They need George too. The guy who got cut out of an early draft of Apocrypha for being too hard to kill (in a story that contains the likes of Achilles and Karna).
Fate/Sunny Order (FGO)
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They worked together long enough to bail out Hakuno iirc. We don't know what sort of leash Jalter has over Tams.
Plus, I was basically spitballing. I don't actually think they're creating Unlimited Casko Works here.
Z000
If this is trash, then find me in the dumpster
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- Viet Nam
i think you got it backward
Tamamo 9 Tails mode bail out Hakuno and then drop all her tails to go back to normal
thus spawning the Tamamo 9 and unleashing their horror upon the world
* point at Tamamo Ending in CCC*
Seihai-kun
[Unverified Wish Granting Device]
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- Brasil
Glorious glorious ending filled with fluffy tail to touch. As soon as they're all defeated and not trying to murder me.
Z000
If this is trash, then find me in the dumpster
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- Viet Nam
Male Hakuno was like " oh come on"
and Female Hakuno was all like " this is the best thing ever"
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
And this is why Female Hakuno is best
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Male Hakuno was like " oh come on"
and Female Hakuno was all like " this is the best thing ever"
I dunno, that sweat makes her look pretty panicked... (rehosted pic so people can see it, since wikia automatically thumbnails pictures you link to)
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
She just knows
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Sakuya's Butler
A refined Butler to a knife wielding Mistress.
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- ↓, ↘, → + Punch
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
It was as presented as that they might be.
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
See I would be, but that's not Extella.
I think you're confusing Witchcraft with Wishcraft there. The former allow you to curse stuff, the later make you a magical Whale.
Nope! In the Nasuverse, Curses are distortions of destiny, enacted through means not particularly elaborated on in the text. Since they're knots of human karma they are very big business; the only things that can break a Nasuverse Curse are Divine-tier artifacts and the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.
呪術, Witchcraft/Cursecraft, represents an affinity to and ability to enact such Curses at one's will, and a rank of EX in that skill...
Yeah. No. Terrifying.
It's also not actually clear that she even needs a large prana supply; that's just a guess on my part. Curses are known to be enactable through pure will, usually backed by strong emotion - meaning it's entirely possible that I'm totally wrong and she can do EX-ranked unbreakable bullshit for cheap.
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Academic Guardian
Just an old man with a hobby
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As an example, Gae Bolg which applies a curse that reverses causality is rank B. Just B and hell not even close to ranking EX which means it is beyond human measure. The only way to effectively defend against the attack is to have a high enough degree of luck or divine protection as to be able to alter fate, which would be heightened by also having good reflexive instincts, an auto-resurrection ability, a shield that overwhelms the magical energy of the lance, or, as a countermeasure of knowing it will strike the heart, by following Archer's strategy of quickly backing out of the attack's range before it is initialized
EX rank Witchcraft lore wise is no joke and arguably makes Tammy one of the scariest servants lore wise.
Luck can also break them. To an extent.
Difference between breaking a curse and telling it to take a hike is academic.
I think that's more of a "Luck save to negate" thing at the point of initial cast, but I'm not certain.
(Also, I kinda doubt that you can actually emulate a B-rank NP with B-rank Cursecraft, anymore than Medea's A-rank Rain of Light can really match the output of an A-rank Noble Phantasm. NPs are on a different scale, usually. But maybe. Herk's God Hand implies that there's a real sense in which Medea's Magecraft does have the same existential weight as Gram or Excalibur.)
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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Rank C Noble Phantasm is the equivalent of A or A+ level attack, so technically you can, you just need a really powerful attack.
That's just in terms of raw amount of energy, not conceptual strength. A C rank NP and an A rank spell.
Seihai-kun
[Unverified Wish Granting Device]
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- Brasil
There's no such thing as "conceptual weight" or "conceptual strength". There's interaction between concepts and usually the winner should be the "strongest or oldest mystery" (and by that I mean "the writer decides"), but there's nothing saying an A Rank spell can't trump an C Rank NP by rank alone.
Strictly speaking this is true; however, Mystery is often described in Nasu's work as "weight of one's existence," somewhat metaphorically.
... I think. Now that I think about it I'm not sure if I have a cite for that. I'll get back to you if I remember.
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- USA
Out of curiosity, would Excalibur win against Rhongomyniad? I mean, of the two weapons that define the Arthur mythology, the sword is much more well known than the lance.
Zap Rowsdower
Ex-cultist vagrant
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- Bright lights, big city
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- He/Him
Naturally; Sabers have a type advantage over Lancers.
By the same token, Excalibur Vivian would lose to Rhongomyniad.
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all fictions
I hate you! (it's not against the rules!)
- Location
- Mons Regius
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- He/Him
What would fame have to do with it? It's a boost for heroes, not their weapons (and even then it's negligible).
Academic Guardian
Just an old man with a hobby
- Location
- Somewhere in the twisting Kaleidoscope
Well leaving aside mechanics of FGO it would be Excalibur, not Excalibur Vivian, not Exacalibur Morgan, not Sercret-Calibur, not Rhongomyniad nor Carnwenhau. Offensively at least, I still await the day I see Saber's Avalon manifest.
To quote Irisviel. A prayer named Glory. It is the blade of mankind's most beloved lord, the actualization of her ideals and the symbol of her heroism. Her last and greatest Noble Phantasm.
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It is a Last Phantasm, one of the ultimate Divine Constructs created by the Earth from the mankind's hopes and dreams. It was used to defeat the White Titan in days long past and will only show its true power when it is needed. (aka plot) It is a sword that just by existing make the world a better place.
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