Deep Red (Avatar: The Last Airbender)

Maybe it's the fact that she's in a very unstable emotional state that causee her to lash out. That and Akane's choice of words probably pressed a decent amount of trauma buttons seeing as the servant isn't thinking clearly in the first place due to the whole misunderstanding about the 'illegitimate child' situation.
 
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Nah it's gonna be Akane's mum.

Ursa has untraceable poisons - unless Ozai went to her and asked about them similar to canon (and she answered him and confirmed that yes, it is a thing she can do), and subsequently had everything he ever eats taste-tested, he'd be dead. Much more likely it's the servant girl.

Voting was...as has been described, polarizing, between the 'have akane go full fire lord' and 'have akane go full morals' - but even without that, the 'continual whiplash' from Ursa trying, only to have some misunderstanding and/or leftover sentiment happening again in the latest update kinda.....grated, a little?

Granted, I'm moreso on team ursa getting her shit together (compared to the alternative of falling under Ozai's sole custody) - which was ruined as soon as anons voted for Akane lording her importance over a clearly hysterical and messed up servant (even if the servant's wording/phrasing felt way out of place for a servant of that time period) - but this latest update pushed Akane pretty hard back on the canon(ish) rails.

On some level, I get that the Ursa-trust-well is far too poisoned with past events/actions for Akane to give any more benefit of the doubt than she does (which, in essence, is taking her parental trust ball back home), but....something felt a little off to me.

Hopefully this isn't Ursa banishment time just yet, but I suppose we'll have to wait and see. At the least, maybe she'll write a letter.
 
Uh, no. A little niceness to a presumably indoctrinated and relatively uneducated servant from someone of a higher station does not result in a dramatic change of personal morality and ethics, it generally results in the gratitude, loyalty, or exploitation. Like, it took us multiple millennia to get to "all men are created equal" in real history, and we aren't even at "all people are equal" irl.
I think Ursa told her that as a way of reverse-indoctrination. We do know that Ursa can be very manipulative and vindictive herself, so this might have been a way to try and have the servant hurt Ozai.
 
I'm curious as to where the servant girl got such ideas as all people are worth the same by virtue of them all being people in her head. It seems like a pretty obvious setup for an orange and blue morality moment for the audience, but it breaks my sod because there is no explanation in universe to how she got such an idea. The Air Nomads had their elders, the Water Tribe has their old sexist men, the Fire Nation has a Monarchy, and the Earth Kingdom has a monarchy too. Having been indoctrinated her whole life to believe that she is indeed worth less then royalty, her explosion is dramatic but makes no sense. Obviously might makes right has examples, but as a untrained servant, she shouldn't even be close to entertaining such thoughts.

See, I interpreted that bit differently. Yes, I agree that those concepts were too developed, they'd take too much form, and most of all, she articulated them too poorly for them to have all come from her, or indeed any one person.

I didn't see this as a plothole. I saw it as world building.

Be careful Akane; if The Avatar doesn't get you, The Revolution will.
 
Individual people have their own idiosyncrasies. Generalizations based on the entire society rarely apply to every single individual. As an example, there was a cynic on Krete during the Hellenistic Period who was known to have a fully egalitarian marriage with his wife at a time when the man had utter power over the household and sexism was intensely ingrained. It doesn't have be to seeds of a revolution, it can just be how that person be.
 
...Or it could have just been Ursa being a decent human being?
Ursa doesn't have a good track record with ulterior motivations.

Logically speaking, there is no reason for her to be acting as the servant's personal physician and confidant instead of sending a real doctor or just the medical supplies. But doing so would help endear her to the servant and potentially gain info on Ozai.

Also the way she threw her other peasant "friend" under the bus to smear Akane's legitimacy indicates that Ursa does NOT practice whatever she preached to Chae about equality.
 
It doesn't have be to seeds of a revolution, it can just be how that person be.

Sure, but the time periods match well. That Cretan Cynic could have communicated his ideas to what, a few dozen people a day? Maximum? If he dedicated his entire life to it? And eventually he'd have already told everyone in his immediate area who cared to know, so his rates would drop even further.

But in an era like this with high literacy? Ideas can move fast. And like I said, I don't think she came up with it. She was way too willing to say it, far too willing to respond with force when the ideas were challenged.

If she'd come up with it by herself, there would have been long periods where she's still developing the ideas, and bouncing them off of people around her. Which would have been noticed by whoever runs the maids at the palace, and if she wasn't made to shut up, she never would have been serving the Fire Lord directly. If she was made to shut up such that serving the Fire Lord would be possible, she wouldn't have had enough people to bounce the ideas off of in order to develop them to where they are.

Frankly, the Fire Palace is the worst place for ideas like this to be birthed, and even if they were birthed there they wouldn't have been able to grow to what we see here. No, these seeds came to fruition elsewhere, and have since spread so far that a servant in the Imperial Palace is spouting them to the heir to the throne. If you're a member of a hereditary, Divine Right to Rule Monarchy, this is bad.

Complex ideas like this can take a long time to arise, and an even longer time to take root, but once they're out there its too late to stop them. You can't kill an idea, and trying will only make it spread faster. Its only a matter of time before something boils over. It could be decades, but the longer this punishing war goes on while the Royals play petty politics and, ahem, eat cake, the less time there is.
 
Royals play petty politics and, ahem, eat cake, the less time there is.

But the royals don't just eat cake. They're almost always on the front lines of the war. I mean, Lu Ten just died. The royals are fighting and dying alongside the common soldiers. Having a peek into the palace lets Akane know about all the politics that goes on, but to the common citizen the royals aren't just sitting pretty in the palace oblivious to the outside world.
 
But the royals don't just eat cake. They're almost always on the front lines of the war. I mean, Lu Ten just died. The royals are fighting and dying alongside the common soldiers. Having a peek into the palace lets Akane know about all the politics that goes on, but to the common citizen the royals aren't just sitting pretty in the palace oblivious to the outside world.
This is another reason that its really weird. People don't just get radical ideas in their head when their superiors are doing the whole leading by example thing, it usually comes only when people are dissatisfied by a distant ruler being mean to them. If anything, the Earth Kingdom under Long Feng is where I'd expect this to come up, and then be squashed repeatedly.

Sure, but the time periods match well. That Cretan Cynic could have communicated his ideas to what, a few dozen people a day? Maximum? If he dedicated his entire life to it? And eventually he'd have already told everyone in his immediate area who cared to know, so his rates would drop even further.

But in an era like this with high literacy? Ideas can move fast. And like I said, I don't think she came up with it. She was way too willing to say it, far too willing to respond with force when the ideas were challenged.

If she'd come up with it by herself, there would have been long periods where she's still developing the ideas, and bouncing them off of people around her. Which would have been noticed by whoever runs the maids at the palace, and if she wasn't made to shut up, she never would have been serving the Fire Lord directly. If she was made to shut up such that serving the Fire Lord would be possible, she wouldn't have had enough people to bounce the ideas off of in order to develop them to where they are.

Frankly, the Fire Palace is the worst place for ideas like this to be birthed, and even if they were birthed there they wouldn't have been able to grow to what we see here. No, these seeds came to fruition elsewhere, and have since spread so far that a servant in the Imperial Palace is spouting them to the heir to the throne. If you're a member of a hereditary, Divine Right to Rule Monarchy, this is bad.

Complex ideas like this can take a long time to arise, and an even longer time to take root, but once they're out there its too late to stop them. You can't kill an idea, and trying will only make it spread faster. Its only a matter of time before something boils over. It could be decades, but the longer this punishing war goes on while the Royals play petty politics and, ahem, eat cake, the less time there is.
This is kind of weird too, because you'd think the Fire nobles would have intelligence networks, especially in wartime, where the public opinion is super important to control.

Individual people have their own idiosyncrasies. Generalizations based on the entire society rarely apply to every single individual. As an example, there was a cynic on Krete during the Hellenistic Period who was known to have a fully egalitarian marriage with his wife at a time when the man had utter power over the household and sexism was intensely ingrained. It doesn't have be to seeds of a revolution, it can just be how that person be.

This is true, but the chances of it is minuscule, which contributes to the breaking of sod.
 
But the royals don't just eat cake. They're almost always on the front lines of the war. I mean, Lu Ten just died. The royals are fighting and dying alongside the common soldiers.

Followed almost immediately by a palace coup, which does not look good. Especially with Iroh supposedly dying for unrelated reasons soon after. From the outside, the whole thing really looks like Ozai had all three of the people ahead of him for the throne assassinated in, like, a week and a half...

...Costing them their push on Ba Sing Se, and wasting the lives of every single soldier who died for it. It doesn't help that one of those three people very much was assassinated.

Sure, in the immediate aftermath nobody is going to be thinking that way, but Lu Ten's death isn't going to be recent forever. Like I said, I think it will be some number of decades before things boil over. And its not like Ozai will be doing hearts-and-minds work in the meantime.

Hense my comment:
Be careful Akane; if The Avatar doesn't get you, The Revolution will.

If Ozai doesn't go down to the Avatar, I really don't think he'll be dying of old age. If Akane kills him... well honestly, another coup might make things worse. But if her policies are sufficiently good for the people, she could potentially avert disaster... for now. Once ideas like this get out there, they'll never go away completely. Akane's successors will need to be uniformly careful and competent forever, which is of course impossible.

Butt if Akane doesn't kill Ozai, or Akane doesn't rule well enough...
 
You're going at this all wrong @Jamie Roberts. The Fire Nation is called the Fire Nation for a reason. It has a national education system and a savvy effort at indoctrinating the average citizen. It is clearly coded as being imperialistic late-19th century Japan domestically, not the Kingdom of France 1789.
 
You're going at this all wrong @Jamie Roberts. The Fire Nation is called the Fire Nation for a reason. It has a national education system and a savvy effort at indoctrinating the average citizen. It is clearly coded as being imperialistic late-19th century Japan domestically, not the Kingdom of France 1789.
Yep, like the Earth Kingdom being a late Qing or Ming China (more Ming in culture, Qing in timeframe)
Fire Nation is basically Meiji Japan (without the restoration part)
 
You're going at this all wrong @Jamie Roberts. The Fire Nation is called the Fire Nation for a reason. It has a national education system and a savvy effort at indoctrinating the average citizen. It is clearly coded as being imperialistic late-19th century Japan domestically, not the Kingdom of France 1789.
Yep, like the Earth Kingdom being a late Qing or Ming China (more Ming in culture, Qing in timeframe)
Fire Nation is basically Meiji Japan (without the restoration part)

While I agree with all the words in these two posts, I'm not sure what your point is. Its hardly as if France 1789 is the only nation in history to be swept up in the tides of Revolution.
 
I actually liked the way the chapter turned out, it was fucking emotional!

Akane's an incredibly tightly wound kid with a traumatic family life and a nation's worth of pressure on her shoulders. Reacting in a less than optimal fashion was a long time coming so I think calmly ignoring her own issues in favour of the servant's would have made her come across as an emotionless puppet of the playerbase.

Especially when she goes to confront her mum and is ignored for what looks to be another issue between her parents.
 
Ursa doesn't have a good track record with ulterior motivations.

I think it's kind of pertinent to note that while yes, Ursa does have a horrendous track record (both here and in canon), she was, you know, forcibly taken from her love interest, sold as chattel into Azulon's family, and expected to produce heirs for the fire nation.

Being a little out of sorts and/or not being the best with her kids (that she didn't necessarily even want, and especially since Ozai is a piece of shit) is, while not necessarily excusable, at least understandable.

Logically speaking, there is no reason for her to be acting as the servant's personal physician and confidant instead of sending a real doctor or just the medical supplies. But doing so would help endear her to the servant and potentially gain info on Ozai.

Maybe she feels bad for not sleeping with Ozai anymore, so she considers it her responsibility to make up for the hurt he causes?

Also the way she threw her other peasant "friend" under the bus to smear Akane's legitimacy indicates that Ursa does NOT practice whatever she preached to Chae about equality.

She says RIGHT IN THE CHAPTER that she was trying to piss Ozai off in a 'needling revenge' type situation, not that she was trying to seriously de-legitimatize Akane's chances at becoming the future ruler.

Whether or not that's true is up for debate (and Ozai certainly used that to his advantage), but while she does want to take her kids and flee (as seen here and in canon), a part of her knows it's not happening.
 
I think it's important to point out that Akane... is kind of right. This is a world where a seizable portion of the population is objectively and measurably better than the rest. Even when 'normals' can develop techniques to narrow the gap, they will never close it because they will never be benders. If this servant girl actually tries to force a revolution, she'll fail bad without bender suport.

That's why I believe there wasn't anything deep about this, I think this was Ursa (consciously or not) manipulating the girl into hating Ozai and hoping to hurt him through her. Just like she tried to do with Akane and the letter.
 
While I agree with all the words in these two posts, I'm not sure what your point is. Its hardly as if France 1789 is the only nation in history to be swept up in the tides of Revolution.

Revolution isn't just built on ideas, it's also built on economic and political unrest. The Fire Nation is in the hands of a psychopath, but a very capable one, who by all accounts is in a long line of capable rulers, all of which have expanded the Fire Nation's boundaries and created extensive colonies throughout the Earth Kingdom that brings raw materials back to the motherland. Fire Nation citizens clearly enjoy relatively high standards of living. Benders, the most dangerous portion of the population, have their frustrations eased by the fact that they can rise to the top of the military.
 
I think it's important to point out that Akane... is kind of right. This is a world where a seizable portion of the population is objectively and measurably better than the rest. Even when 'normals' can develop techniques to narrow the gap, they will never close it because they will never be benders. If this servant girl actually tries to force a revolution, she'll fail bad without bender suport.

That's why I believe there wasn't anything deep about this, I think this was Ursa (consciously or not) manipulating the girl into hating Ozai and hoping to hurt him through her. Just like she tried to do with Akane and the letter.
This, and the fact that by all metrics, even without bending, Akane is more important. Why? One of them has a nation at her back, and is the second most powerful person in it. One is a servant, who's only claim to influence would be leveraging the fact that she serves the royal family directly, over a kitchen maid or something.
Revolution isn't just built on ideas, it's also built on economic and political unrest.
Specifically, in 1789 France, they were bankrupted, among other things, by the Seven Years War, and the nobility not giving a shit. Marie Antoinette may not have said "let them eat cake" but the phrase does a damn good job of describing the relationship between nobles and peasants, then and there.
 
...So, is Akane going to go to Mitsuko's sword forging?
Yeah I actually said that in the quest chat once the live was over. All this could have been avoided if we snuck out to Mitsuko's place for the forging and it probably have been this cute and positive emotional scene.

But people wanted Daddies permission and whewwwwwwwwwwww boi do we all see how THAT turned out. Now we're probably not going to be able to go to her place at all cause we're gunna be locked up for fears of 'assassins'.
 
I don't know why people wanted Dad's permission. It feels a little weird for Akane, but maybe she's just afraid of her father doing something to Mitsuko and taking her away and wanted to at least preempt that.
 
I don't know why people wanted Dad's permission. It feels a little weird for Akane, but maybe she's just afraid of her father doing something to Mitsuko and taking her away and wanted to at least preempt that.
He is the fire lord and Akane family patriarch. Mitsuko father is not in good graces and the previous fire lord has restricted Mitsuko father access to fire lord family events. So Akane must ask permission to go to the event if she doesn't want her or Mitsuko or Mitsuko father to be in deep trouble.
 
Yeah, I was happy to see she tried to ask because I expected not doing so to go really wrong. Not that this ended happily either...
 
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