Oh yeah, reality clearly needs fixing, but again that's an engineering problem. If souls had been changed that could technically have been fixed with the same mindset but not... ethically.
Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
- Thread starter Yzarc
- Start date
- Crossover
Question is there any chaos object on the planet or is it clean
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Safely say that all of it is long gone.
- Location
- Arcadia
Hm, well, it is the perfect opportunity to set Lorgar on the path to gaining the Philosopher Aspect, given the situation.
He can compile everything in his book and, well, preach it to the planetary population.
As to preaching it to 2 to 3 planets' worth of people, well, the other planets will have to wait until expansion begins, unfortunately.
He can compile everything in his book and, well, preach it to the planetary population.
As to preaching it to 2 to 3 planets' worth of people, well, the other planets will have to wait until expansion begins, unfortunately.
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I think we can wait on philosophy.
I also think we'd do better with Lorgar having a Statesman aspect rather than a Philosopher aspect.
We're going to have to reform the governance of many, many worlds to have the right ideology and the right embedded ethics. This isn't just about the efficacy of government, but its morality and the incentives it encourages in the population it governs.
- Location
- Arcadia
Well, Lorgar is very close to gaining the Philosopher aspect. It is a race with Sage, Champion, and Preacher.
Keeping Aspect synergies in mind, Philosopher would work very well. Besides, Lorgar simply will never be the statesman that Guilliman is.
Keeping Aspect synergies in mind, Philosopher would work very well. Besides, Lorgar simply will never be the statesman that Guilliman is.
The way I was looking at it, Guilliman would just be a different kind of statesman than Lorgar, informed by his other aspects.
Guilliman is more focused on how a nation works, and Lorgar is more focused on why it does what it does, what's its internal culture and motivation.
Guilliman would make more efficient organisations, but Lorgar might make more effective ones, as they'd be doing the right thing, rather than be very competent at doing the wrong ones.
Not sure how this would be boiled down to one word.
- Location
- Arcadia
Hm, in other words, there is great potential for a partnership between Lorgar and Guilliman. They can combine their talents when creating such organizations.
Ah, speaking of statesmen, one recalls Plato's Politicus. The Socratic dialogue involved Socrates, Theodorus, another Socrates, and a stranger from Elea. It immediately proceeds from the Sophist. A rather fascinating dialogue, trying to define a statesman as opposed to sophist or philosopher.
So much comes back to philosophy as a foundation.
Ah, speaking of statesmen, one recalls Plato's Politicus. The Socratic dialogue involved Socrates, Theodorus, another Socrates, and a stranger from Elea. It immediately proceeds from the Sophist. A rather fascinating dialogue, trying to define a statesman as opposed to sophist or philosopher.
So much comes back to philosophy as a foundation.
- Location
- UK
[X] Plan Space Marine Socials, Mech Organics, Exalted Communication
-[X] Adorjan
-[X] Lorgar
-- [X] Mind Partition 4 XP
-- [X] The World is Mine 10 XP
-- [X] Voice of the Primarch 10 XP
-- [X] Bank 4, Total 7 XP
-- [X] Not locked but intended: VEE purchase Precognition 5, Synergy 5, Cyberpathy and Cyberkinesis 1
-[X] Dharok
-- [X] 6 dot Dhrama's Voice 18 XP
-- [X] Precogntion 1 2 XP
-- [X] Bank 3, Total 9 XP
-- [X] Not locked but intended: VEE purchase Binding, Summoning, and Warding 5
-[X] Thalassa
-- [X] Lore of Flesh 4 40 XP
-- [X] Bank 9 XP
-- [X] Not locked but intended: VEE purchase Precognition 5
-[X] Fan
--[X] Unshattered Tongue Perfection (x2) 8 XP
--[X] Disembodied Voice Tintinnabula 8 XP
--[X] Demonic Primacy of Essence 8 XP
--[X] Penitents Like Scattered Grains 8 XP
--[X] As You Wish 8 XP
--[X] Bank 9 XP
It doesn't make sense to rush the Shintai. It is a combat upgrade at a time when the primary problems are non-combat.
Here is an alternate build for Fan that lets him communicate more effectively with his people. It very much focuses on Fan becoming a guiding spirit for his people. Hearing the tidings of the faithful and granting aid where needed. Also issuing directives to his subordinates to keep everyone working towards a common goal.
-[X] Adorjan
-[X] Lorgar
-- [X] Mind Partition 4 XP
-- [X] The World is Mine 10 XP
-- [X] Voice of the Primarch 10 XP
-- [X] Bank 4, Total 7 XP
-- [X] Not locked but intended: VEE purchase Precognition 5, Synergy 5, Cyberpathy and Cyberkinesis 1
-[X] Dharok
-- [X] 6 dot Dhrama's Voice 18 XP
-- [X] Precogntion 1 2 XP
-- [X] Bank 3, Total 9 XP
-- [X] Not locked but intended: VEE purchase Binding, Summoning, and Warding 5
-[X] Thalassa
-- [X] Lore of Flesh 4 40 XP
-- [X] Bank 9 XP
-- [X] Not locked but intended: VEE purchase Precognition 5
-[X] Fan
--[X] Unshattered Tongue Perfection (x2) 8 XP
--[X] Disembodied Voice Tintinnabula 8 XP
--[X] Demonic Primacy of Essence 8 XP
--[X] Penitents Like Scattered Grains 8 XP
--[X] As You Wish 8 XP
--[X] Bank 9 XP
It doesn't make sense to rush the Shintai. It is a combat upgrade at a time when the primary problems are non-combat.
Here is an alternate build for Fan that lets him communicate more effectively with his people. It very much focuses on Fan becoming a guiding spirit for his people. Hearing the tidings of the faithful and granting aid where needed. Also issuing directives to his subordinates to keep everyone working towards a common goal.
The thing is as the last XP buy showed when you really need combat power you also need a bunch of other stuff specific to the combat in question, like you know being able to replenish motes in the underworld and intimacy protecting charms. It is better to have the general purpose combat beatstick in hand before the emergency in which you need to beat someone around the head.
We were lucky that the Skytitan went down like that, the Shard of Winters made a tactical error in judging what we could do with charms and then Setra rolled high enough to apply a steel chair to his face. The alternative would have been to try to carve through that thing with nothing but Martial Arts designed for close combat and our base seven hit levels.
Not just what we could do with charms, what Lorgar, Dharok, and a chapter of space marines all with True Faith could do - as True Faith, particularly superhuman levels of True Faithbmay not even have been a thing Kairos was even aware of.
I do sympathise with this view, but as a counterpoint, my view is that we're no longer on the defensive, but that our build up may be significantly aided by being able to go on the offence.
For example, I hope that when we're a constellation of crystal spheres we're space capable. I'm planning on using Shintai form to explore the orbitals.
This is partially one for @Yzarc, but I'm also hopefully that we might be able to hang around the edges of the Warp Shadow/Umbra of the World Soul and sally forth into the wider warp. There, we can engage in mass combat with the daemons there and either capture them en masse for conversion or render them down for reagents.
I also hope that we can use Wyld Shaping there freely, while outside the influence of the World Soul after killing enough of the local daemons.
With Warp Drives, we might even be able to do things like Shape orbital factories and jump them back to real space.
Lorgar's space marines are immune to environmental conditions, including those of the warp, so they're a lot more capable of helping with this kind of thing.
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- Location
- India
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Blanks can never become Marines. Ever. Fan does not know this but this is something I can freely tell you, though why is kinda a spoiler.
With TDC, you are already Space Capable. You just need to do something about the lack of air as suffocation is not EV damage.
But yeah, shintai does get round that.
Ah yes, for too long have those overgrown Raksha not been hunted by their natural predators. It's bad for the environment, causes overpopulation.
- Location
- India
@Yzarc you mentioned that Reborn planet feed and purify warp and produce limitless resources. So can it not use same process to boost its powers or modify itself further? I mean will we see explosive growth of Psykers due to that? Or enhancement of current populations inborn abilities further?
If it constantly filtering out Warp of surroundings area does that mean warp of Sector where that planet located slowly become calm due to warp recycling?
If it constantly filtering out Warp of surroundings area does that mean warp of Sector where that planet located slowly become calm due to warp recycling?
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Hmm. Thinking of how to make this work. Build a hollow ship, with big doors that open up to the big hold, with a very slow warp drive and rather than one big Gellar Field, lots of little ones that cover the hull and the critical equipment, but not the big empty hold.
Daemons can still try to attack from deeper in the Warp, but they're blocked from attacking from the same depth, which should cut down the volume of attacks. A more sophisticated design might be able to project a Gellar field as a hyper-shell (the space between two nested hyper-spheres) so that a region of the Warp is isolated from entry from any direction in the Warp, but the volume of the inner hyper-sphere isn't stabilised by the Gellar Field.
Then, when you jump into the Warp on the edge of the star system, Fan can kill any daemons that are inside the hold region, and then shape the pure Warp into whatever he wants, which might be an orbital factory or a defence station or a smaller voidcraft or whatever. The hollow ship then transits back to real space and carries the new creation back to Colchis' orbit.
That helps us keep the planet beautiful, while heavy industry happens in orbit BAs a side effect.
Daemons can still try to attack from deeper in the Warp, but they're blocked from attacking from the same depth, which should cut down the volume of attacks. A more sophisticated design might be able to project a Gellar field as a hyper-shell (the space between two nested hyper-spheres) so that a region of the Warp is isolated from entry from any direction in the Warp, but the volume of the inner hyper-sphere isn't stabilised by the Gellar Field.
Then, when you jump into the Warp on the edge of the star system, Fan can kill any daemons that are inside the hold region, and then shape the pure Warp into whatever he wants, which might be an orbital factory or a defence station or a smaller voidcraft or whatever. The hollow ship then transits back to real space and carries the new creation back to Colchis' orbit.
That helps us keep the planet beautiful, while heavy industry happens in orbit BAs a side effect.
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The planet is a planet, it is not going to change dramatically on a scale we care about unless something else dramatic happens. The reason it made all those changes is that it was literally reborn in a new context and bound up in a whole bunch of mythos.
[X] Plan Space Marine Socials, Mech Organics, Exalted Shintai and Sorcery
- Location
- Pee Pee Poo Poo
- Location
- Russia
[X] Plan Space Marine Socials, Mech Organics, Exalted Shintai and Sorcery
Shintai space exploration go time
Would really like for Lorgar to get "Craft of the Primarch" mythos power at some point for that sweet extra mass resistance to corruption, but Voice really is more appropriate at this point, especially with the whole planet under wards
Shintai space exploration go time
Would really like for Lorgar to get "Craft of the Primarch" mythos power at some point for that sweet extra mass resistance to corruption, but Voice really is more appropriate at this point, especially with the whole planet under wards
Going to be honest this feels like a major mistake Exalted inherently have an extreme snowball effect just by existing. Letting us just mass produce MA/Sorcery using troops just means our optimal option becomes to just hide, and just deploy mass wave tactics to drown all opposition.
While doing a disservice to he 40k side where Psycher can be way way stronger then exalted mortal no matter how good they are at MA/Sorcery.