from a precog were treated as always right in worm, Taylor's proof that Coil tried something is her precog. Which she can prove she has.

Therefore Coil is fucked if Taylor tells someone.
 
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