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Shipgirls would either qualify as Riders or their own non-standard Servant classes.
 
The larger problem with Kancolle-inspired Servants is, to me, that the actual ship isn't especially relevant to the sheet. A sheet for, say....Ashigara would have at best minor differences as compared to sheets for Houston or Zara. Even comparing say....Mutsuki to Yamato, the differences would largely be in the value of the stats more than anything else.

You'd have to dig really far into the memes to get something that feels like that ship, rather than just a ship that happens to be that one.
 
Krika said:
Even comparing say....Mutsuki to Yamato, the differences would largely be in the value of the stats more than anything else.
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The difference would be quite massive actually because you have to take into account the history and legend surrounding the ship as well. I kinda like @Harry Leferts interpretation of Shipgirls in his fic where they are the amalgamated essence of all those who serve on the ship including famous individuals onboard and the symbol of the nation's military might.

Certain shipgirls also has certain abilities that is not tied to their specs but rather their legend. Russian shipgirl Aurora for example are not allowed to fire a blank shell towards the shoreline for fear of signalling a revolution that ties to her role during the Russian revolutions. So Yamato would not only has the stats by her side but also has the legend as the largest battleship in history and as the Japanese Hail Mary. And in the Nasuverse, the legend and the age matters.
 
Something that's off topic but I've been wondering; assuming Heracles now has his axe from his third ascension, who made it and how did they make it strong enough that Herc wouldn't crush it like a beer can?
 
Hellfire Man said:
Something that's off topic but I've been wondering; assuming Heracles now has his axe from his third ascension, who made it and how did they make it strong enough that Herc wouldn't crush it like a beer can?
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It was mentioned in a previous chapter but Medea made a new one for him.

He's also at Ascension 3 now, same as Saber (happened sometime before Chapter 14), who are currently the only Ascension 3 Servants in Chaldea.
 
Swordomatic said:
It was mentioned in a previous chapter but Medea made a new one for him.

He's also at Ascension 3 now, same as Saber (happened sometime before Chapter 14), who are currently the only Ascension 3 Servants in Chaldea.
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This incidentally tracks with my own gameplay experience. As it was only after I cleared London that that I started having a good cross-section of servants that had hit final Ascension. Incidentally due to the New Year's guaranteed SSR gacha my own experience with the DaVinci event when similar to how it played out hear.
 
Dark Mage said:
Well, as Kancolle has shown, carrier can be Archers.
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Krika said:
The larger problem with Kancolle-inspired Servants is, to me, that the actual ship isn't especially relevant to the sheet. A sheet for, say....Ashigara would have at best minor differences as compared to sheets for Houston or Zara. Even comparing say....Mutsuki to Yamato, the differences would largely be in the value of the stats more than anything else.

You'd have to dig really far into the memes to get something that feels like that ship, rather than just a ship that happens to be that one.
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Exactly, that's Kancolle, not Fate.

We've had several examples of Servants with ships in Fate, and so far every single one has been a Rider with the ship as their 'mount'\Noble Phantasm. So following Fate rules it seems pretty clear that a Shipgirl Heroic Spirit would be either a Rider or a Non-Standard Servant Class, probably 'Warship' or something rather than specific 'ship classes' as Servant Classes trend towards being relatively general.

Of course, Shipgirls blur the lines between Heroic Spirits and Noble Phantasms, and they would technically qualify as both Heroic Spirit and Noble Phantasm simultaneously, which would open doors for all kinds of conceptual shenanigans and could possibly make the Non-Standard Servant Class something along the lines of 'Tsukumogami' instead.

Daniel03 said:
The difference would be quite massive actually because you have to take into account the history and legend surrounding the ship as well. I kinda like @Harry Leferts interpretation of Shipgirls in his fic where they are the amalgamated essence of all those who serve on the ship including famous individuals onboard and the symbol of the nation's military might.

Certain shipgirls also has certain abilities that is not tied to their specs but rather their legend. Russian shipgirl Aurora for example are not allowed to fire a blank shell towards the shoreline for fear of signalling a revolution that ties to her role during the Russian revolutions. So Yamato would not only has the stats by her side but also has the legend as the largest battleship in history and as the Japanese Hail Mary. And in the Nasuverse, the legend and the age matters.
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The history and legend of the ship would manifest as part of the Shipgirl's Noble Phantasm in some way, given that technically the 'hull' would be the Noble Phantasm, the history and legend aspect would likely manifest as the Noble Phantasms 'activated' form; like the Aurora inciting revolution with a salvo of blank shells, with the 'hull' being the Noble Phantasm's 'passive' form. It's not at all uncommon for Noble Phantasms to have passive and active forms, and the nature of an 'avatar'-type Shipgirl basically requires that her 'hull' be present normally, which necessitates a passive NP as the various ship-using Riders have fairly conclusively defined ship hulls as Noble Phantasms.

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She's Leonardo Da Vinci. She transcends levels. She's a genius.
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Da Vinci is whatever level she wants to be; it's not like anyone can stop her.
 
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My personal opinion is that any shipgirls got summoned without 7-class restriction, she'll get Alter Ego by default simply because she's basically amalgamation of her crews, commander, builder, and ideas.
 
Neruz said:
Of course, Shipgirls blur the lines between Heroic Spirits and Noble Phantasms, and they would technically qualify as both Heroic Spirit and Noble Phantasm simultaneously, which would open doors for all kinds of conceptual shenanigans and could possibly make the Non-Standard Servant Class something along the lines of 'Tsukumogami' instead.
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We have precedent for these shenanigans; after all, Enkidu is technically a sentient Noble Phantasm, who just happened to be summoned as a Lancer because it can transform into a spear made of chains. So going by that precedent, a Shipgirl would be even more likely to be a Rider.
 
Sir Plusse said:
We have precedent for these shenanigans; after all, Enkidu is technically a sentient Noble Phantasm, who just happened to be summoned as a Lancer because it can transform into a spear made of chains. So going by that precedent, a Shipgirl would be even more likely to be a Rider.
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That is a very good point, though he is summoned as 'False' Lancer and the Snowfield Grail War is notable for being more flexible with regards to the entities it can summon as Servants; as seen with the summoning of False Rider, whose true identity is the Pale Rider, the concept of Disease given mind and form and not actually a Heroic Spirit or Divine Spirit at all.

Still, it shows that there is precedent for a sentient embodied Noble Phantasm to be summoned as the class that fits the weapon form of the Noble Phantasm, which further supports the likelihood that a Shipgirl would qualify for the Rider class.
 
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Chapter Okeanos - Pt. 2
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    • "Cap'n! Ship ta starboard!"

    With a grunt, Captain Drake pulled a spyglass from her belt and looked right, as did Ritsuka. "I don't see the ship," Drake mumbles.

    "Same," Ritsuka grunts. He looks around and spots his sister looking left instead, so he spins on his heel and bops her on the head. "Kana, you idiot, starboard is right!"

    "Yeah, but the ship's there," she replies, before countering with a bop of her own. She points, and there the enemy ship is, close enough to see the black flag that hangs from its mast. This time Drake sees it, and her frown only deepens.

    "...Mister Shames, get Smithy off tha Crow's Nest before he gets us killed by missin' an island."

    "Aye, cap'n!"

    She closes her spyglass and looks about. "Prepare fer boardin', lads. We've got pirates."

    And like that, every Chaldean's blood runs cold. "Like, Blackbeard?" Ritsuka asks.

    "I suppose," the Captain shrugs. She tilts her head. "He a legend in tha future?"

    Ritsuka spares a glare in Kana's direction, where his sister is already sinking towards the ground and trying to dig her way down into the brig. "Something like that," he nods. "I'm not sure he's that much of a danger, though, that ship can't be less than, what, six hundred meters away. He's not even broadside." The sun flashes for a moment. "Wait, what was that?"

    "ROAD ROLLER DA!"

    And then a wooden road roller crashes into the deck, right on top of Herakles and Medusa.

    For a half-second, Ritsuka blinks. He rubs his eyes. Mashu tilts her head forty five degrees just to get dutch enough to try and understand the reference. It suddenly clicks. "...WAIT BUT THAT MEANS--"

    A number of things happen in the next three seconds.

    First, Medea cries out as a bullet cracks through her right shoulder and sends her onto the deck, long before the sound of a gunshot reaches the ship over the crashing waves.

    Next, Atalanta gets crushed beneath Medea after jumping to alert over her friend getting shot, not realising she was in a position to get crushed by the witch.

    Then the scourge of the seas lands atop the wooden roller, embedded halfway through the deck, with a heavy thud. He shrieks, loud and shrill, with his hands clawed, his chest bared skyward and his hips thrusted. He bellows a warcry, one that will sear itself into legend many hundreds of years into the future.

    "WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!"

    And then he starts punching the road roller, deeper and deeper into the ship, until it is level with the deck and Ritsuka realises he is down four Servants in a matter of seconds.

    Before he knows it, before the crew of the Golden Hind can get into position, they are surrounded. A blonde beauty in the crow's nest, armed with a long rifle. A petite snow-haired pirate with a cutlass on the masts, ready to intercept any who would make the first move. And the legendary pirate himself, Blackbeard, strutting towards Queen Elizabeth in her pirating phase, slumming the most languid strut he has ever seen, while wearing an oppai hoodie unzipped and with nothing underneath.

    And he's even wearing a green heart headband. Truly, he has no words.

    Wait, no, he has a few. "Kana, this is entirely your fucking fault!"

    "OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DOOOOOOONE?!!"

    "...Oh dear,"     Leonardo comments over the commlink while sounding not the least bit concerned, "It seems that whatever you did to Blackbeard has propagated back to the Throne of Heroes and altered his Spirit Origin permanently! You have done what even All the World's Evils could not, Kana; you corrupted a Heroic Spirit!"

    "THAT'S NOT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF!" Both Kana and Ritsuka scream.

    "...Ah, Romani, don't bang your head on the console, that's not professional~"

    "AAAAAAAAAALRIGHT now we're gonna take yer loot an' yer shinies an'--holy shit are those real?" Blackbeard looks around and spots Mashu and Kana. "OHHHHHH! UUUUOOOOOOOHHHHH! 3DDDDDDDD!"

    "M-Master?" Mashu looks over at Ritsuka with frightened eyes. "Orders? Those eyes are scary, s-so... W-What do we do??"

    A flash of anger lights up inside him. "Hey, asshole! Stop perving on my--" The snow-haired raven lands in front of him suddenly with a sword at his throat. "--sister, servant, and support."

    "Ohhhhh, a normie!" Blackbeard stomps up to him, hand in his hoodie pockets. "Tells ya what! Ya get onna these girls ta strip an' do a lil' dance, an I'll let this ship go with just tha' shiny cup the big red with tha popped out cans' got on her. Aights?"

    "Hands off, scurvy dog," Drake glowers, which is met with an ominous gun cock.

    Ritsuka snarls and the cutlass gets closer. He thinks of a plan. Dammit, he's not good in these sort of situations. Normally he rides the edge of anger to get clarity, but right now he's just so mad he just wants to put his fists in that fat scraggly face! If only Kana were here, she'd--ohhhh it's perfect revenge twice over! "Don't touch my fucking sister, you degenerate!"

    "Ahhhh yer sister! Tha' broad kneelin' over there?" He looks over and licks his lips. "Now tha's hot!"

    Dear god he's branched out into memes in general.

    "That's probably a bad idea, Captain," a scruffy man with a beard and a curiously armoured right arm sighs, right at the helm. "First of all, those are just kids. You sure you're going to do that?" How'd he get there? With the spear over his shoulder, he should have been spotted immediately. And he's… got perfect line of sight and flanks on everyone, even if they did command seal reinforcements in. Oh dear.

    But he hasn't done anything. As is he just looks really put upon and done with life.

    ...Ritsuka can sympathise.

    "Tha younger tha better!" Blackbeard cackles. "...Unless they're, like, ten or somethin'. Honestly, fifteen's pushin' it already. Now her," he says, pointing at Mashu (who squeaks in fear, which makes Ritsuka see red for a second), "Or her," he continues, pointing at Kana, "Now they're fair game! And tha red one's just extra thicc!"

    Kana suddenly goes still. She stands up. She holds up her right fist, the one with the command seals. All of them light up.

    "Medea, freeze the sniper in space time. Medusa, petrify the rabbit. Herakles, beat Blackbeard within an inch of his life. By my commands, execute."

    All three brands vanish in a burst of magic.

    And then the world becomes screaming, stone, and violently violet energy.

    ----

    Ritsuka stops for a moment because Kana just shattered the mug in her hands. He looks down to see that his is also leaking all his coffee, from all the cracks he's pressed into it too. With an apologetic mumble he puts it aside and wrings his fingers. "So yeah, Blackbeard was actually kind of an incredible threat and almost took us out. Fortunately, we have Command Seals."

    Only some of their audience is listening to him. The rest, Kana included, are glaring at Blackbeard. He looks back with a frown. "That ain't me," he sniffs. "I'm a degenerate, not a degenerate. 2D is better than 3D anyways."

    Kana sighs wearily. "Sorry, Blackbeard, I know. I'm just… dealing with some things."

    "Shame you're so tilted about it, though," he continues, "Ain't no shame in bein' beautifully thicc with nice tiddies an' thighs."

    Kana leaps from her seat and slams both feet into Blackbeard's face. The Rider smashes through the wall and lands in a crumpled heap in the hallway. A passing robot marks him for cleanup with a flag in the butt and continues rolling on. Slowly, the various Servants look at Kana, who has landed on her side after a marvelous dropkick, her bathrobe having fallen open just enough to expose some chest.

    "...Crass he may be, Kana, but you can't fight your body image issues with violence," Saber says with a frown.

    "Yes I can," Kana scoffs. "Anyways we won, then we hired all of Blackbeard's minions. Apparently they didn't like him much either. Then we ran into a special island and, well." She looks over at Euryale, sitting together with Stheno as they laugh softly and braid Medusa's hair. "It's a pretty special island."

    "Yeah," Ritsuka suddenly scowls. "Stupid dragon."
     
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    • YES.


    You did this Kana. YOU. DID. THIS.



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    "OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DOOOOOOONE?!!"

    "...Oh dear,"     Leonardo comments over the commlink while sounding not the least bit concerned, "It seems that whatever you did to Blackbeard has propagated back to the Throne of Heroes and altered his Spirit Origin permanently! You have done what even All the World's Evils could not, Kana; you corrupted a Heroic Spirit!"

    "THAT'S NOT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF!" Both Kana and Ritsuka scream.
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    It kind of is actually.
     
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