Earth Bet: House of the Sun (Cultist Simulator/Worm)

[X] She laughed and took you in hand, skipping across the street as she sang. It was a song about the world, a song that she sang from her heart as the two of you danced, your feet pounding in time with the thunder above you. (HEART is the principle of life, preservation and protection, as well as of the dance that must never cease. It is known, even if subconsciously, by any creature that knows happiness and perseverance in the face of adversity, and it is put into practice by dancers.)
 
[X] She laughed and took you in hand, skipping across the street as she sang. It was a song about the world, a song that she sang from her heart as the two of you danced, your feet pounding in time with the thunder above you. (HEART is the principle of life, preservation and protection, as well as of the dance that must never cease. It is known, even if subconsciously, by any creature that knows happiness and perseverance in the face of adversity, and it is put into practice by dancers.)
[X] She spoke about the sacrifice of a mortal man, of how his wounds split open as he was nailed to a cross. Of how his wounds were not just mortal scars, but an opening where anything could pass, and as she spoke, you noticed her own scars. (KNOCK is the principle of openings, and of finding hidden passages and portals. It entails secrets that both locksmiths and burglars share, even if they do not realize it.)
 
[X] She laughed and took you in hand, skipping across the street as she sang. It was a song about the world, a song that she sang from her heart as the two of you danced, your feet pounding in time with the thunder above you. (HEART is the principle of life, preservation and protection, as well as of the dance that must never cease. It is known, even if subconsciously, by any creature that knows happiness and perseverance in the face of adversity, and it is put into practice by dancers.)

[X] What was history, she asked, and how is it eternity? She told you. Her tale was one with many holes, about seven secrets across the seas, and how when they were found, the sun smiled on the future. (SECRET HISTORIES is the principle of the world itself. It is the study and knowledge of the frailty of cause and effect, and of the secret places where more than one possibility took place.)

Just to be clear, Knock is the one that will let us jump between dimensions right?
SH lets us see into them and Knock opens the path. Portals will almost definitely require both.

I'm not opposed to being a Knock cultist but I'm opposed to being in a Knock cult. I would like to remind everyone once again that of the two confirmed Knock Names one is called Old Mother of Anguish and the other is probably an aspect of the Horned Axe. You know, a God from Stone.
 
I'm not opposed to being a Knock cultist but I'm opposed to being in a Knock cult. I would like to remind everyone once again that of the two confirmed Knock Names one is called Old Mother of Anguish and the other is probably an aspect of the Horned Axe. You know, a God from Stone.

Who is the Axe Name? I'll admit, a master who has a chance to be a carapace cross is even more enticing to me.
 
A thing to consider with this vote is that its not only the Lore of the cult but the culture of the cult. Not to dissade or encourage anything in specific. For example knock would lead to a kinda Cristian culture while this lantern one would probably be more academic in nature.
 
[X] She laughed and took you in hand, skipping across the street as she sang. It was a song about the world, a song that she sang from her heart as the two of you danced, your feet pounding in time with the thunder above you. (HEART is the principle of life, preservation and protection, as well as of the dance that must never cease. It is known, even if subconsciously, by any creature that knows happiness and perseverance in the face of adversity, and it is put into practice by dancers.)
 
[X] She spoke about the sacrifice of a mortal man, of how his wounds split open as he was nailed to a cross. Of how his wounds were not just mortal scars, but an opening where anything could pass, and as she spoke, you noticed her own scars. (KNOCK is the principle of openings, and of finding hidden passages and portals. It entails secrets that both locksmiths and burglars share, even if they do not realize it.)
 
I'm not opposed to being a Knock cultist but I'm opposed to being in a Knock cult. I would like to remind everyone once again that of the two confirmed Knock Names one is called Old Mother of Anguish and the other is probably an aspect of the Horned Axe. You know, a God from Stone.
I read the information known about Old Mother Anguish and it turned out that she has two dead children with whom she sometimes talks.
Considering this and that Old Mother Anguish is the Name of the Mother of Ants, who is quite merciful by the standards of Hour, this name most likely reflects her pain from the loss of her children.
 
Are you referring to the case when we create an occult object using occult materials of the highest level under the guidance of the Long Forge?
Occult is not the right word the lores are the true laws of reality. It is not reality warping magic, it understanding the true principles of reality. Things like the 3 laws of motions, E=mc^2 are byproducts of the lores, not how the universe actually works, which is the lores.

Thats why the lores are so powerful, it the equlivlent of being a spark in Girl Genius. Building an atomic bomb without any of the tech but some rare material is perfectly possible. Also the rare material description is very close to how an uneducated person would describe uranium.
Not now, but a group of Long Forge once endowed England with this knowledge, which led to the industrial revolution ahead of time. All this went on for about a hundred years, which led to the fact that England began to conquer Europe by starting War of the Roads and eventually overthrowing these Long Forge.
But it doesn't matter what is important is that despite such a long-lasting influence of the forge on the whole region, it was just an accelerated industrial revolution.
Pushing tech forward 100 years with just granting influence to mortals is kind of a huge deal. That what happens when mortals get just a little buff from the lores. They did not go teaching Forge lore to England, if they had it would have keep the rapid tech growth going longer, and faster.
 
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Pushing tech forward 100 years with just granting influence to mortals is kind of a huge deal. That what happens when mortals get just a little buff from the lores. They did not go teaching Forge lore to England, if they had it would have keep the rapid tech growth going longer, and faster.

And that was during the medieval era. I wonder how big of a tech boost will happen if we go with the Forge cult now. Perhaps humankind will be able to turn the very stars themselves into Forges? Maybe we will turn the setting into sci-fi? The sheer possibilities make me even more excited.
 
Occult is not the right word the lores are the true laws of reality. It is not reality warping magic, it understanding the true principles of reality. Things like the 3 laws of motions, E=mc^2 are byproducts of the lores, not how the universe actually works, which is the lores.
Does this somehow cancel out the fact that a Long Forge and a substance that occurs only when two Hours interact were involved in the creation of Blue Gold? There is no talk about the technology of the 1800s.
Thats why the lores are so powerful, it the equlivlent of being a spark in Girl Genius. Building an atomic bomb without any of the tech but some rare material is perfectly possible. Also the rare material description is very close to how an uneducated person would describe uranium.
Hours disputes do form the laws of reality, but you don't think that the laws of reality are equal to the Hours. No matter how well you know the laws of the Forge and study physics, you will not get its real power if it does not favor you.
Pushing tech forward 100 years with just granting influence to mortals is kind of a huge deal. That what happens when mortals get just a little buff from the lores. They did not go teaching Forge lore to England, if they had it would have keep the rapid tech growth going longer, and faster.
Strictly speaking, we don't know about it. But in any case, I gave an example to the fact that the Forge is an accelerated progressive progress and not leaps of technology for thousands of years ahead.
Therefore, returning to the subject of the dispute, tincretech is unlikely to be fully serviced without rituals and occult tools.
And that was during the medieval era. I wonder how big of a tech boost will happen if we go with the Forge cult now. Perhaps humankind will be able to turn the very stars themselves into Forges? Maybe we will turn the setting into sci-fi? The sheer possibilities make me even more excited.
The Red Grail, Sister-and-Witch, Meniscate, Sun-in-Rags and the whole of Calyptra say a decisive NO to such a spread of the power of the Forge.
And besides, the world you presented is likely to be a dystopia because of Forge's approach to progress.
 
[X] She laughed and took you in hand, skipping across the street as she sang. It was a song about the world, a song that she sang from her heart as the two of you danced, your feet pounding in time with the thunder above you. (HEART is the principle of life, preservation and protection, as well as of the dance that must never cease. It is known, even if subconsciously, by any creature that knows happiness and perseverance in the face of adversity, and it is put into practice by dancers.)

[X] She spoke about the sacrifice of a mortal man, of how his wounds split open as he was nailed to a cross. Of how his wounds were not just mortal scars, but an opening where anything could pass, and as she spoke, you noticed her own scars. (KNOCK is the principle of openings, and of finding hidden passages and portals. It entails secrets that both locksmiths and burglars share, even if they do not realize it.)
 
The Red Grail, Sister-and-Witch, Meniscate, Sun-in-Rags and the whole of Calyptra say a decisive NO to such a spread of the power of the Forge.

Yeah, but something happened. The Worms are evidence of that. So, they are likely unavailable to curtail our influence, whatever that influence may be.

And besides, the world you presented is likely to be a dystopia because of Forge's approach to progress.

The Glory's light is filtered through Forge, which will be filtered through us. If we use it responsibly, it need not be. Besides, in this race, you can't afford to satisfy everyone. To reach Glory first, some sacrifices have to be made.
 
The Glory's light is filtered through Forge, which will be filtered through us. If we use it responsibly, it need not be. Besides, in this race, you can't afford to satisfy everyone. To reach Glory first, some sacrifices have to be made.

Even Forge of Days shattered her lover, which would be a thing she would regret if she could. If being of such power can't resist, then what hope do we have.
 
Who is the Axe Name? I'll admit, a master who has a chance to be a carapace cross is even more enticing to me.
Xenodice Half-face, either a full name or an aspect of the Horned Axe. Loyal to her mistress and worshipped by the Sisterhood of the Knot
this name most likely reflects her pain from the loss of her children.
Personally I think she's called that because of her son.

And yeah maybe she's good but why risk it when we have Heart or SH?

Also on the Forge discussion/physics, the laws of physics aren't secondary to the lores they're a part of them and in some ways higher. The T6 Forge Lore is the secret of radioactive decay meaning radioactive decay exists and is higher on the fundamental part of the universe staircase then Forge is. Put another way Forge is co-opting decay.
Forge of Days is God-from-Light and has never been human. It is this human perspective that gives us advantage to use our powers with more restraint.
This is a dangerous amount of arrogance. We got shafted by an uninitiated mortal the last run and you wanna square up with the Forge of Days?
 
Forge of Days is God-from-Light and has never been human. It is this human perspective that gives us advantage to use our powers with more restraint.
The higher we rise, the more we will see. Humanity will look too small soon enough for us to notice, especially the more we grow in power. Forge of Days could love at least, yet her nature proved too much. The same nature you want to embrace, hoping that some meat and nerves will be enough to stem it.
 
Also the whole point of setting off the atomic bomb, is to advance the Forge, from it currant state to something like Industry or Machining.

A: I consider the change to be a positive.

B: The cities were important because of the fracture, not people. We could just evacuate them and then set off the bomb, killing no one.

This is a dangerous amount of arrogance. We got shafted by an uninitiated mortal the last run and you wanna square up with the Forge of Days?

All Lores are inhuman when you reach them to their logical conclusion. To not try to be better is worse than trying and failing.
 
The Glory's light is filtered through Forge, which will be filtered through us. If we use it responsibly, it need not be. Besides, in this race, you can't afford to satisfy everyone. To reach Glory first, some sacrifices have to be made.
Somehow, we quickly moved from distributing occult knowledge to accelerate progress to usurping the power of the Forge.
On the other hand, it's not that I'm against the first or the second, I just urge you not to be mistaken that thousands will not curse us at the end of the road, even if in the end our actions will benefit humanity.
Hmm, it would seem that what does Cauldron have to do with it?
Forge of Days is God-from-Light and has never been human. It is this human perspective that gives us advantage to use our powers with more restraint.
It is unlikely that this example can be indicative. Literally no one can stand up to Crime of the Sky, so the Forge eventually did the right thing.
But unfortunately, no one could predict that the worms would begin to breed on the corpse.
Also the whole point of setting off the atomic bomb, is to advance the Forge, from it currant state to something like Industry or Machining.
...and slow down the rotation of the Earth a little.
Also on the Forge discussion/physics, the laws of physics aren't secondary to the lores they're a part of them and in some ways higher. The T6 Forge Lore is the secret of radioactive decay meaning radioactive decay exists and is higher on the fundamental part of the universe staircase then Forge is. Put another way Forge is co-opting decay.
Not obligatory. In the end, the world is shaped by the disputes of Hour among themselves and not solely by one Forge.
As for the laws of physics, I want to cite one revealing fact. When Sun-in-Splendour was killed, some colors simply disappeared from the world, and they no longer exist.
B: The cities were important because of the fracture, not people. We could just evacuate them and then set off the bomb, killing no one.
This city should exist in all stories. So the evacuation of the population is becoming problematic, to put it mildly.
 
[X] She laughed and took you in hand, skipping across the street as she sang. It was a song about the world, a song that she sang from her heart as the two of you danced, your feet pounding in time with the thunder above you. (HEART is the principle of life, preservation and protection, as well as of the dance that must never cease. It is known, even if subconsciously, by any creature that knows happiness and perseverance in the face of adversity, and it is put into practice by dancers.)

Personal preference, I'm okay with anything that wins.
 
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