The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
He said "not omniscient". Using the Smurf as a reference.
Does This Mean I Can't Watch TV Anymore? (Worm Quest)
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Exactly. There was that quote from the QM saying that the conflicts would scale to the power levels you guys get. So by rushing to get invulnerability and mind blank and all that other shit, you're just digging the hole deeper, and begging for a endbringer or S9 fight, rather than street level stuff.
Also, the whole "spending time to deal with issues or being happy" being the things that stabilize the sanity meter, but instead reaching for more powers. But I realize trying to get non-dakka actions like that that are a lost cause.
Also, the whole "spending time to deal with issues or being happy" being the things that stabilize the sanity meter, but instead reaching for more powers. But I realize trying to get non-dakka actions like that that are a lost cause.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Hey I agree with the spending time being a teen thing. I'm just stockpiling characters for later.
I don't care about your out of context rationalizations to prevent Taylor being able to defend herself. I know that logic says that mind blank as you call it should have been the very first power we got, simply because the less rope you give the smurf to hang you with the better. In world, with the information that Taylor has she absolutely could make that deduction. Everyone knows that endbringers target people that can make a difference, she now has cosmic power. Do the math.
Besides, even in your rationale, it's too late. You already went out and got a broken power that absolutely can be abused by the monsters in the setting, not getting mind blank right now is completely irresponsible.
Unless it's all a plan by the Smurf to prevent Contessa from being able to kill Taylor while letting Contessa (also a useful tool) alive. Ohhhh. Well whatever, i still prefer to leave her less material to model us.
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Well, i guess you can feel safe trusting on luck and QM benovolence to pretend that the Simurgh will not care and / or not discover your power if you lay low and don't take measures against her clairvoyance.
To be honest, even getting countermeasures is a risk, if she notices and escalates a countermeasure to our countermeasure.
Which she very well might because we know from canon that Coil is part and parcel of a Simurgh plot (Travelers) and Coil and Tattletale will notice this. However, pretending everything is fine if she does get interested in us is a sure(r) way to get fucked.
Actually i kinda suspect Worm itself is structured like it was a Simurgh plot to kill Scion with Taylor a central part, so the QM can justify you're already fucked sideways.
To be honest, even getting countermeasures is a risk, if she notices and escalates a countermeasure to our countermeasure.
Which she very well might because we know from canon that Coil is part and parcel of a Simurgh plot (Travelers) and Coil and Tattletale will notice this. However, pretending everything is fine if she does get interested in us is a sure(r) way to get fucked.
Actually i kinda suspect Worm itself is structured like it was a Simurgh plot to kill Scion with Taylor a central part, so the QM can justify you're already fucked sideways.
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I'd offer Blinks power from Xanth series not very op, has limits, and generally helpful without being the center of attention.
No its not really plot armor, it can be worked around and cant really help in physical fights that involve skill, or at all.
No its not really plot armor, it can be worked around and cant really help in physical fights that involve skill, or at all.
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Hello there, Mr. Strawman!
I have literally never claimed we shouldn't get anti precog abilities. Neither have I said we should rely entirely on luck and GM's benevolence.
What you should do, however, is calm down and stop being such an overly sarcastic twit to everyone else. Your holier-than-thou attitude and bossiness are exactly the things I don't want to see in my spare time playing what amounts to a game.
Please, shut up or get your act together before making any further posts.
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I honestly don't see what stopping us from finding something to prevent us from being wrecked by thinkers, mostly its just discussing what we are looking for.
Besides, would the Simurgh even be able to affect us, cause she affects people through TK brain surgery and using post/precognition to do it, but would she even be able to bring about enough force to affect us? Cause we are REALLY durable, like durable to the level of outright "just no." levels of durability, which means that I doubt that she could effect our brain with the power being on.
Besides, would the Simurgh even be able to affect us, cause she affects people through TK brain surgery and using post/precognition to do it, but would she even be able to bring about enough force to affect us? Cause we are REALLY durable, like durable to the level of outright "just no." levels of durability, which means that I doubt that she could effect our brain with the power being on.
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Sarcasm is a beautiful flower of the internet and i'm proud of mine. It keeps me sane. So no, i have no urge to obey your dictat (can you believe auto correct says this is wrong?).
@Sour Knight, currently she can't use that power, and the Simurgh doesn't depend on just brute force to destroy people. Actually, i kinda expect her to mindfuck and brutalize Danny like Jack in Canon (it probably was her arranging it there too). But them's them breaks when you get Goku level power without thinking of how to protect yourself and your loved ones first.
You're right that being brain immune is probably a good first step to avoid breaking too early, but she'll just get tricky then.
@Sour Knight, currently she can't use that power, and the Simurgh doesn't depend on just brute force to destroy people. Actually, i kinda expect her to mindfuck and brutalize Danny like Jack in Canon (it probably was her arranging it there too). But them's them breaks when you get Goku level power without thinking of how to protect yourself and your loved ones first.
You're right that being brain immune is probably a good first step to avoid breaking too early, but she'll just get tricky then.
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I can. Because it is.
Oxford Dictionaries said:
Edit: I do believe the popular consent is for you to stop fraying on the nerves of other voters. As such, this isn't a diktat.
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Also why would we gather the Simurghs attention for being Brute: Yes? It still wouldn't beat it, and in a week of quest time we will have probably managed to find some form of fiction that will help with the precog problem, so all this fear mongering is kinda a bit much considering, all we need to do is go looking for fiction that has powers about being fateless or something, shouldn't be that hard considering that there is a lot of us so we can all just calm down and think about how hilarious having a tail is.
Because the quest has a sanity meter and the Simurgh operates by spreading hopelessness and triggers through proxies? And our brute rating is 'can destroy cities in 2 hours'? If you want Taylor to be known as another S class threat by all means, ignore this, but i'm of the opinion that the faster you prepare, the less chance of Jack giving a wider smile to danny in this alternate reality (not much of a chance sadly. Danny will not have mind blank powers).
That is, if logic reigns, if you just want to touch the fluffy tail, by all means pretend the Simurgh doesn't exist. Maybe the QM will not even fuck you over.*
*although i personally would be sad, because canon didn't ignore her almost omniscience. It hangs together that the events of the Golden Morning are so unlikely and so dependent on Taylor being traumatized in that exact way and being a master and all that it was a Smurf rebellion.**
**Consider also that if this reality is consistent with canon until the alt-power and that premise holds, things just got derailed, and getting a mindblank power on top might push her to another alternative, or even negotiation, since usually it was Eden placing limits on shards, so from her perspective we're either a new thing (not a parahuman) or a unlocked shard from Eden if she can't tell.
That is, if logic reigns, if you just want to touch the fluffy tail, by all means pretend the Simurgh doesn't exist. Maybe the QM will not even fuck you over.*
*although i personally would be sad, because canon didn't ignore her almost omniscience. It hangs together that the events of the Golden Morning are so unlikely and so dependent on Taylor being traumatized in that exact way and being a master and all that it was a Smurf rebellion.**
**Consider also that if this reality is consistent with canon until the alt-power and that premise holds, things just got derailed, and getting a mindblank power on top might push her to another alternative, or even negotiation, since usually it was Eden placing limits on shards, so from her perspective we're either a new thing (not a parahuman) or a unlocked shard from Eden if she can't tell.
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Okay, firstly your level or paranoia is kinda high there and secondly the Nine are not that big of a threat when we can just throw them into orbit and they won't be coming back.
Also the precog blank power is directly on our list as next to get so the concern isn't that high as I don't think you understand what will happen when we get it.
Once we are immune to precog all things close to us basically become uncertain which means that the methods used to mess with us become harder and harder as even if they base us off when we didn't have it, how would they know things weren't going according to plan when all Ziz thinks we are is a brute then suddenly we pull out stuff she hadn't seen and that we could completely blindside her when she even becomes a problem.
Also the precog blank power is directly on our list as next to get so the concern isn't that high as I don't think you understand what will happen when we get it.
Once we are immune to precog all things close to us basically become uncertain which means that the methods used to mess with us become harder and harder as even if they base us off when we didn't have it, how would they know things weren't going according to plan when all Ziz thinks we are is a brute then suddenly we pull out stuff she hadn't seen and that we could completely blindside her when she even becomes a problem.
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Luck in Nasuverse is defined as one's ability to defy fate. The rankings system is relative to Servants, so it's iffy on how good they really are, but Servants pull off some utterly ridiculous stunts.
Except it's February 26, 2016. You were saying?
Maaa, i forgot about that date thing, good catch. Nothing else seems to have changed though.
And you Sour Knight do have a point about chaotic alterations starting from Taylor disrupting things... but if the Simurgh does want us to suffer she can do it by pushing things where we aren't and using a heavier hand than usual and short term paths.
This is why Danny is in danger, Jack Slash going against you with loaded with powers is obvious result. But Jack Slash going to your house while you're involved on a gang war with the E88 like in canon? Worse, i don't think the distraction really has to be all that much time. She's perfectly able to influence Jack to move to BB and then influence him to get Danny when you're not there in a short postcog path (the past is fixed, reactions of other people would say where we are, etc).
She might not because your reaction would be uncertain without heavy modeling. Which is another reason to blind her now i guess. Prevent heavier modeling and discourage a central role in her plans (she might try to kill you because of your disturbance though *shrug*.)
And you Sour Knight do have a point about chaotic alterations starting from Taylor disrupting things... but if the Simurgh does want us to suffer she can do it by pushing things where we aren't and using a heavier hand than usual and short term paths.
This is why Danny is in danger, Jack Slash going against you with loaded with powers is obvious result. But Jack Slash going to your house while you're involved on a gang war with the E88 like in canon? Worse, i don't think the distraction really has to be all that much time. She's perfectly able to influence Jack to move to BB and then influence him to get Danny when you're not there in a short postcog path (the past is fixed, reactions of other people would say where we are, etc).
She might not because your reaction would be uncertain without heavy modeling. Which is another reason to blind her now i guess. Prevent heavier modeling and discourage a central role in her plans (she might try to kill you because of your disturbance though *shrug*.)
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You want to have Taylor play as a nasuverse character? Do you want to push Taylor's sanity to zero?
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... Point. Still, conceptually having the origin of humanity's wisdom is pretty damn awesome.
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Felt like this was a good reminder for people.
Good old escalation. Really ideally, Taylor wouldn't have a deadweight parent and we could escalate all the way to the (almost) top of this pyramid of evil by first becoming a mindblank, then quickly moving to other places under our own power with red spy so the Smurf doesn't have even a shadow of a clue where we are and then prepare to kill her in as unavoidable a manner as we could.
But since that's a pipe dream, i think the Smurf will strike first. Narratively speaking. And the crazy train will get crazier than that scenario before it hits.
Which is a pity, because to give up initiative in a war is kinda bad and Taylor will be crazier at the end than if she was coldly calculating at the start and strike at the ultimate (as far as she knows) enemy first.
But since that's a pipe dream, i think the Smurf will strike first. Narratively speaking. And the crazy train will get crazier than that scenario before it hits.
Which is a pity, because to give up initiative in a war is kinda bad and Taylor will be crazier at the end than if she was coldly calculating at the start and strike at the ultimate (as far as she knows) enemy first.
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Ah, that's because Contessa/Cauldron practically was doing the Simurgh's work, to a point that i don't think it can even be called coincidental. For example: manton getting the siberian vial, Gray Boy getting his vial, the vials shipment getting lost into the Travelers hands, they being convinced that the S9 is actually useful to their end goal instead of fantastically harmful (Jack and Scion), some more things i forget. All of these aren't really intentional but they show that the purported Cauldron PoV advantage probably isn't all that against a master manipulator hidden from it like the Smurf.
Also I'll especially note that conversation between Jack and Scion sounds exactly like a prepared trigger set to explode at just the right time after all conditions are set and could have been done earlier or later since both are static personalities, which sounds just like the Smurf M.O.
So it's not that i exactly think that Contessa will come down to kills us. It's that i was trying to find devil advocate ways for a 'don't get Simurgh immunity right now!' stance to make sense. And the only thing i could think of was, either she will find out too soon and escalate, or she's counting on that to make something happen to Contessa, which would put us in Contessa path from pre-modeling or from Simurgh modeling Contessa.
Also I'll especially note that conversation between Jack and Scion sounds exactly like a prepared trigger set to explode at just the right time after all conditions are set and could have been done earlier or later since both are static personalities, which sounds just like the Smurf M.O.
So it's not that i exactly think that Contessa will come down to kills us. It's that i was trying to find devil advocate ways for a 'don't get Simurgh immunity right now!' stance to make sense. And the only thing i could think of was, either she will find out too soon and escalate, or she's counting on that to make something happen to Contessa, which would put us in Contessa path from pre-modeling or from Simurgh modeling Contessa.
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