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[x] Make sure Kyouko has a place to stay
[x] Ask if Kyouko would like to join The Gang™
[x] Discuss goals and objectives with The Gang™
[x] Explain to The Gang™ that Kyuubey can't be trusted

I have my doubts about how Kyouko would react to suddenly being hugged.
 
When we return in future...
Kyouko will be obsessed by Clarisse, instead Sayaka? You sure every one you plan that ship to sail?

And why would Kyouko accept it? Seriously? Why would she have positive reaction? o_O
At least will not be as bad as votes to surrender to berserk Mami....

[X] Ask if Kyouko would like to join The Gang™
[X] Discuss goals and objectives with The Gang™
[X] Kyubey was... usually... trustable, give him chance, don't actively spread distrust in him
[X] explain wraith system and future MG organization of wraith hunting to everyone, benefits of wraith system over witches
[X] Check on internet publishing houses to print Kyouko's book... It might be needed for all characters, so why not also get some profit in this capitalism age by selling it?
 
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No. Kyoko and Sayaka must be shipped.
Clarisse must be best friend.
 
I have my doubts about how Kyouko would react to suddenly being hugged.
The "hug Ryouko, then try to hug Kyouko too" approach should mitigate any "sudden hug" concerns, at least as concerns her physical reflexes.

She was flirting with us earlier. Why wouldn't she accept a hug from a pretty girl?
Bullying, flirting, who can really tell? <3

When we return in [the] future... [will] Kyouko be obsessed [with] Clarisse, instead [of] Sayaka? [Is everyone sure we want] that ship to sail?
No comment. certainly no comment to the effect of "oh, i'd like to hear: how precisely do you think you're going back to the future?"

No. Kyoko and Sayaka must be shipped. Clarisse must be best friend.
Reminder that Sayaka has, for the moment, successfully shipped herself with violin-boy.

At least will not be as bad as votes to surrender to berserk Mami....
Fact: I would have made that one work. She would have pinned Ryouko down and put a musket to her back, gone through Ryouko's stuff looking for grief seeds, found the cubes instead, and started asking pointed questions until she used them and calmed down. (Fighting her head-on would have also delivered a victory, though at the cost of a living Mami.) The endgame of Oriko's plot would have been prepared differently (a perfectly legitimate use of Oriko's powers).
 
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Fact: I would have made that one work. She would have pinned Ryouko down and put a musket to her back, gone through Ryouko's stuff looking for grief seeds, found the cubes instead, and started asking pointed questions until she used them and calmed down. (Fighting her head-on would have also delivered a victory, though at the cost of a living Mami.) The endgame of Oriko's plot would have been prepared differently (a perfectly legitimate use of Oriko's powers).
I call such fucking bullshit.

I'm sorry, but this legitimately pisses me off.

Mami opened up with attempted murder, full stop. Her first shot was without warning, intended to be instantly lethal. She would not listen to reason, even with us refusing to fight back in any way. She was already acting completely and utterly out of character, to the point where the only conceivable explanation for said behavior was being in a critical gem corruption state, such that she was well past being reasoned with with words or actions. She never hesitated when trying to kill us.

Trying to surrender would have resulted in Ryouko's brains being blown out of her head, period. That, or Ryouko somehow reacts in time to teleport away, in which case the entire attempt is futile to begin with.

That you somehow contrived for Homura, the girl who had just offered us her home to live in, the girl who probably saw us as the second (or third) person to treat her with unreserved kindness and support ever, to stab us in the back without warning, rather than even asking questions about whatever uncertainties she had about our actions, and then leave us to die when she realized she completely fucked up, was bad enough.

Saying that everything would have been easily and harmlessly resolved by doing the exact opposite of a reasonable, well-thought-out, or non-suicidal course of action, rather than by doing the creative, guaranteed-to-work solution we came up with (which you pulled a blatant Diablos Ex Machina to make completely fail, which still leaves gaping plot holes that you never even pretended to explain), is a fucking insult to your questers' intelligence and efforts to even participate in your quest.
 
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I call such fucking bullshit.

I'm sorry, but this legitimately pisses me off.

I am sorry to have pissed you off! If you believe this would have been an unreasonable decision under the circumstances without deep knowledge of authorial intent and that the design of it was unfair, it is a legitimate belief and possibly a real deficiency in the quest design! I was new to it at the time, after all. I am sure I would do it differently after these intervening months of experience.

However, my plans were in fact as I described them, starting from the premise of "girl with future sight decides to stop Ryouko from gathering allies — how??" and working forward from there. (Ryouko would have then be killed much later on in the scenario I described, mind you, specifics TBD, depending on the specifics of players frustrating my plans.)

You have my apologies for unintentionally giving offense and harming your enjoyment and I offer hugs-reactions and unironic hope that we can come out of this as friends.
 
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We're a little low on feedback, but it is fairly well-aligned.

[5] Hug Kyouko

[2] Hug Ryouko too
Hugging Ryouko first seems like a better plan then just hugging Kyouko out of nowhere.

[2] admit this is a horrible revelation to us as well, offer hope of change
[1] Reassure Kyouko by telling her you're from a future where it's not like that.
[1] Explain the future where it's not like that

We seem to be reluctant to share future-secrets.

[4] Make sure Kyouko has a place to stay
[5] Ask if Kyouko would like to join The Gang™
[5] Discuss goals and objectives with The Gang™

[-1] Explain witches to everyone

[4] Explain to The Gang™ that Kyuubey can't be trusted
[1] Give him a chance /人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\

[1] Ask Madoka to take over her job

I'm not sure it's that simple?
 
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I am sorry to have pissed you off! If you believe this would have been an unreasonable decision under the circumstances without deep knowledge of authorial intent and that the design of it was unfair, it is a legitimate belief and possibly a real deficiency in the quest design! I was new to it at the time, after all. I am sure I would do it differently after these intervening months of experience.

However, my plans were in fact as I described them, starting from the premise of "girl with future sight decides to stop Ryouko from gathering allies — how??" and working forward from there. (Ryouko would have then be killed much later on in the scenario I described, mind you, specifics TBD, depending on the specifics of players frustrating my plans.)

You have my apologies for unintentionally giving offense and harming your enjoyment and I offer hugs-reactions and unironic hope that we can come out of this as friends.
Nah, your planning was perfectly fine. Maybe some authors are willing to let a quest they've devoted massive amounts of time and energy into be fucked over by a stupid player choice, but I strongly suspect that the vast majority have back-up plans to re-rail their quests on a sustainable vector. The "ace up one's sleeve," if you will.

I'd still call it a learning moment, but here's the lesson: a good magician never reveals their real trick.

(An exception that proves the rule: I vaguely recall one Raildex quest where, as their very first action, the players picked a fight with Accelerator and died instantly. Yeah, that's certainly not one they're gonna get bailed out of...)
 
Since this seems to have been overlooked, reminder that history is already miles from the rails we know. Sayaka is going out with Kyousuke, Oriko's plan is unfolding differently, and there are witches everywhere. worrying about changing things further is like being reluctant to strike a match in the middle of a forest fire.
 
can we be the Gang of Nice instead?
[5] Hug Kyouko
[2] Hug Ryouko too
[2] Admit this is a horrible revelation to us as well

[1] Reassure Kyouko by telling her you're from a future where it's not like that.
[1] Explain the future where it's not like that


You lean over and squeeze your Ryouko.

"It's going to be okay," you tell her.

"Thanks," she says, replacing her scowl with a small smile. "I hope so."

"Right," you say, as you let her go, then look over to Kyouko. "You too!"

"W— what?!" she says, as you slide out of the booth.

"It's going to be okay," you repeat, leaning into the booth and stretching your arms around her.

She just sort of looks at you, and then across the table to Ryouko, and then back at you, and blushes.

"H— how do you know that? You don't know that."

"This is a shock and dismay to us, as well," you say, "but we do know that it doesn't have to be this way."

"How do you — wait, like, you know from the future??" asks Kyouko.

"No comment," you declare.

"Clarisse," says Ryouko, "how do we fix this?"

"Well," you say, letting go of Kyouko, "the first step is straightforward, just work very hard at not dying. Pure soul gem, no problem, right? Conserve the magic, treat every ounce it with respect."

"But he just told us that the population isn't self-sustaining," says Ryouko, "so we still have to kill — oh! Oh no."

You follow her thoughts forward. "You think Oriko is trying to fix this?"

"What else would she want with used grief cubes?" asks Ryouko. "It's not like she needs to set a trap and kill anyone stealthily. She wants them to self-replicate! Her message for Homura-chan said as much too!"

"Hold on," interrupts Kyouko, "what are you two going on about?"

You sigh. "The theory is that Oriko is already trying to fix the system, and Kyuubey is trying to get us to stop it. But because Oriko's psychotic, all her plans for fixing things involve turning people against each other, and murder, so it's not like joining her side is an attractive option either, let alone safe."

"Let's make a new side," says Ryouko. "We can't let ourselves be defined by Kyuubey and Oriko's schemes. Let's build a support organization for magical girls where we don't try to kill each other, and work together instead. If it really takes off, we can even try to make the world a better place."

Kyouko tilts her head. "That's an awfully pretentious way to put it. How many magical girls would you have to start? Two?"

"Four," says Ryouko, "five if we can find Mami and have her join, and, well, there's the others."

"What 'others?'" asks Kyouko.

"It's, ah, a delicate matter," you say. "There were several girls caught up in someone's wish. Not magical girls, but given what we just learned about the grief seed situation, that's probably just as well. Actually," you note, "you could say I'm one of them too."

"I see." Kyouko leans back. "But, you know, I'm not really much of a team player. Not sure how well I'd fit in."

[5] Ask if Kyouko would like to join The Gang™

"How about just provisionally, then," you offer, "while we figure out things like how to find Mami, and what to do about Oriko?"

She tilts her head to the side. "Hmmmmmmaybe. Yeah, okay. I suppose I can help you out for that much. Unofficial-like."

"Excellent," you say. "Okay, down to business. First thing — Kyouko, do you have a cell phone?"

Ryouko and Kyouko exchange numbers.

[4] Make sure Kyouko has a place to stay

"Number two," you say, "do you have a safe place to stay? I don't want to drag you into any unwanted commitments after Oriko, but if you're sleeping under a bridge somewhere —"

"Don't worry about it," she interrupts, "I got a real sweet hotel room."

"… legally?" you ask, with a worried look.

"Nope," she says, with a big grin.

You frown. She wasn't all that big on accepting help in this era, was she?

[5] Discuss goals and objectives with The Gang™

"Right," you say, "that's … probably dangerous in the long term, but, if you insist, I can't blame you for guarding your independence… Next concern, then, is to prioritize our goals and objectives."

"We want to find Mami," says Ryouko, "figure out what to do about Oriko, and Kyuubey, and … Simona," she says.

"While dealing with the police investigation," you add. "Though that's a little more reactive."

"Plus, we need to keep hunting witches," says Ryouko. "We need all the reserves we can get, in case Oriko tries to starve us out. And, at some point we should try to train Homura-chan."

"… that poor pathetic mouse?" asks Kyouko. "She's one of the four?" She looks ostentatiously unimpressed.

"Homura's magic is probably more powerful than everyone else's put together," you tell Kyouko.

"… huh?!!" asks Kyouko.

"This is why Oriko didn't want her teaming up with anyone," you point out.

"That's right," says Ryouko, "and I think that's the main thing. If we have to go up against Oriko, we should do it from a position of strength, so she has as few choices and as few opportunities to defeat us as possible. The more we can do that, the more we neutralize her primary power. So, we should try to find Mami as soon as we can."

I see, you tell your girl. And that helps gets Kyouko on board as well.

"How?" asks Kyouko.

You frown. "Actually," you say, "if I'm right, and a wish brought her back from death, there might be a way to find her rather quickly. It's just ... risky." You have a mesh network now. You could use all the girls to look for someone who has governance implants. The main problem is that it's not super high power, it's very directional. Maybe if you could hijack a well-positioned antenna. But then…

"Simona might notice," says Ryouko.

You nod. "And if she's working with Oriko, then Oriko might notice her." And she'll freak out, you note.

If she hasn't already,
notes Ryouko.

"You guys got some sort of freaky spell?" asks Kyouko, pointing the two of you.

"We have freaky technology," says Ryouko.

"Hold on, I'm going to talk to the others," you say, "and think about whether this is even feasible, first."

"If that doesn't work," Ryouko asks Kyouko, "where should we look for Mami?"

Kyouko begins to explain Mami's witch-hunting strategies.

[4] Explain to The Gang™ that Kyuubey can't be trusted
[1] Give him a chance
(hahahahahahhahahahahaa)
[-1] Explain witches to everyone

<Clarisse> Okay, update. We found Kyouko and have convinced her to join our side, at least for now.
<Clarisse> Also, we've sort of decided that we're a side now.
<Clarisse> I hope this is okay with everyone; we've sort of been one, informally, since the rooftop.
<Nanami> woo! magical girls represent!
<Clarisse> Actually, the magical girls are outnumbered at this point.
<Sayaka> technological girls represent :p
<Sayaka> we need a clever name!
<Wakaba> the Gang of Nine
<Wakaba> or are we officially ten?
<Yuuka> can we be the Gang of Nice instead?
<Madoka> !!!
<Madoka> i like it!
<Nanami> doesn't sound very serious :p
<Sayaka> anyway, I thought you said Kyouko was dangerous?
<Clarisse> Well, it's a long story.
<Clarisse> She was working for Oriko because she was dangerously low on grief seeds.
<Clarisse> We suspect Oriko used future sight to find the witches first, and steal all the grief seeds.
<Clarisse> So the three of us saw what Oriko did to Mami's apartment — another long story
<Clarisse> but Mami used to be Kyouko's senpai
<Clarisse> suffice it to say, Kyouko's had a change of heart
<Madoka> so we can be friends? <3
<Clarisse> Provisionally, at least.
<Clarisse> She's a little afraid to commit after being used by Oriko like that.
<Madoka> oh, that's sad. :(
<Clarisse> The real trouble is Kyuubey.
<Nanami> What? How's the fluffy fuzzball trouble?
<Clarisse> so, Kyuubey came to us, asking for our help taking down Oriko.
<Clarisse> This was exactly what we were talking about doing moments before.
<Clarisse> Except when he made his pitch, it was full of manipulative lies.
<Wakaba> ?? like how?
<Clarisse> Well, he was giving us reasons to help take down Oriko
<Clarisse> and asked him about what a certain something does, and he said, "think of it as a weapon."
<Clarisse> He didn't say it was a weapon, he said to think of it as a weapon. Future-secrets: it's not a weapon.
<Ryouko> What Clarisse said. It was pretty bad.
<Ryouko> (Carry on; I'm busy talking.)
<Clarisse> This was disturbing, but then we got him to come out and admit several other ugly secrets he's been keeping from all the magical girls.
<Clarisse> So Kyouko got mad at him, and literally squeezed him to death
<Madoka> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<Madoka> :( :( :( :( :(
<Clarisse> he came back with another body after about ten seconds
<Clarisse> and then proceeded to eat the corpse of the one that she had just killed
<Nanami> Nani?!?
<Sayaka> zomgwtf?!
<Clarisse> I'll spare you the graphic footage.
<Clarisse> So we've thought about it, and Ryouko thinks that Oriko is actually trying to do something good, she's just trying to do it with manipulation and murder. Unfortunately, this is exactly what we'd expect of her, given what we know of her from the future. Which means she's definitely not one of the good guys, but it might still be a bad idea to fight her anyway.
<Clarisse> … We're working on it.
<Clarisse> We think the key for now is to keep building our alliance
<Clarisse> Then we can face Oriko from a position of strength
<Clarisse> Whether that's fighting her or just negotiating
<Clarisse> So the next thing to do is find Mami-san, if she's alive.
<Clarisse> And the more I think of it, the more likely it is that she's back
<Clarisse> That means that she probably has future technology implants too.
<Nanami> You want to just try to find her over the radio?
<Clarisse> Maybe, but the other piece of news is Simona.
<Clarisse> Kyouko tells us he's been hanging out with Oriko.
<Clarisse> and we're not sure if she's been working with Oriko, too.
<Clarisse> If we go looking for Mami with future signal protocols, she might notice.
<Clarisse> And if she notices, she might tell Oriko, or Oriko might notice it anyway too.
<Nanami> fuckity fuckfuckfuck, fuck
<Nanami> Clarisse, darling ./~
<Clarisse> … yes? :S
<Nanami> you know how we have all these copies of Intro to FutureTech for Middle School Girls lying around?
<Nanami> when the girl with future vision sees what sort of havoc that plays with the future…
<Nanami> what do you think that scream sounds like?
<Clarisse> … I don't know
<Sayaka> ehhhh that does not sound good
<Nanami> Might there possibly maybe be any way to go looking for her which doesn't threaten to involve Oriko?
<Wakaba> oh, guys, guys, i just realized
<Wakaba> you know who else has been looking for Mami?
<Wakaba> the Mitakihara Police Major Case Squad
<Nanami> fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuu
<Wakaba> want to bet she's in a holding cell
<Sayaka> … omgwtf are we going to bust someone out of jail??!
<Clarisse> NO! THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA!
<Wakaba> we're not even sure she's there
<Nanami> remain calm
<Nanami> do not make any sudden moves
<Clarisse> Right.
<Clarisse> I'll call Homura next, and warn her about Kyuubey.
<Clarisse> and … where's Hitomi?
<Hitomi> (autoreply) I'm ever so sorry, but I've placed this chat in silent mode, so that I can have some quiet time.
<Clarisse> … that's probably fine
<Madoka> hey Clarisse
<Madoka> you sound like you're really busy over there!
<Clarisse> A little bit, yes.
<Madoka> I can call Homura if you'd like? :)
<Madoka> It's no problem, I'd be glad to help! <3
<Clarisse> … okay, that could work


It's less direct, but you figure if it's coming from Madoka, she'll be sure to listen.

<Clarisse> just don't use any text messages, okay? It's not safe.
<Madoka> Okay, I won't.


"… Which is one of the reasons I hang around in a place like this," says Kyouko. "Especially late nights. Why go hunting when the prey just comes to you? Of course, Mami's too much of an ojou-sama to be caught dead around a place like this. I was surprised you two were up for it, honestly."

Ryouko nods. "It doesn't quite fit her image," she says.

"But anyway, the point is, she's a witch hunting machine, and I'd be checking out the high probability witch spots," Kyouko concludes.



> hunt for senpai

[ ] Check out witch-heavy territories on foot
[ ] Case out the local police stations, jails
[ ] Conduct an electronic sweep
- [ ] (write in a message to go with any sweep?)
- [ ] Enlist the gang to help you with the sweep
- [ ] Hijack a nice broadcast antenna for high power coverage
(This may be more involved, but Nanami can probably help interface.)

Anything other scheming while we're at it?
Got any other brainstorming ideas about what to do about Oriko?
[ ] (reminder that write-ins remain welcome)
 
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[X] Case out the local police stations, jails
[X] Conduct an electronic sweep
- [X] Message: Have Kyouko write the message and say that she heard about what happened at the school, and that she thinks that Mami was died yet was wished back to life. Kyouko is now working with that girl (which is how she is sending that message) and thinks that Oriko might have been behind all of that. Add a time and a hint for a location which just Mami and Kyouko would know (like "the place we last talked face to face in" or something like that).
- [X] Enlist Nanami
- [X] Hijack a nice broadcast antenna for high power coverage

Hopefully this will allow us to get her to meet us without letting Oriko intercept the meeting, even if she does have Simona on her side.

Also.

[X] Replace Hitomi's chat colour with yours. She is already really similar to Ryouko, no need for them to have almost identical username colours.

I don't know, this thing always bothered me.
 
Replace Hitomi's chat colour with yours.

But but, Hitomi a green, not a lilac. You're not going to confuse her for your girl over text chat, you're not installed on her spine with access to all her outbound communications, it's fine.

The real question is how you even know Yuuka and Wakaba's secret meguca colors to begin with
 
[X] Case out the local police stations, jails
- [X] Have Yuuka do it, accompanied by someone else. She's the daughter of a police officer, and wanting to know what your parents do is more normal than going through the local drunk tanks :V

If that doesn't work, am I allowed to vote for a second thing to try? If so....
--[X] Conduct an electronic sweep
--- [X] Message: Have Kyouko write the message and say that she heard about what happened at the school, and that she thinks that Mami was died yet was wished back to life. Kyouko is now working with that girl (which is how she is sending that message) and thinks that Oriko might have been behind all of that. Add a time and a hint for a location which just Mami and Kyouko would know (like "the place we last talked face to face in" or something like that).


and finally: thread suggestion: >hug tomoyo
 
But but, Hitomi a green, not a lilac. You're not going to confuse her for your girl over text chat, you're not installed on her spine with access to all her outbound communications, it's fine.
Oh, if that was the case I would have agreed with you.

But we are not installed on her spine, we are in another body that is somewhat independent, and we already tested it and saw that we can be disconnected from her body.
 
Oh, if that was the case I would have agreed with you.

But we are not installed on her spine, we are in another body that is somewhat independent, and we already tested it and saw that we can be disconnected from her body.
No, we're still attached to her spine. We got to choose which side of the split we kept active when we separated.
 
No, we're still attached to her spine. We got to choose which side of the split we kept active when we separated.
IIRC what happened is that we chose to be with her, but the moment someone slapped us we got pulled back into our body, and we had no idea how to get back to her because we were too far.

So our connection to her is not as strong as it used to be when we didn't have a body.
 
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