Firebird, a Worm AU/Xover?

Kind of sad that Taylor seemed to be two or three days worth of research away from figuring out a decent reason to not join the (local) Wards, considering she knew there was some sort of discrepancy between what the forms said and what the local Wards kids end up doing.

Nice lack of patience there, Danny. Your child is now a criminal, I'm sure that's what you were going for.
While I agree with the first part, I dispute the second.

We have absolutely no indication that Taylor has, or will become, a criminal. Even if a Ward disobeying and/or ignoring orders was a criminal offense (not arguing this one way or another, I just don't know if it is), to our knowledge, Danny has yet to turn in the paperwork that registers Taylor as a Ward, and a child not listening to a parent is not a criminal offense.
 
"Reads new chapter."

"Comes back from laughing hard at Taylor's PHO account name."

Wow. Just wow. That was actually refreshing to see how fast Taylor's relationship with her father went FUBAR that fast, but on one side, I seriously sympathize with Taylor here about the whole parents trying to do what's best for you scenario, on the other hand, YE GODS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU DANNY! There, out of my system, now just to ask, how much further will Taylor's power grow and how big will it blow up in everyone's face when someone drops the ball in the stupid way? All in all, good chapter.
 
Well, her being trapped in a locker filled with biological waste is unlikely enough that it probably can't happen.
Probably.
Unless @chibipoe brings Manton into BB for some reason.

Nice lack of patience there, Danny. Your child is now a criminal, I'm sure that's what you were going for.
Hey, remember how Taylor has been cheating with scratch tickets and buying/cashing them while underage?

Also, running away from home isn't a crime.
 
to our knowledge, Danny has yet to turn in the paperwork that registers Taylor as a Ward
Wrapping up everything had taken longer than he thought, and as he pulled into the driveway he could see the kitchen lights shining through the window. Taylor was likely home and fixing dinner by now if he was not mistaken. He sat there for a long moment in the truck, looking at the folder sitting in the passenger seat and wrestling with himself.
It's not 100% proof, but considering his previous mindset and what Taylor's precog has possibly told her to make her run, I'm happy to take it.

At this point, as far as I can tell, Taylor is a Ward. That means that her actions regarding use of powers, her identity, her civilian identity, and, according to her, basically everything, is under the control of the PRT and if she does anything she's breaking the contract and can be punished under law.

She just flew out of her window, with or without her costume. Unless they've given her permission to leave her house at night, or to leave home entirely, that's not something the contract allows, so she's a criminal.

If she goes to her friends? That's acting without consulting the PRT chain of command.

She's out at night, by herself, without telling anyone what she's doing. Yeah, they don't want that.

We have absolutely no indication that Taylor has, or will become, a criminal.
They might not pull her up on it. It's not something most people, even in the PRT, would care about, but that doesn't change the fact that she's currently acting as a criminal by the terms of the contract her father legally signed for her.

Also, running away from home isn't a crime.
Sure it is. She's abandoning the living conditions the PRT has elected her to use/continue using, breaking their rules. Breaking their rules is now a crime for her.
 
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Still Danny breaking Taylor's trust.

He doesn't get any sympathy from me, especially in stories such as this where he only cares after she gets powers.

Sure Taylor really fails to communicate her problems, but still...18 months without realizing her best friend,almost sister, wasn't a friend anymore. So 18 months of negligence, only to have a complete about face when she get's outed as a cape.
Taylor has repeatedly done her best to hide all evidence of bullying, even after she was sent to the locker. Former friends become estranged over time; her not hanging out with Emma isn't worthy of too much concern.

Hey my 15 year old little girl wants to go running around seedy areas at time during highest drug trafficking.

"Oh I know I'll give her Pepper spray! What could possibly go wrong" (yes I know the Chekhov here...)
Okay. So... what would your solution be? I'm pretty sure she can't be registered to carry a firearm yet, and unless you want Danny to keep her under house arrest there's no better solution.

Okay, buying her a cell phone would help, but they both have trauma about that.

Then he goes and ignore all her protests and signs her up for a program designed to put Children in danger in order to facilitate their growth as heroes....

Danny.

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False. Brockton Bay is an exception.

I can get laying some of the blame on Danny. He's not innocent. But you (and a lot of others) seem to be laying the blame solely on Danny's feet.

Really, most of you are acting very two-faced about this. You say that Danny hasn't shown concern for Taylor, then condemn his actions for showing too much concern?

Danny himself admitted he screwed up, and he isn't quite sure how to fix things. So he's going to the professionals, people who are experienced in these matters. Admitting he can't do this alone is a sign of good character.
 
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That was as close to the perfect conclusion to the arc as you could get :)

Taylor seems to be operating on the principle of "stab me in the back once, shame on you; stab me in the back twice, shame on me".
^This is the problem. Taylor, here and in canon, has a very black and white, us and them mentality. You're either with her or against her, her friend or her enemy, trusted or never to be trusted under any circumstances. Once she's made up her mind, she doesn't change it easily.

The PRT and Protectorate 'proved' they weren't on her side through their actions, so to her that means they're automatically against her. From her pov, she's being forced to obey the whims and fancies of enemies who are already actively working against her. pretty much everyone would object to that.

That her view doesn't perfectly match reality doesn't change what that view is.

What I find most odd is what Taylor focuses on when thinking about the Wards. Her biggest issue seems to be the lack of control over how she fights and what she wears. It feels really petty.
Not 'just' the lack of control, it's giving that control to people she thinks are against her who she actively distrusts.

Ironic, though, that Taylor's short-term precognition is what shot her in the foot in the long term. Looking forwards and seeing there wasn't an immediate win for her made her not want to even try, which is what lead Danny down the road of believing she didn't have a good reason to dislike joining the Wards.
This is her second biggest problem and tied with the one above. If she can't 'win' right now, that means she's 'lost', so there's no point in trying at all. If you know, with 100% absolute certainty that nothing you can do will win you an argument, why would you bother arguing? And with her pre-cog, she does have that 100% absolute certainty.

And yes, I know it might help in the long-run, but actually expecting a human being to think rationally and play the long-game while in a high-stress, highly emotional situation is laughably naive.

I'm honestly very surprised that the paperwork includes coming to anyone's aid at all.
The affiliate paperwork has that clause, not the paperwork for joining the Wards. It requires coming to the Ward's/Protectorate's aid if they ask, not to the aid of random bystanders.

I think your quote tags are messed up.
 
Sure it is. She's abandoning the living conditions the PRT has elected her to use/continue using, breaking their rules. Breaking their rules is now a crime for her.
No. That's not how contracts work.
Also, living conditions are not something she mentions them having authority over, and it wouldn't make sense for them to have such authority. Getting that authority when necessary (e.g. abusive home, orphans) would be best done through established methods.
 
The PRT and Protectorate 'proved' they weren't on her side through their actions, so to her that means they're automatically against her. From her pov, she's being forced to obey the whims and fancies of enemies who are already actively working against her. pretty much everyone would object to that.

That her view doesn't perfectly match reality doesn't change what that view is.
The fact that the option she was considering most involved some partnership with the PRT as an affiliate even if it wasn't as close as being a full ward contradicts that assertion. She certainly doesn't trust them as much but she is not actively viewing them as enemies here. She's actually being pretty mature about that at this point, though that is in no small part due to the PRT's own damage control.

This is her second biggest problem and tied with the one above. If she can't 'win' right now, that means she's 'lost', so there's no point in trying at all. If you know, with 100% absolute certainty that nothing you can do will win you an argument, why would you bother arguing? And with her pre-cog, she does have that 100% absolute certainty.

And yes, I know it might help in the long-run, but actually expecting a human being to think rationally and play the long-game while in a high-stress, highly emotional situation is laughably naive.
This is straight up true, having a "what will happen" button is conversely having a very negative impact on Taylor's long term planning ability.
 
To be fair I don't really think Taylor minds that one too much.
Well, she points out in the text that it's very easy for the PRT to abuse that clause.

chibipoe said:
The only caveat in all of it was that on occasion, they wanted me to patrol with a Ward and if they called me, I was required to assist them.

I bit my lip, thinking of how easily they could use that against me. Just having a Ward or Protectorate member asking for my assistance regularly and having to answer to retain my freedom of action as an Affiliate would suffice. If I refused, there was a section mentioning that or negligence could result in legal action against me or the nullification of the affiliate agreement. Somehow, I didn't expect that it was going to be that simple if it came to that.
 
Well, it seems I predicted wrong about Danny submitting the paperwork. Oh well.

Based on her previous behavior in this fic, she is probably going to one of her thinking spots. Not the Boat Graveyard though. The Protectorate already knows that one. Assuming Glory Girl doesn't stop by, when she calms down, she will probably see about getting a hotel and maybe dinner.

She definitely hasn't done anything yet which qualifies as breaching contract, much less criminally. How could she? The PRT hasn't given her any instructions and she technically doesn't even know she has been signed up as a Ward. If she continues to use her precog to avoid hearing about it, she can maintain this state of affairs for quite some time. The PRT hasn't tested her abilities, so they can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that she knows she is a Ward until they successfully contact her.

The sooner she meets Carol, the better. Carol can be perfectly reasonable about subjects which don't involve villainy or her other daughter. While she might desire for Taylor to join New Wave (who wouldn't), I am confident that between Vicky's explanation and meeting Taylor firsthand, she will be able to put that aside. While Taylor is resistant to the idea of revealing her secret identity to more people, as going to Carol would almost certainly involve, she probably understands that the situation has moved out of something she can deal with on her own. If she is to escape being under the PRT's thumb, she needs legal support, and Vicky has been nothing but helpful so far.
 
Avoiding the Boat Graveyard? That place is 30 seconds away from being vaporized. It would be pretty cool if she flew off the handle, went Fiery Chicken on something, and woke up with a memory blank in the middle of the wreckage.
 
Looking at Danny's view on Taylor's lack of evidence and support, I can kinda see where he is coming from. In his place, I would have talked to someone about her allegations about the director wanting more wards on the street. He might have in the time we didn't see, but I don't think he did.
 
Based on her previous behavior in this fic, she is probably going to one of her thinking spots. Not the Boat Graveyard though. The Protectorate already knows that one. Assuming Glory Girl doesn't stop by, when she calms down, she will probably see about getting a hotel and maybe dinner.
Or she could find a phone book, look up the Dallons, and go to their house. Nothing could go wrong.
 
I like how people here are happy to let teenagers go and run around with the equivalent WMDs at their disposal.

Taylor has neither the training nor the head space to be running around fighting crime alone.

Coming from Danny's perspective and the general knowledge a civilian has of the PRT, its only logical to sign her up and force her if you have to. Anything else is just being irresponcible.
 
I like how people here are happy to let teenagers go and run around with the equivalent WMDs at their disposal.

Taylor has neither the training nor the head space to be running around fighting crime alone.

Coming from Danny's perspective and the general knowledge a civilian has of the PRT, its only logical to sign her up and force her if you have to. Anything else is just being irresponcible.
Perhaps you've missed that Taylor has had support on most of her outings thus far, like has been pointed out several times?
 
I like how people here are happy to let teenagers go and run around with the equivalent WMDs at their disposal.

Taylor has neither the training nor the head space to be running around fighting crime alone.

Coming from Danny's perspective and the general knowledge a civilian has of the PRT, its only logical to sign her up and force her if you have to. Anything else is just being irresponcible.
Perhaps you've missed that Taylor has had support on most of her outings thus far, like has been pointed out several times?

While that's true Landcollector, he does still have a point.

Danny's problem is he is completely unwilling to even contemplate compromise.

If he had bothered to talk with Taylor and find out more before going off half cocked, he would find out she's not going out alone. Shes been going out with friends and other heroes and drawing support from them.

If he was smart he would have asked to talk to Victoria or even her mom and arranged some kind of more structured support system with them.

But no. Hes being stubborn. Hes letting fear control him.

Fear is the path to the dark side.
 
Perhaps you've missed that Taylor has had support on most of her outings thus far, like has been pointed out several times?
Well two things. One Taylor has never told him and refuses to try. Sure you can say the word pre-cog all you want but that means Taylor is just avoiding the issue all together. Two other than Vicky her only support is two other teen girls with just as many resources as Taylor. That isn't better.
 
Well two things. One Taylor has never told him and refuses to try. Sure you can say the word pre-cog all you want but that means Taylor is just avoiding the issue all together. Two other than Vicky her only support is two other teen girls with just as many resources as Taylor. That isn't better.
Actually it means that Danny's too stubborn and tunnel sighted to consider alternate ideas or compromises that may actually work now that he's already reached a decision. (Bad)

And

That Taylor is too caught up in pre-cog to leave ear worms and plan for the more distant future the results of which she can't immediately see. (also bad).

As was previously discussed.
 
I like how people here are happy to let teenagers go and run around with the equivalent WMDs at their disposal.
I get the feeling that people do care about that, it's more the whole "Hey, let's try to force teenagers with WMD equivalents to do what we want without consulting them or with their explicit refusal." that's the issue.

If Taylor wanted to join the Wards, we'd probably be happy with it and be busy debating how long it would take for them to realize what just got dropped on their plate. But she doesn't. She specifically doesn't. The reasons for it don't matter.

If you have a terrorist with a crazy ideal and a WMD, you don't poke them with a stick in the hopes that they'll go along with what you want, you take them seriously.
 
I like how people here are happy to let teenagers go and run around with the equivalent WMDs at their disposal.

And I like how you are supporting indenture servitude at best or slavery at worst

Coming from Danny's perspective and the general knowledge a civilian has of the PRT, its only logical to sign her up and force her if you have to. Anything else is just being irresponcible.

The problem with this is the fact that he has a daughter with powers now. As soon as he knew this he should have been getting as much information as possible. I would say that it is irresponsible to make any decision about this with only general knowledge of the prt. If you are enlisting your daughter in a paramilitary group you better know as much about as humanly possible.

You do have a point that she needs training. Not once did Danny ask what would you do instead of joining the wards. So for all he knows she has a plan to get said training or has been getting it.

I view Danny as seeing that he failed massively as a parent for two years. So Danny is set on doing something to prove that he still cares to Taylor and himself.
 
Perhaps you've missed that Taylor has had support on most of her outings thus far, like has been pointed out several times?

Victoria who, if canon holds true, is a loose cannon and has engaged in willful endangerment because she has sister than can potentially correct all her fuck ups.

Hanibi and Rockshow two teenagers with more cape experience than Taylor and have engaged in crime fighting for some time. Still only teenagers with a very small support network and an extremely small margin for error.

The fact that they are even out fighting crime, to me, esepcially with so few redunacies speaks volumes about their mentor.

I guess its better than nothing, not by much, but better than nothing.

Add in one heaping batch of Phoenix and you've a stew brewing.
 
Well two things. One Taylor has never told him and refuses to try. Sure you can say the word pre-cog all you want but that means Taylor is just avoiding the issue all together. Two other than Vicky her only support is two other teen girls with just as many resources as Taylor. That isn't better.
The problem with the Taylor didn't try so danny doesn't have to is it assumes a relationship of equals, in with case danny can't do the things he did. Danny wants to both have his position as parent but not the responsibility of being the bigger person, I usually don't think parental guidance is a bad thing if the parents are....well good at being parents and superiors in general, sadly danny is shit atvit as he wants to be not responsible for being the adult but wants and exercises the rights that come with being said adult.
 
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