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Galeiam said:
Considering the fact that Accelerator is a science based Pheonix lite.

Threat scale?
What threat scale.

But it all really depends on how big shard she has.
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She doesn't have a shard. Phoenix Force basically Nope'ed it out of existence. Or at least, Taylor doesn't have Queen Admin.

For powers, she has the actual Phoenix Force. She isn't a Parahuman, but rather a Metahuman in a sense.

Which I found weird. Why "Parahuman" of all names? Parahuman literally means "Less then or not quite human" or "Something that is human-like or has human qualities."
 
Galeiam said:
Considering the fact that Accelerator is a science based Pheonix lite.
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I'm not really seeing the parallels here beyond telekinesis and control of vectors. Accelerator powers are missing a lot to be considered Phoenix-lite (telepathy and its related powers come to mind, just to start with).
Galeiam said:
Threat scale?
What threat scale.
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I assume you mean that nothing was really a challenge for Accelerator!Taylor, combat-wise, and that the Phoenix could curb stomp all the examples I gave, bar Dark Phoenix. While this is true, the scale I gave was meant to compare the threats to each other, not the amount of difficulty Taylor would have facing them in battle. In the Leviathan example, Accelerator!Taylor threw him around with relative ease, but Leviathan is still less powerful/dangerous than Scion on a rampage, but more powerful than street level parahuman violence. Sorry if that wasn't exactly clear.
Galeiam said:
But it all really depends on how big shard she has.
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I have no idea what you're trying to say here, but this Taylor doesn't even have a shard, if I'm understanding things correctly.
 
Dr. Mercurious said:
I actually have that issue. DAMN, Thanos, got some ointment for that burn?
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I've long since lost those. Which saddens me. Issue 5 of the IG miniseries, iirc.

My favorite moment when the dust settles and Adam has the gauntlet... Nebula pitches a fit and is like: "What right does he have to the gauntlet?"

Adam's response: "The right of possession. That is enough." Like: Bitch, please. I have absolute power. I don't need any other rights but being the person wearing the gauntlet.
 
Sasha said:
I'm not really seeing the parallels here beyond telekinesis and control of vectors. Accelerator powers are missing a lot to be considered Phoenix-lite (telepathy and its related powers come to mind, just to start with).

I assume you mean that nothing was really a challenge for Accelerator!Taylor, combat-wise, and that the Phoenix could curb stomp all the examples I gave, bar Dark Phoenix. While this is true, the scale I gave was meant to compare the threats to each other, not the amount of difficulty Taylor would have facing them in battle. In the Leviathan example, Accelerator!Taylor threw him around with relative ease, but Leviathan is still less powerful/dangerous than Scion on a rampage, but more powerful than street level parahuman violence. Sorry if that wasn't exactly clear.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here, but this Taylor doesn't even have a shard, if I'm understanding things correctly.
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Um...I'm talking about the actual Toaru No Index Accelerator....the one with Magic and Angelic-tier powers...

Even comparing threats...unless dark pheonix for some inane reason shows up what is there to Challenge her?

How much of the Pheonix Force she contains i.e. Shard.
Jean Grey-Full
My money is on this one since she has been having Jean moments.
I guess the TOAA got sick of her respawn camping.

Hope Summers

Scot Summers

Assorted randoms who keep showing up with it.
 
And that...has nothing to do with what you are quoting....unless you pulled the wrong part...

That quote is about the parallels of Accelerator's powers and Pheonix(Jean Grey)

As for the threat thing...

I'm drawing a blank on what the hell you could mean other than what you are saying....

If you're comparing them, how are they not being compared.

Dissemination Is scary shit and effectively brings everything that exists on a material plane down to a 0 on the threat scale.

Heading into Spacewhale magic Bullshit, the Entities shall face the cleansing Fires of Rebirth!

That or she just Mind wipes them....

Go a bit more in depth on what you mean by Scale...

When you compare the level that Pheonix operate at to those under it's almost exponential in the difference.

I'm not disputing the scale sasha is using or what it represents, I was making a separate statement as to...what does it even matter.

It's all gonna boil down to character interactions.
 
*looks at the last few posts* You know... I have no idea what is being said here or being discussed. Was I just not paying attention or something?
 
Galeiam said:
Um...I'm talking about the actual Toaru No Index Accelerator....the one with Magic and Angelic-tier powers...
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My bad, I didn't realize that. The only knowledge I have of To Aru is from looking briefly at the Wiki after discovering Chibipoe's Acceleration. It seems that I wrongly assumed that Canon!Accelerator and Accelerator!Taylor had the same powerset.

Galeiam said:
I'm not disputing the scale sasha is using or what it represents, I was making a separate statement as to...what does it even matter.

It's all gonna boil down to character interactions.
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I never said it necessarily mattered, I was just curious about the matter so I decided to ask Chibipoe.

chibipoe said:
*looks at the last few posts* You know... I have no idea what is being said here or being discussed. Was I just not paying attention or something?
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I was asking what we could expect from enemies/threats in terms of power/danger levels (i.e. parahuman gang violence, Endbringers, Scion, multiple Entities, etc.).

I think there was a misunderstanding somewhere along the way, but I have no clue what it was.

EDIT: The post with my original question.
 
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Larekko12 said:
Sorry I meant tranqued and kidnapped in broad daylight with only being able to do massive property damage to defend yourself that would not have in fact saved you as you wen unconscious to shuttled off by the second wave or if they'd decided to cut the middle man and poison you fatally. Or follow up the tranq with flashbangs and more long range disorientation.
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Correction. Tranqed and successfully fended off a kidnapping.

And we have no evidence that she caused any property damage, since it was admittedly really blurry when she used her TK. But all we know for sure is she aimed her TK at the weapons and crushed, probably seriously hurting the mercs in the process. Which would be the only reason Coil would have abandoned that, assuming he knew she was Sirin beforehand, and not just a powerful precog.
Larekko12 said:
Coil killing danny in an alt time line to test and accidentally having to keep it.
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Who says he'd have to keep it? She remembers the alt-timelines.
 
Selonianth said:
Correction. Tranqed and successfully fended off a kidnapping.

And we have no evidence that she caused any property damage, since it was admittedly really blurry when she used her TK. But all we know for sure is she aimed her TK at the weapons and crushed, probably seriously hurting the mercs in the process. Which would be the only reason Coil would have abandoned that, assuming he knew she was Sirin beforehand, and not just a powerful precog.
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The mercs got seriously hurt and she fired an uncontrolled pulse of tk that rocked shelves and made a general mess. TT got clipped/hurt, which is part of the reason he dropped that one. A pity for him too, since it was, hypothetically, a perfect opportunity if he had waited a few minutes more. But he knows she'll succumb to tranqs now... so next attempt, if there is one, may be successful. Or he may try something else entirely. Who can say?
 
chibipoe said:
The mercs got seriously hurt and she fired an uncontrolled pulse of tk that rocked shelves and made a general mess. TT got clipped/hurt, which is part of the reason he dropped that one. A pity for him too, since it was, hypothetically, a perfect opportunity if he had waited a few minutes more. But he knows she'll succumb to tranqs now... so next attempt, if there is one, may be successful. Or he may try something else entirely. Who can say?
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Plus, it is up in the air I suppose if there was a second group. With his first out of commission and TT knocked out, chances are by the time he could move more into position to try, police and PRT/Protectorate would be on the scene I imagine.
 
chibipoe said:
The mercs got seriously hurt and she fired an uncontrolled pulse of tk that rocked shelves and made a general mess. TT got clipped/hurt, which is part of the reason he dropped that one. A pity for him too, since it was, hypothetically, a perfect opportunity if he had waited a few minutes more. But he knows she'll succumb to tranqs now... so next attempt, if there is one, may be successful. Or he may try something else entirely. Who can say?
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Well sure tranq's will work, but he's also trying to kidnap a powerful telekinetic... seems like a recipe for disaster more than just kidnapping a stupidly powerful precog is.
 
Selonianth said:
Well sure tranq's will work, but he's also trying to kidnap a powerful telekinetic... seems like a recipe for disaster more than just kidnapping a stupidly powerful precog is.
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Well, true. But he isn't stupid. Overreaching himself when he thought he'd won and was the unwitting victim of a campaign that blindsided him, sure, but not dumb. One would figure he would believe he had the means to keep such a person contained and/or compliant.
 
chibipoe said:
Well, true. But he isn't stupid. Overreaching himself when he thought he'd won and was the unwitting victim of a campaign that blindsided him, sure, but not dumb. One would figure he would believe he had the means to keep such a person contained and/or compliant.
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Trapping a Phoenix host on the other hand... Oops, did you need that? I believe I may have 'accidentally' flattened your base :p.

Oh the joys of seeing the big picture :D
 
Pyrotech51 said:
Trapping a Phoenix host on the other hand... Oops, did you need that? I believe I may have 'accidentally' flattened your base :p.

Oh the joys of seeing the big picture :D
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Coil is still convinced he can take her, addict her to something, and force her to work for him. He doesn't know what the upper limit on her telekinesis is. (Hurting people and rocking bookshelves is different than ripping a building apart..)

As for taking her down, he could always get some tinker-tech grenades with some form of knock-out gas, a grenade launcher, and go after her at home in her sleep. She isn't invulnerable.

Yes, I know, she can see that coming. Doesn't mean she would see it in enough time to "dodge" the kidnapping attempt.
 
Yup Coil is going to learn the hard way what it feels like to be ripped apart molecule by molecule
 
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