Gray has major Arturia trauma, which is what makes that 'funny story' actually very tragic.

Yeah, I can imagine her avoiding the Tohsaka family just to avoid... a lot of awkwardness and uncomfortableness.

Probably more comfortable around Kana and Ritsuka, on account of any El-Melloi brand field trips they went on. (Someone was probably killed at some point.) And, you know, the fact that they aren't in a romantic relationship with someone who looks exactly like her. Or are the central figure of her cult town.
 
Canonically Grey does eventually get over it, per her FGO lines, but I'm not sure if that'd have happened by the point that Shirou/Rin/Saber are off to the Clock Tower.
 
Horrifying note that Flat is probably at least a Brand now, probably a Grand
No way he can do the political maneuvering needed for that. It'd just be wrong to put him over Zouken and equivalent to Kayneth or even Touko.
He'd probably be Fes, just like other way-skilled-but-socially-inept people. Like Bazett.

Gray more MHXX right now. Lancer is restricted to (prolonged exposure to) Rhongomyniad's awakened state.
MHXX is canonically early 20s (since she got out of college and had to get a Real Job but is still entry level OL)
If you take default Seiba at 14-15 as your reference, and taking MHXX at 21-23, then it's easy to map Lancer Artoria at mid-30s.
Gray was 15 during Adra ('94), so she'd be 25 for FSN ('04) and 36 for Sunny ('15).
So there's no reason she wouldn't be rocking the big bap.


Gray was 15 during Adra ('03-'04), so she'd be 26-27 for Sunny.
So she should look slightly older than MHXX, but not quite full MILF look.

(Although given how nasu puberty works, there's a decent chance she's gotten significant bustier in just a few years :V)
 
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Uh, I think your maths is significantly off there. 94 is Fate/Zero and the entirety of Case Files including the Separation Castle is repeatedly and explicitly in the run-up to Fate/Stay Night.
 
It wasn't an error of math, actually.
I totally forgot case files is set on the runup to FSN, not on the runup to FZ.

Oops.
 
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Yeah. For reference, the magazine TYPEMOON-Ace vol. 11 had the timeline of El-Melloi Case Files (source, translation source):
Case Files Timeline said:
Fourth Holy Grail War
  • Kayneth El Melloi Archibald deceased
  • Waver Velvet returns to the Clocktower
  • Collapse and resulting power struggle of the El-melloi family
  • Waver inherits the El-Melloi classroom
  • Reines becomes the next head of the El-Melloi head.
3 years after HGW4
  • Reines makes contact with Waver. Waver receives the El-Melloi name and is groomed as a Lord.
  • Waver is named as El-Melloi II and becomes the Lord of the Modern Magecraft department.
5 years after HGW4
  • Kiritsugu dies due to all the evils in the world.
  • Svin becomes affiliated with the El-Melloi classroom
  • Flat is put into the custody of the El-Melloi classroom
9 years after HGW4
  • El-Melloi II meets Gray at certain cemetery.
10 years after HGW4
  • Volume 1 of Case Files
  • Volume 2+3 of Case Files
  • Holy Grail 5
Later than 10 years after HGW4
  • Tohsaka Rin admitted to the Clocktower
It's a bit outdated because it doesn't include later volumes and the anime has added some things, like Waver heading to Iraq.

My personal additions:

CF1 (Adra Castle): September 2003
CF2/3 (Iselma Towers): October 2003
First half of the anime episodes 2 to 6: between October and November 2003
CF4/5 (Rail Zeppelin): Late November-early December 2003
CF6/7 (Atlas Contract): January 2004
CF8/9/10 (Grand Roll): Late January-early February 2004, with the climax taking place on the day Saber is summoned, February 2nd
 
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No way he can do the political maneuvering needed for that. It'd just be wrong to put him over Zouken and equivalent to Kayneth or even Touko.
He'd probably be Fes, just like other way-skilled-but-socially-inept people. Like Bazett.


MHXX is canonically early 20s (since she got out of college and had to get a Real Job but is still entry level OL)
If you take default Seiba at 14-15 as your reference, and taking MHXX at 21-23, then it's easy to map Lancer Artoria at mid-30s.
Gray was 15 during Adra ('94), so she'd be 25 for FSN ('04) and 36 for Sunny ('15).
So there's no reason she wouldn't be rocking the big bap.


Gray was 15 during Adra ('03-'04), so she'd be 26-27 for Sunny.
So she should look slightly older than MHXX, but not quite full MILF look.

(Although given how nasu puberty works, there's a decent chance she's gotten significant bustier in just a few years :V)
I'm toning down the Pendragon genes a little in Sunny because I'm not comfortable in inflicting Lancer on unsuspecting girls. So it's only the result of Rhongomyniad going full blast and dragging Arturia along for the ride.

She might be bustier than MHXX though this is true
 
I'm toning down the Pendragon genes a little in Sunny because I'm not comfortable in inflicting Lancer on unsuspecting girls. So it's only the result of Rhongomyniad going full blast and dragging Arturia along for the ride.

She might be bustier than MHXX though this is true
Personally barring someone like Passionlip I've always taken the bust size of the Female Grand/Order as depicted in the art as a general guideline. In that regard "A bit bigger than MHXX" sound right. The Lion King is kind of borderline, and just inside the proportions for human normes IMO.

Look I've been using her as artillery for the past few hours to try and build up Ascension materials for EMIYA okay, so she's been standing out in my mind.
 
It helps that they're all in wildly different artstyles - several of the more absurd girls can easily be made more plausible by just switching who you imagine drawing them (looking at you, Raikou).
 
I'm toning down the Pendragon genes a little in Sunny because I'm not comfortable in inflicting Lancer on unsuspecting girls. So it's only the result of Rhongomyniad going full blast and dragging Arturia along for the ride.

She might be bustier than MHXX though this is true
I mean it's not like artoria lancer is that crazy either. She's real stacked but not ridiculous stacked.

And it's not like growing out over the course of ~5 years is particularly crazy.

e: come to think of it since seiba is frozen at 15yo the differences would only increase with time
 
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It helps that they're all in wildly different artstyles - several of the more absurd girls can easily be made more plausible by just switching who you imagine drawing them (looking at you, Raikou).
I mean it's not like artoria lancer is that crazy either. She's real stacked but not ridiculous stacked.

And it's not like growing out over the course of ~5 years is particularly crazy.
Pulse for a bit of humor gives you someone else to explore Kana's body image issues with.
 
Aside from the fact that Servants don't 100% map to how they appeared in life, Raikou's very bizarre proportions can be blamed on her Oni Heritage (minor shapeshifting formed her into her idea of a Motherly form, probably).
 
Personally barring someone like Passionlip I've always taken the bust size of the Female Grand/Order as depicted in the art as a general guideline.

I mean Passionlip's boobs are supposed to be bigger than she is tall IIRC and they never are, so that's true of her too.

Fucking BB technology. Not even once.
 
I mean Passionlip's boobs are supposed to be bigger than she is tall IIRC and they never are, so that's true of her too.

Fucking BB technology. Not even once.
You realize bust measures a perimeter, not a diameter, right?

Boobs bigger than Lip's tall would be Lip_Height × π = 156cm × π ≈ 490cm.
 
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You realize bust measures a perimeter, not a diameter, right?

Boobs bigger than Lip's tall would be Lip_Height × π = 156cm × π ≈ 490cm.
I was also under the impression that "bust" includes a bit of breathing room, so there's another reason for them to not look THAT big (even if they're still pretty ridiculous).

Of course, I have no reason to know that sort of thing; I'm not a tailor, so I could be mistaken.
 
Interlude 7 - No Regrets
A/N: Happy New Years! I felt like writing something, so have something from muuuuch later on in the timeline. It probably won't turn out exactly like this, but have something of a relationship piece.

Enjoy!

--


2026, Chaldea Security Organisation HQ


Ritsuka remembers what New Years was like at home. Waking up in the late morning, warm and toasty and still feeling stuffed from a very packed Christmas. Not having to go to the Dojo and run through a morning routine for an hour or two. Blearily wandering into the living room to see Aunt Saber flopped on the kotatsu while watching the morning news, then joining her while she peeled oranges for everyone to eat. After a nice hearty breakfast, dad would then take everyone out to Shinto or something, either to a movie or to a nice park or something eventful, and they'd spend time together as a family. No magecraft, no training, no mom giving dad strange looks about how he financed last week's christmas trip.

It's not something most kids would cherish - and after a point he didn't much care, he had friends he'd rather spend the day with - but he always took the time to spend at least the morning with them. It was a yearly routine from since before he was born, having new years soba made by mom. And his mom rarely made soba, because she was always busy managing something, whether it was some affair in the city or something in London or the family finances with dad or his magical education or really anything at all, and honestly the quality suffered for it. Compared to dad's soba, hers was pretty average. He just ate it because, well, it was there.

Now, though? Alone, in a cold office, surrounded by oodles and oodles of statistics and reports? Staring at a progress meter tick slowly towards completion, as his phone growled and growled as the speakers die from ringing too much? With the literal weight of the world resting on his shoulders, knowing that the next three days will be absolutely critical? That in a year of critical events and decisive battles, this would be the one that mattered most of all?

God, he missed mom's shitty soba so much.

He winces as he hears his phone hit the carpeted ground, having rung one too many times, and goes to pick it up. His fingers brush against another's at that moment, and while polite instinct drives him to withdraw he just looks up at the owner of the other hand as she withdraws and smiles at Mashu Kyrielight, herself unable to make eye contact. He laughs as he picks up his phone and tosses it onto the desk, his work set aside for the moment. Mashu blinks and looks at him, cheeks powdered red.

"S-So... do we have enough ascension materials for everyone, s-senpai?"

"We'll figure something out," he replies with a grunt. There was no telling what kind of environment the Time Temple would prove to be, but considering it was effectively King Solomon's Reality Marble, they would literally be invading a planet hostile to their very existence. Just operating in the Age of Gods was difficult enough. This would be on another level entirely... But that's just how the final boss dungeon was like, wasn't it? "I'll be inspecting everything with Kana later anyways. We have a little bit of time."

Mashu nods. She swallows. "Ah, about that, senpai..."

His expression wavers for a moment. "Are you feeling alright? I want you there with us, Mashu, but you don't have to force yourself."

She shakes her head vigorously. "No, I'll be there. I'll see this through, no matter what. I, Galahad, we will finish what we started." Her righteous outburst done, Mashu then looks to the ground. "T-That said... senpai, we don't have much longer left together... do we?"

"Don't say things like that." He stands up, one hand holding hers, the other brushing aside her bangs so he can see both of her beautiful lilac eyes. They were so lively, large and expressive and beautiful unlike anything else. One could compare them to precious stones or the stars in the sky or any number of metaphors for that which glistens and shines and nothing would compare to the actual article. They simply were beautiful eyes, and he always felt it was a shame she kept one of them hidden at all times. "I love you, Mashu Kyrielight. I love your quiet strength, your diligent work ethic, your insistence on seeing the good in everything, how you're slightly possessive of me, the way your ears turn red and you pull your hands into your sleeves when you're flustered..." Her breath hitches, and her little body quivers as he hugs her right. "I love everything about you. And nothing could change how lucky it is for a guy like me to meet a girl like you, my mashmellow."

"...I love you too, senpai," she whispers in his ear, too shy to look him in the eye or call him by name. But the way her breath catches, the sound of a quiet laugh, that's all the reassurance Ritsuka needs. She pulls away from him to look him in the eye with a cheeky, uncertain smile. "Y-You know, I remember from when we watched those old movies that... before the final battle, the hero and the heroine always... Y'know." She draws inwards, hiding her hands and herself, as much as possible. "D-Do you..." She says, her voice barely a whisper, her face close to his. "...Want to try? W-With me?"

He stands fully to attention, carrying his adorable bespectacled girlfriend in his arms, still hugging tightly onto her. "You sure?" He asks, clearly intrigued but also very careful. The veins in his neck are starting to pop and he's trying so hard to untense himself to no avail. God this must look super creepy - no shut up get it together Ritsuka get your shit together. "I-I mean, it took us so long to just get to holding hands so i-if you want we could--"

She places a finger on his lips. With a beautiful tittering laugh that sends shivers up his spine, Mashu Kyrielight says,

"Please take care of me, Ritsuka senpai."

Ritsuka inhales sharply.

----

He wakes up in the middle of the night, incredibly parched and very sore. But happy, and fulfilled, in ways he didn't know he could be happy or fulfilled in. Mashu lays next to him, sleeping peacefully. In the dim darkness of his room, lit only by the pale blue hazard strips that line the edges where the walls meet the ceiling, he watches the still form of his girlfriend, every shift in her body language, every rise and fall of her chest as she dreams deeply. Lit in dim blue light, she looks like an angel.

He chuckles to himself at the small joke. His personal guardian angel, Mashu Kyrielight. The light at the end of his tunnel. If only that were true; but unfortunately, Ritsuka has evidence to believe that God's got different aesthetic priorities.

His smile falters. Jeanne must never find out about this.

"Mm." Behind him, D'Eon stirs and leans her head against his back. "It's about time, Master. Most young boys and girls wouldn't last eight hours with each other, let alone almost a year."

"Yeah... Yeah I guess it is." Ritsuka sighs as he thinks back to his initial confession. And then to his second confession after London. If he could curl up into a ball and launch himself across the kaleidoscope, he would. That was awful.

And he'd still do it all over again. All for the same girl. The only girl that ever mattered like that to him.

"...She's right to worry, you know? Master, what's going to happen to you?"

"I'll be fine," Ritsuka says.

"You love her."

"More than anything."

"And you'll lose her."

He lets out a shuddering sigh. "We lose everything eventually."

"Master." D'Eon is quiet for a moment. "She wouldn't want this for you."

"I know. And I'll move on. I just won't forget about her."

"Mm."

"...And I'll still have you, right?"

"...Mm. Rest well, Master. Duty calls."

A few seconds pass. Ritsuka rolls over slightly. D'Eon's gone from the bed. But she's left her clothes.

Well. At least there's that. He goes back to sleep.

----

The morning hits him with the sore-bat harder than the middle of the night ever could. Every movement provokes new agony from his muscles, screaming for relief as they rebel with their weakness. But Ritsuka's been through too many fights, learned too many katas and been hurled by blonde men too often to submit to mere muscle fatigue. So instead he gets up from the bed, tidies up a little, and calls for a little drone to get them breakfast.

Mashu wakes up with a yawn fifteen minutes later, treated to the sight of Ritsuka Tohsaka doing pushups shirtless right by her bedside. She doesn't say anything until he finishes the routines and stands upright, his body glistening with sweat.

"Ah, man, I knew I shouldn't have pushed to fif...ty..." Ritsuka blinks as he meets Mashu's gaze, his girlfriend looking back not with a blush and barely restrained embarrassment, but with confidence and certainty. Of herself. Of what she wants. "...Ah. Morning, Mashu. I called for breakfast."

Mashu Kyrielight giggles. "Happy new years, senpai."

"...Eh? But it's the 29th."

"Is that so?" Her smile grows. "It felt like new years came early this year."

Ritsuka looks at her. He smiles and laughs. Here and now, in the moment, the future doesn't matter. Tomorrow can go and find its own trouble. He's got a cute girlfriend, nothing could ruin the moment.

"...Alright, get dressed. The inspection's at ten, so we'll head over after breakfast."

"Okay... E-Eh? Ten?" Mashu looks up with a strange smile, her brow quivering. "S-Senpai, it's nine fifty."

"...Nevermind new plan get dressed now breakfast can wait!"

"Senpai! I can't find my clothes!"

"What?!" He makes a quick scan with his eyes. That's ridiculous, he literally just cleaned up the place, her clothes would have been in the pile... Unless... "Dammit D'Eon! You set us up!"

"D-D'Eon?! Why?!!"

"Nevermind! Just wear these, no one will notice!"

"S-Senpai, this is--"

"I know! Just wear it!"

----

"...Mashu, why are you wearing D'Eon's shirt over Ritsuka's uniform?"

The Shielder says nothing. She just goes red, from head to toe. Her glasses even start fogging up. Ritsuka, ever the protective boyfriend, just glares daggers at his twin sister. Ever irreverent and nonplussed, Kana nonetheless gets the message and looks away. "Whatever, laundry accident, got it. I'll go get the doctor."

As she heads off, Ritsuka feels his phone vibrate in his pants. He checks it quickly.

'nice bro'

Only experience, no money and a boatload of willpower keep him from crushing his smartphone in his hand. God dammit Kana. Happy fucking new year.

God he wants some soba.

----

His phone buzzes again. 'btw saw ishtarmom on the way, told her about it'

Ritsuka's brain explodes. Everything about him falls to pieces and you can never put him back together again, not like he was. Wordlessly, motionlessly, he stands there looking at his phone. Nothing on his mind except white hot rage of the featureless kind.

It buzzes again. 'she wants cute grandkids asap'

"Yep," he mutters under his breath as he starts walking, "Chokeslam it is."
 
A/N: Happy New Years! I felt like writing something, so have something from muuuuch later on in the timeline. It probably won't turn out exactly like this, but have something of a relationship piece.
Happy New Year!
He winces as he hears his phone hit the carpeted ground, having rung one too many times, and goes to pick it up. His fingers brush against another's at that moment, and while polite instinct drives him to withdraw he just looks up at the owner of the other hand as she withdraws and smiles at Mashu Kyrielight, herself unable to make eye contact. He laughs as he picks up his phone and tosses it onto the desk, his work set aside for the moment. Mashu blinks and looks at him, cheeks powdered red.

"Don't say things like that." He stands up, one hand holding hers, the other brushing aside her bangs so he can see both of her beautiful lilac eyes. They were so lively, large and expressive and beautiful unlike anything else. One could compare them to precious stones or the stars in the sky or any number of metaphors for that which glistens and shines and nothing would compare to the actual article. They simply were beautiful eyes, and he always felt it was a shame she kept one of them hidden at all times. "I love you, Mashu Kyrielight. I love your quiet strength, your diligent work ethic, your insistence on seeing the good in everything, how you're slightly possessive of me, the way your ears turn red and you pull your hands into your sleeves when you're flustered..." Her breath hitches, and her little body quivers as he hugs her right. "I love everything about you. And nothing could change how lucky it is for a guy like me to meet a girl like you, my mashmellow."

"...I love you too, senpai," she whispers in his ear, too shy to look him in the eye or call him by name. But the way her breath catches, the sound of a quiet laugh, that's all the reassurance Ritsuka needs. She pulls away from him to look him in the eye with a cheeky, uncertain smile. "Y-You know, I remember from when we watched those old movies that... before the final battle, the hero and the heroine always... Y'know." She draws inwards, hiding her hands and herself, as much as possible. "D-Do you..." She says, her voice barely a whisper, her face close to his. "...Want to try? W-With me?"

He stands fully to attention, carrying his adorable bespectacled girlfriend in his arms, still hugging tightly onto her. "You sure?" He asks, clearly intrigued but also very careful. The veins in his neck are starting to pop and he's trying so hard to untense himself to no avail. God this must look super creepy - no shut up get it together Ritsuka get your shit together. "I-I mean, it took us so long to just get to holding hands so i-if you want we could--"

She places a finger on his lips. With a beautiful tittering laugh that sends shivers up his spine, Mashu Kyrielight says,

"Please take care of me, Ritsuka senpai."

Ritsuka inhales sharply.

"Mm." Behind him, D'Eon stirs and leans her head against his back. "It's about time, Master. Most young boys and girls wouldn't last eight hours with each other, let alone almost a year."

Ritsuka, you rascal!
And he'd still do it all over again. All for the same girl. The only girl that ever mattered like that to him.

"...She's right to worry, you know? Master, what's going to happen to you?"

"I'll be fine," Ritsuka says.

"You love her."

"More than anything."

"And you'll lose her."

He lets out a shuddering sigh. "We lose everything eventually."

"Master." D'Eon is quiet for a moment. "She wouldn't want this for you."

"I know. And I'll move on. I just won't forget about her."
*sniff* Sorry, I got something in my eye.
Mashu Kyrielight giggles. "Happy new years, senpai."

"...Eh? But it's the 29th."

"Is that so?" Her smile grows. "It felt like new years came early this year."
Well, it was festive occasion during the nigh with an exploding climax that had people seeing stars and colors. And it was long time in waiting.
"Senpai! I can't find my clothes!"

"What?!" He makes a quick scan with his eyes. That's ridiculous, he literally just cleaned up the place, her clothes would have been in the pile... Unless... "Dammit D'Eon! You set us up!"

"D-D'Eon?! Why?!!"

"Nevermind! Just wear these, no one will notice!"

"S-Senpai, this is--"

"I know! Just wear it!"

----

"...Mashu, why are you wearing D'Eon's shirt over Ritsuka's uniform?"
D'Eon, you absolute rascal! :drevil:
 
This begs an 'interesting' question: Which iteration of Tohsaka Rin served as the host for the pseudo-Servant summoning?

Teenaged self, just post 5th HGW? Maybe her immediate post-6th HGW self? Or even the immediately pre-Incineration MILF?
I'm keeping just about everything concerning Ishtarmom under wraps, but suffice to say that mom Rin's the one that gets possessed, not teenage Rin.

It won't be like Little Ritsuka's Family, however, because Ishtar still has control the vast majority of the time. You just also have Rin show up every so often. This is mostly to preserve Ritsuka's sanity; if he had to ward off his mom's advances all the time, he might legitimately just burn Chaldea himself.
 
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