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Huh, that's a bit more sinister than I'd thought. But if Moon's fighting alongside Uly anyway, then... why not? Sounds cool to me.
 
[X] Tell her you are a fire aspect that just Exalted and don't give the Sword

Powerful assassins are going to target Uly as soon as the news Zao has an heir comes out, he's going to need Ambition to defend himself.
And keeping Moon close to him is going to put her in danger, Zao is right about that. But I'd rather he told her a half truth (like he just Exalted) than a complete lie (he lied to her since the beginning).
 
I can just imagine Odyssial's thought process when making this a part of its function.
"Yes, turning more people into myself? That can only be a good thing." /joking
 
I just don't think that the arguments for keeping the sword are particularly strong- many of them seem to be of the bent that somehow the choices we spent on the sword would be 'wasted' if we gave it to someone else, which I think isn't a very good way of looking at it- the sword gives us another solar-tier combatant if we give it Moon, which is hardly what I would call a waste.
 
Pinf said:
[X] Tell her you are a fire aspect that just Exalted and don't give the Sword

Powerful assassins are going to target Uly as soon as the news Zao has an heir comes out, he's going to need Ambition to defend himself.
And keeping Moon close to him is going to put her in danger, Zao is right about that. But I'd rather he told her a half truth (like he just Exalted) than a complete lie (he lied to her since the beginning).
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That lie won't hold up under the scrutiny Moon'll give it, though. Not with Flame shouting about Anathema and the weirdness with inconsistent stories about what happened to Ulyssian.

Her knowing is dangerous, yeah, but not having everybody on the same page? That's equally dangerous. Moreso, even.
 
Would it advance the goals of Odyssial that was or the ones we're formulating in this quest, and that we would probably create with Moon ?
By the way Rihaku proved his claim of permanent evilness yet again.

Edit: Nevermind. It would be our goals then. I'm find with it if we warn her beforehand.
 
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Rihaku said:
The powers of Ambition reflect Odyssial perfectly. *The wielder of Ambition is driven always to great purpose. In a mortal's hands or a god-kings', the blade grants an unceasing perpetuity of will, such that the wielder will always be pressed towards self-improvement, and towards the same ultimate goals as Odyssial. They could even take up this blade with a desire to harm him, but through them, it would find a way to advance his greater agenda.
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Reflects Odysissial perfectly. By the time this blade was completed Uly was likely G10 H10 which means it would reflect him as he was then.

User will always be pressed to the same Ultimate goals as Odyissial.

You can't even even use the damn thing against Odyissial without it finding a way to still further his agenda.

I'm sure that the thing isn't much of a danger if used for only short periods of time. However Moon would be using it for an extended period of time.

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Winter Empress would be more likely.
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There is a reason Rihaku called Moon with Ambition would be known as the Winter Empress if she took over the Realm. The winter is cold and unforgiving. Sounds like a high heartlessness rating to me.
 
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Orm Embar said:
Fair enough. I think the key element in this is that we would be bequeathing it to her along with full knowledge of what it is and what it does. If we were handing it off to a relative stranger, that would be underhanded (also inadvisable), but Moon has always admired our Ambition. Now she can have it. Literally.
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Orm Embar said:
So long as she accepts it knowingly, I am absolutely fine with it.
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But can she accept it knowingly? She has only seen our Ambition in Ulyssian as we bent it towards training and self-improvement. She didn't see Odyssial's unrestrained drive, nor the lengths he went to to ensure his success. Without knowing both sides of the coin, she can't really choose, just guess.
 
Rihaku said:
In what way does it go against my previous statement? Odyssial is Ulyssian.
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Fine - if the wielder is working towards Uly's goals, what is the effect of Ambition beyond "you will see this done". Does it force the most efficient action based on its own criteria? Or is the wielder just compelled via their unbreakable willpower to get the job done, but however they want as long as they are never opposing his goals?
 
Diller said:
Reflects Odysissial perfectly. By the time this blade was completed Uly was likely G10 H10 which means it would reflect him as he was then.

User will always be pressed to the same Ultimate goals as Odyissial.

You can't even even use the damn thing against Odyissial without it finding a way to still further his agenda.

I'm sure that the thing isn't much of a danger if used for only short periods of time. However Moon would be using it for an extended period of time.



There is a reason Rihaku called Moon with Ambition would be known as the Winter Empress if she took over the Realm. The winter is cold and unforgiving. Sounds like a high heartlessness rating to me.
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It... sounded cool? She can't be the Azure empress, she has no blue features. Her hair is white, her skin is so white it's near translucent, and her eyes are grey.
 
Unelemental said:
But can she accept it knowingly? She has only seen our Ambition in Ulyssian as we bent it towards training and self-improvement. She didn't see Odyssial's unrestrained drive, nor the lengths he went to to ensure his success. Without knowing both sides of the coin, she can't really choose, just guess.
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We can tell her, and I trust that she has the intellect and imagination to make the decision. Moon is her own woman and nobody's fool. Quite the opposite, actually.
 
Diller said:
There is a reason Rihaku called Moon with Ambition would be known as the Winter Empress if she took over the Realm. The winter is cold and unforgiving. Sounds like a high heartlessness rating to me.
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Um, no. The Scarlet Empress got her name from her hair, not because of rivers of blood or anything.

Say it with me: feeeearmongering.

Edit: Fuck, GM ninja'd me.
 
Diller said:
Reflects Odysissial perfectly. By the time this blade was completed Uly was likely G10 H10 which means it would reflect him as he was then.

User will always be pressed to the same Ultimate goals as Odyissial.

You can't even even use the damn thing against Odyissial without it finding a way to still further his agenda.

I'm sure that the thing isn't much of a danger if used for only short periods of time. However Moon would be using it for an extended period of time.
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Yeah, the sword reflects Ody in all his terrible glory. Doesn't mean other users will in turn reflect the sword, just that in using it they are working towards his goals - always.

You are adding an additional function to the sword.
 
Van Ropen said:
Fine - if the wielder is working towards Uly's goals, what is the effect of Ambition beyond "you will see this done". Does it force the most efficient action based on its own criteria? Or is the wielder just compelled via their unbreakable willpower to get the job done, but however they want as long as they are never opposing his goals?
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When you have an unshakable will and grand goals, the little things tend to fall to the wayside.

Orm Embar said:
We can tell her, and I trust that she has the intellect and imagination to make the decision. Moon is her own woman and nobody's fool. Quite the opposite, actually.
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I don't think this is something you can imagine. It's a matter of experience.
 
Unelemental said:
When you have an unshakable will and grand goals, the little things tend to fall to the wayside.
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Which would be why I want to give it someone who hasn't yet lost sight of the smaller picture.
Unelemental said:
I don't think this is something you can imagine. It's a matter of experience.
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Possibly not, although I think I simply have a higher opinion of Moon's abilities than you do. If anyone could do it, though, it would be the woman who immersed herself in stories from a very young age and possesses the intellect to translate that imagination into expectations.
 
Van Ropen said:
Fine - if the wielder is working towards Uly's goals, what is the effect of Ambition beyond "you will see this done". Does it force the most efficient action based on its own criteria? Or is the wielder just compelled via their unbreakable willpower to get the job done, but however they want as long as they are never opposing his goals?
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Neither, it just gives the will to self improve. The sword itself will just make sure that, no matter what it's wielder chooses, they will serve Odyssial's interests. As to how it does this, it does it by finding a way. If the wielder wants to kill Odyssial, it will turn on him at the moment precisely calibrated to humiliate the wielder with maximum PR impact as he is killed by Odyssial. If it has a longer term goal, it will change the nature of Evocations offered.
 
If the sword starts whispering sweet nothings into her ear at night as subliminal conditioning, I reserve the right to tell you 'I told you so'. :p
 
Rihaku said:
There is one final angle to consider. Do you want Moon to have her every action bent, knowingly or not, to Odyssial's advantage?
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That's why I considered giving her the sword the last resort at the bargaining table, and included the clause to ask her if she's really willing to jump through all these hoops and wait what might be 4 years, all on a hope and a dream. BEFORE giving her the sword that cleaves her to our will.
 
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