Deep Red (Avatar: The Last Airbender)

Just to bring over the theory crafting from the akun chat.

Existential Horror Time

Ozai is possessed by a spirit bound to the human fire lords as punishment for the genocide of the dragons. He genuinely does love his family, but is forced to torture them until they finally kill him, perpetrated the cycle of abuse until the Fire Lord line dies out.

Imagine if hidden in his desk, there is a journal that Ozai wrote to memorialise all the things he wished he could have told his family. The spirit let's him write it because it's funny to it that Ozai knows the only time it will ever get read is if he tortures his children enough that they kill him.

Also, because it makes a great introduction for the spirit for the heir apparent. They kill their father, read the journal, and then, they find their limbs moving on their own, retrieving a blank journal laid out on the desk, finding a pen in their hand, and a gentle encouragement in the back of their head to write their first entry.
 
Just to bring over the theory crafting from the akun chat.

Existential Horror Time

Ozai is possessed by a spirit bound to the human fire lords as punishment for the genocide of the dragons. He genuinely does love his family, but is forced to torture them until they finally kill him, perpetrated the cycle of abuse until the Fire Lord line dies out.

Imagine if hidden in his desk, there is a journal that Ozai wrote to memorialise all the things he wished he could have told his family. The spirit let's him write it because it's funny to it that Ozai knows the only time it will ever get read is if he tortures his children enough that they kill him.

Also, because it makes a great introduction for the spirit for the heir apparent. They kill their father, read the journal, and then, they find their limbs moving on their own, retrieving a blank journal laid out on the desk, finding a pen in their hand, and a gentle encouragement in the back of their head to write their first entry.

Would be more believable were he not an utter bastard way, way before he became the Firelord.
 
You should remove the links, i think it is against SV's rules to link to nsfw pages.
Right, thanks for the reminder T . T

Anyways, the first is on pg 6024, second is on pg 6026, if anyone wants to verify it for themselves. (pg numbers seem to shift a bit, so look around there)
I too thought Akane would have at least a tiny chance. Especially if she'd used lightning from the start, given Ozai can't really counter it that well either.
 
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I am in physical pain at the cliffhanger, why have you done this. Not only are you one of the hardest bosses in the game @kosm but now you've going to destroy me mentally as well? Such power, STRINTH! Keep up the great work and have a nice day!

-Gwyn

P.S. If you don't update soon I am compelled, and obligated, to kill you. Good luck.
 
Would be more believable were he not an utter bastard way, way before he became the Firelord.
I mean, he was more dadly back in the beginning. He was the one who taught Akane that her Will was her sun, after all. Even bad people can love their families.

Plus, it adds to the sadism factor of Akane being his heir. He knows now just what it means to be a Fire Lord now, and can't stop himself grooming his daughters to take his place as the most powerful puppet on the planet.
 
Also, an explanation for why Ozai was a massive dick before becoming Firelord: Azulon was driven insane and so the spirit decided to move on early.

It chose Ozai as it always intended Ozai to kill Iroh for the throne even though Ozai secretly loved his brother hugely, and one of the last entries in Ozai's diary is him thanking Akane for managing to save Iroh from himself.
 
I think the (first) ultimate firebending skill we should learn is the firebending analogy to bloodbending - that is, lighting fires inside foes, and popping them.

+Think of how to frame this to listeners in a way that will mollify your father a bit. (32)
Hehehe, the readers' vote is "author please fix our vote".
 
She does love him as well, I would say. It's just that he and circumstances aren't making it easy to show.
That is a bit exaggerated honestly, she claims to care about him and then proceeds to rarely do anything or even think about him positively. Hell, even with Iroh she complained about being complemented being "A way to compliment Zuko." Akane says she loves him and then shows that she doesn't consistently.
 
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She does love him as well, I would say. It's just that he and circumstances aren't making it easy to show.
Akane is also a fifteen year old girl with an abusive father, an absentee mother, a perfectionist complex, and an ongoing clash between her homosexuality and a harsh conservative upbringing. Through it all Akane has managed to maintain a close relationship with her sister, who is herself a sociopath, and a cordial relationship with her brother. Maybe Zuko feels neglected, but honestly Akane has a lot happening in her life.

From a meta perspective, I doubt it would have been possible to maintain all the relationships Akane has now and Zuko without making sacrifices. Getting close to Zuko would have had consequences elsewhere, whether that would have meant alienating Azula, an earlier confrontation with Ozai, pushing Mitsuko away, falling behind on studies/training, etc.
 
I'm very skeptical of the decisions to continue training with Iroh, that just seems foolish. Flaunting Ozai's command that blatantly is just a stupid decision that pissed him off.

As for the actual spar session, mostly satisfied. Think it is interesting that Akane's perfection of form would be criticized as focusing too much on presentation and not on practical ripping offense. Refusal to hurt Azula is good, the "My will is my sun" line is amazing. But the final petty "let's deliberately try to piss you off" line was just definitely a step too far that accomplished nothing but make the aftermath of this worse.

And holy crap, I hope the aftermath of this doesn't completely wreck Akane, because it very well might. The letter is gone, so that's a road to disinheritance that is closed off, but we're a major suspect.
 
I'm very skeptical of the decisions to continue training with Iroh, that just seems foolish. Flaunting Ozai's command that blatantly is just a stupid decision that pissed him off.

As for the actual spar session, mostly satisfied. Think it is interesting that Akane's perfection of form would be criticized as focusing too much on presentation and not on practical ripping offense. Refusal to hurt Azula is good, the "My will is my sun" line is amazing. But the final petty "let's deliberately try to piss you off" line was just definitely a step too far that accomplished nothing but make the aftermath of this worse.

And holy crap, I hope the aftermath of this doesn't completely wreck Akane, because it very well might. The letter is gone, so that's a road to disinheritance that is closed off, but we're a major suspect.

It is actually very difficult to judge long term consequences currently.

Basically the only reason I am pretty sure of Akane's survival is that ending quest now would be all kinds of disappointing.

On the other hand, Iroh should be able to get at least some information about what happened, and it just might be enough for him to act.
Even if not, this episode should push him more firmly into our corner in the future.

It also just might show Zuko that Akane's life is not better than his.

And finally, I hope that it was enough to ensure Azula's loyalty.
 
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That is a bit exaggerated honestly, she claims to care about him and then proceeds to rarely do anything or even think about him positively. Hell, even with Iroh she complained about being complemented being "A way to compliment Zuko." Akane says she cares about him and then shows that she doesn't consistently.
Ultimately, I think she is jealous of Zuko.

Zuko had a mother who loved him. Neither of her parents loved her.


He gets away performing only adequately (though "barely adequate" to Akane's estimation is probably good to great to others). Whereas her getting a compliment by an outsider (Osamu), leads her to being run to exhaustion, having to fight like that against Azula + 2 imperial firebenders, winning and still being told she wasn't good enough.

She is unable to spend time with her Uncle, who she had thought was dead but Zuko is allowed to as much as he wants. Iroh freely spends time with Zuko, and had only spent very little time with us, and those few times before this live being guarded.

She finally gets to spend time with Iroh, Ozai breaks it up the minute he enters the scene.

and frankly "proceeds to rarely do anything" with him, is a complicated matter. She certainly did less with him than Azula, but she tried spending time with him before Yu Dao.

Akane almost repaired the relationship between her and Zuko, and if she had fought to get him on the trip instead of folded to Ozai, she might just have done it:

"For a little bit, I thought maybe you actually did care," he bites out. "I thought I was being stupid when I yelled at you, and you at least tried to be there, and I should say something to you."

He... "Zuko, I -"

"Now I'm glad I didn't," he snaps. "Because you're just leaving me behind. At least when Mom left it wasn't because she wanted to."

You hold yourself still and keep your expression neutral. Is that what he thinks of you? He thinks you're as bad as Mother, or worse? Mother lied through her teeth to you all your life, she put you in danger, she left you alone to spend time with the child she actually cared about -

You are nothing like her. You are nothing like her and you never will be. You will never -

"You're nothing like Mom," Zuko spits. "And you never will be."

Your mouth opens slightly.

"I hope you have fun with Azula on your trip," he snaps.

If we could have found a way to get Zuko to come with us on the trip, we would have repaired that relationship. We didn't get the chance.

Of course then, he compares us to Mother, and then looks at us disfavourably to her, which is a bigger insult then he knows, from Akane's perspective.

Finally the avoidance after Yu Dao is actually on Zuko's side at least partially:

Apparently Zuko's performance in everything important is holding steady at its usual standard of 'barely adequate'. You wouldn't know. He avoids you constantly; he has ever since you returned from Yu Dao.

He's avoiding us, here, not the other way around. Giving him those two swords was probably seen as a consolation prize at best, a bad attempt at an apology at worst.

So he has a loving parent, gets to spend time with Uncle, who we see as loving him more than us, and he actively avoids us.

On the other hand we are the big sister who gets Father's respect in a way he never could, who favors Azula over him, who is better than him at everything seemingly effortlessly,who abandoned him, and who didn't really interact with him all that much until mother died.

They are both jealous of each other, and both resent each other, and… neither is in the right mindframe to correct that.

Now to move on for a bit:

Iroh willingly teaching Akane the dancing dragon form is… incredible, nearly unbelievable considering that he never taught canon Zuko that despite being with him for so much longer.

Honestly I think that the reason is born from two things, Akane bringing up Lu Ten, making him especially sentimental, and:

"The Water Tribes' philosophy emphasizes the importance of adaptability and community to endure change," you answer. "They hold trust in one's friends and allies to be as important as strength and wisdom in determining one's worthiness as a warrior or simply as an adult. In combat, waterbending focuses on combining attack with defense by turning an opponent's energy against them. On a spiritual level, the Water Tribes believe in a sort of metaphysical balance between push and pull, good and evil, and destruction and creation. They believe that these opposites always exist together."
Her description of the Water Tribes' philosophy.

This isn't propaganda, it doesn't look down on the water tribe, or misunderstand things. It doesn't make any attempts to show the fire nation's philosophy is superior.

This isn't after having spent a large amount of time with them, Akane isn't caught up between deciding between two sides.

She just honestly grasps the water tribes' philosophy with minimal bias.

Someone who respects the philosophy of the other nations, is exactly the type of person he would like on the throne. That plus the speech she made at Yu Dao, where she shows she respects the people in the colonies and thinks of them all as citizens of the fire nation, not just the ones whose ancestry hails from there, a speech that I am almost certain he knows about (but I could be wrong, if people at the palace intentionally keep info away from Iroh, which is depressingly possible), and well, Akane being Fire Lord eventually is the type of thing that is in the best interests of all going forward.

Now to deviate again:

People who remark on the votes made need to keep in mind one thing:

Fiction.Live isn't SV and isn't structured like SV.

This isn't meant to be an insult on either side but how quests are run is different.

Many of these votes are open for what? ten minutes? Less?

This works there because it is "live". People are notified when the quest is going to be live and so know to go there at the expected time. People stay on the page and chat while it is being written, if they open up a new tab, to do something else, there is an audible ping when the next part is submitted.

This gives the QM more opportunities to get reader input, give players more control over their character, and allows the quest to move at a quicker pace.

If it was on SV, each vote option would be a new vote, it would be open for often at least a day.

This means that the story takes longer, there is often less player input, but that we have time to distance ourselves and discuss things where that isn't the case over there.

So SV has time to cool down from the harsh events going down, and make what they think are the best decisions if they want to. We can make long effort posts to try to get people on side, discuss the vote options for hours, not that we always do, but we can.

Fiction.Live can't. You don't have time to cool down from the emotion of the moment, what is going on consumes you, you must make a decision quickly or suddenly the vote is closed.

There are no hours long moratoriums for players to think things through.

The time it takes to write this post is several times longer than the vote is open for.

And you know what? Sure they get caught up in the moment, but it makes it more authentic in a way. The character has little time to react and must decide. The character cannot just wait for a day or longer to make most of their decisions.

It is in the moment, they feel what the main character feels, and make a decision in the moment.

That is the birth of things like the Azulon comment.

Not having much time to discuss and make long back and forth's during the vote itself is the cause of things like picking to hang out with Iroh more, because he's one of your favourite characters, and is offering you a new form after just giving you one that players has long decided was needed (lightning redirection).

Or simply because they want to learn every scrape of bending knowledge they could.

Not that those are the only arguments for that decision, but it is a decision that is a gut instinct based off the moment.

And I can certainly respect that way of questing.

It doesn't always result in the best decisions, but no one in life makes the best decisions all the time, and certainly even with much more time SV doesn't always make better decisions :V.
 
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I feel like this kind of showdown was inevitable. Like Ozai himself said, he was trying to build her up into a worthy successor... but at the same time, that also makes her a potential threat to him, so he has a conflicting drive to get her either firmly under his thumb or eliminated.

He is, essentially, trying to pull her in two different directions, and punishing her for his inherent contradiction.
 
Was out of the house all day, sad I missed the live.
Now to see if Akane is just burned or if Ozai punishes her somehow else (banishment?)
 
Fiction.Live can't. You don't have time to cool down from the emotion of the moment, what is going on consumes you, you must make a decision quickly or suddenly the vote is closed.

There are no hours long moratoriums for players to think things through.

The time it takes to write this post is several times longer than the vote is open for.

And you know what? Sure they get caught up in the moment, but it makes it more authentic in a way. The character has little time to react and must decide. The character cannot just wait for a day or longer to make most of their decisions.

It is in the moment, they feel what the main character feels, and make a decision in the moment.

That is the birth of things like the Azulon comment.

Let's consider ourselves lucky that it doesn't use the model of the ancient quests, which took the first reply to the story update, or just the one the writer thought was most interesting. :V

But yeah, this is a good assessment. Another thing to consider is that fiction.live seperates out the chat into it's own ittle pane, and so the story doesn't end up having the context of all that went into the decision unless you dug. There's arguments and logical reasoning behind a lot of votes here and in kosms other quests, and I generally trust voters to not be intentionally doing anything wrong.
 
Can Iroh take on Ozai? Maybe it's time to get backup from the original crown prince since the runner up is batshit
In theory, but that would require the palace guard to not intervene. Without time to organize support for a coup, Iroh or Akane would have to strike a killing blow against Ozai before they could be subdued. And no matter how much they dislike Ozai, he is still family. I doubt either truly want to kill Ozai out of hand. Iroh might fight if Ozai attempts to maim Akane, but likely only long enough for Akane to flee.
 
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In theory, but that would require the palace guard to not intervene. Without time to organize support for a coup, Iroh or Akane would have to strike a killing blow against Ozai before they could be subdued.
"Training accident". The Firebenders who side with Azula in our spars would pretty much have to admit it's plausible, from what they've seen of Ozai. The man is deliberately courting a major injury for someone.

So just kill him with lightning and tell them he was working on lightning redirection.
 
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