Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%
  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%

  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
I've been noticing that, too. I don't think it's crossed a line yet but I do agree it might be approaching one. Acknowledging that sex exists and adding lewdness is not the issue for me, it's that it seems exclusively focused on women thus far. If the Arthwyd/Wryn are lewd about men too, or if it gets toned down, I don't see any problem tbh.
The 'In universe justification' thus far has been there has been no male god to shape guy physiques around. So that would suggest we need to roll a male hero/genius who ascends to godhood and then get a further upgrade to the blessing.
 
Honestly a bit creeped out with the constant jokes/mention of large tracks of land.

Hard agree. Also I'd really prefer a vote on paladins being cat folk if we ever actually get paladins.

Seems dumb to me, why would we want our best holy warriors to have a tail and extra ears? Like aha! You see cat ears on the top of the head make it impossible for them to wear helmets!!! Also they have a tail because giving them an extra vulnerability and making it hard to ride animals is only fair to the barbarians. Even more importantly it appeases the weird sexual fantasies/fetishes of one of the lesser goddesses in the sky!! Now brave paladins ride out!! Prime your breast support spells because you will surely need them in the long fight to come.

And our chief goddess as well as the majority of the goddess's don't even look like that. Also I'm hoping any more goddesses or gods added to the pantheon dodge the weird cat people thing as well. Still not sure why this happened at all in the first place, but I did find the quest late and certainly have not read all of Oshhas posts.
 
I agree on Cat paladin vote. It kinda kills point for me .
Still don't get how did we ended up with Catgoddess in the first place and now cat monarchs.
 
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The way I see it is this: cats can be a divine animal and breasts and hips are fine as a symbol of fertility and whatever, but when they become two of the core aspects of our entire culture (cateyes/catclaws/cat godesses/ cat paladins) and said big breasts that are mentioned without fail every single update (also apparently all the blessed women have such big breasts they require a divine spell to adjust, which is just horrible as a blessing for the warriors), the quest becomes way less enjoyable.
 
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Hard agree. Also I'd really prefer a vote on paladins being cat folk if we ever actually get paladins.
If our scout/assassin type warriors - the catclaws - became catfolk and got a more slender build that'd make a lot more sense as a blessing. Extra ears and better eyes serve well for a scout, but huge bosoms are even more of a detriment for them than for everyone else. And they really are a detriment in the end, they make all sorts of athleticism harder and acrobatics almost impossible without magical support.
 
I don't think I have mentioned them much?

There was the priests gossiping about them a couple of updates ago and in a couple of romantic contexts, they got mentioned when someone was finding their lover's attractive. And looking back at some of the early updates, there was Ymarn getting blessed by Arthryn, but they were barely mentioned apart from descriptive language. There was also that time when Bronwyn was appreciating her beauty to show how she was proud of her good looks and valued them.

Otherwise it has been Wyrn pranking Ymarn as a sign of her perverted nature in the last side story or as describing the appearance of the goddesses in the pantheon posts and that is only because the lack of a slim waists means I can't just say 'large hourglass figure' as a descriptor. We also got the list of Arthwyd slang of which half of it is referencing sexual stuff, but that is because Soulcake provided me a page of lewd slang that the Arthwyd might use. With the twins having curvy figures in the last update? That is because I got asked on the discord to do that and I figured "why not?". The Breast Support divine magic? Those are basically magic bras that came up when discussing how the blessing would affect Arthwyd culture in the discord and it came up how large breasts would make things harder for the blessed women of the Arthwyd.

Beyond that, that has blessing of Arthryn giving curvy figured to the women, but that has been a thing for the entirety of the quest and the majority of the tine, that has been one of the least relevant parts of the blessing as the other parts have been far more impactful on the civ. And that is only because Arthryn is a curvy female as if she had been a male god, the blessing would have affected the appearance of men and not women.

I have looked at all of the threadmarks since Somebodynobody10 brought up the subject and I'm not really seeing it. Over fifty posts and several tens of thousands of words and they have only been mentioned a few times. While it has had some mentions, I don't feel it has come up much. I contest the idea that it has been "constant jokes/mention of large tracks of land". As far as I can tell, it has has been barely any of the quest and half the time it has been physical descriptors of characters.


As for the discord, that is the discord and I don't consider what happens on there something to judge the quest by because as Raichu put it earlier, it is 80% meming, 10% salt and 10% discussion.

I've been noticing that, too. I don't think it's crossed a line yet but I do agree it might be approaching one. Acknowledging that sex exists and adding lewdness is not the issue for me, it's that it seems exclusively focused on women thus far. If the Arthwyd/Wryn are lewd about men too, or if it gets toned down, I don't see any problem tbh.

I would put that down to me being terrible to writing male romance/sexual interactions. I have tried that in the past a few times and got burned pretty much every attempt so I am leery of trying it again. Meanwhile I am somewhat confident in my ability to write more romance/sexual stuff involving women.

I think part of the problem is that I am willingly to mention breasts in sexual stuff because that is sort of a middle ground between sexual stuff and non-sexual stuff because they can be mentioned in both sexual and non-sexual contexts freely. I can feel comfortable mentioning breasts to touch upon mildly sexual stuff, but with penises and vaginas, I don't feel comfortable that feels going full-on sexual stuff to me so I actively avoid mentioning those. As a result, when I want to mention something sexual, I mention breasts because that feels like mentioning softcore sexual stuff rather than hardcore sexual stuff that is penises and vaginas.

I would turn it down, but the Arthwyd are a sexual open society due to their communal nature and mostly disregard for bloodlines means that sex is something of a casual past time for them. Turning down sexual stuff is going to be hard if I want to write stuff from the preservative of an Arthryd character or show what Arthwyd culture is like. As for characters being more lewd towards men, I would do that, but I lack the skill do so and men lack the sexual equivalent to the breasts of women. If you got any suggestions on how to change that, feel free to share, but in the end, the sexual stuff won't be going away because the Arthwyd aren't that kind of civ. If you want that, you need to change the Arthwyd into something else.

That said, I am happy to make it more focused on both genders rather than just one, but I am unsure of how to do that and as I mention above, I would appreciate advice on how to do so.

The 'In universe justification' thus far has been there has been no male god to shape guy physiques around. So that would suggest we need to roll a male hero/genius who ascends to godhood and then get a further upgrade to the blessing.

Pretty much. I never expected the Arthrynite pantheon to end up being all female and that is because of dice rolls. And while it may seem a bit of a cop-out to blame things on the dice rolls, I like to use the dice rolls to maintain a random element and I don't like to disrupt that random element just to add in stuff unless there is a very good reason. I will happily add a male deity to the pantheon or make a male character prominent, but I won't just artificially add one in because the dice aren't providing one. Honestly, I've been looking to add in a gay man as a character, I haven't had the chance to do so without making his life suck or passing up a potential sub-plot. And as I look at the behind the scenes stuff, the dice rolls have provided a lot of prominent male characters who have shaped the setting, but they haven't been prominent in directly shaping the Arthwyd or being Arthwydish characters who perspective you get to see.

It is luck of the draw and I like to keep the luck of the draw to keep a random element and not just have anything be down to the whims of the QM.

said big breasts that are mentioned without fail every single update (also apparently all the blessed women have such big breasts they require a divine spell to adjust,),

No, they haven't? I'm certain that is not the case. As for the breast size, it is Cs to Ds so not that big. The breast support is basically magic bras because you can't get conventional bras at your tech level and Veekie made me feel sorry for how the lack of bras could make things harder for the women of the People.

And our chief goddess as well as the majority of the goddess's don't even look like that. Also I'm hoping any more goddesses or gods added to the pantheon dodge the weird cat people thing as well. Still not sure why this happened at all in the first place, but I did find the quest late and certainly have not read all of Oshhas posts.
It started off with Wyrn playing a prank on Evalyn when she first became a goddess.
"I thought it would be funny to give your divine form the ears and tail of a cat," explains Wyrn, earning herself a glare from Evalyn, "So when the living decided that you were a goddesses, I set things up so that they believed you gained cat ears and tail upon becoming a goddess."

"Was that really necessary?" asks Arthryn as she directs a stern gaze at Wyrn.

"Ah, I suppose not," admits Wyrn, shifting guilty under her mother's gaze, "I just thought that since the cat is our, well, your sacred animal, at least one of us should have some features of a cat."
Then Bronwyn got some when she was punished because she wanted some to be more like her divine ancestor Evalyn and Bronwyn was feeling sorry about killing her so she gave some to her.
 
The blessing that requires women to need magic support to avoid crippling back problems for half of their lives does raise questions if I'm honest.

Edit: I don't think it's disturbing or anything, I just think it raises odd questions that's all.
 
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The blessing that requires women to need magic support to avoid crippling back problems for half of their lives does raise questions if I'm honest.
That's the thing @Oshha
It isn't the fact that someone is spamming things, but the undertones are there in the background - it doesn't need to be something that comes up in every second chapter to be somewhat disturbing.

EDIT: I understand your stance, but I feel obligated to share my views on the matter as well.
 
That's it exactly. You don't have to bring it up constantly for it to be disturbing, really what you've done is even more disrubing.

Familiarity breeds contempt but you've given us a few key sentences and left it to our imaginations.

In my mind, I imagine our civ as superficially matriachial with an undertone of objectifying sexism.

Remember that arranged marriage, and the Arthwynd woman was super flirty and seductive to this ugly dude she'd never met before, who came off like ass in his own internal monologue?

That was super disturbing - even in super open society with little sexual stigma, I literally can't imagine young women just offering themselves on a platter unless they were specifcily raised that way in some form of wife husbandry.

Which, I don't imagine you intended that at all, but damn man, that was creepy.

And if she was lying through her teeth for the sake of the People's union, that's not better.
 
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*Walks into thread*

Hey guys, this threat looks good, what is going on?

*Sees current debate*

Uuuuuuuh that's very worrying, can someone just give the issue a quick summery because while I do like civ quests are the writer seems pretty skilled I'd rather avoid getting several pages in and then having the experience ruined.
 
I mean to Arthwyd big breasts are every day thing just like normal breasts are to us so you don't really need to empathise it every time.
Add to it that priests are literally speaking lewd things about goddesses and from what i get Arthryn isn't that kind of goddess, she was more like mother of the people.

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And i know that you were asked on discord but you really should avoid it where you can, there was really no need to give twins the assets .
From that update even though they were hero's alI i got was that it was unusual for them to have big breasts and hips, basically it gives impression that that is the only reason they were noticed at all. Because of breasts and hips.
 
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That too, it's really weird when a priests are cracking jokes about how sexy their gods are.

Like... do the priests whistle at hot girls who walk past the temple, like lazy construction workers?

I'm imagining the cardinals in that Vatican having tongue in cheek debate over the detail of Adams butt cheeks as he reaches for Gods hand. Ughh, bad thought.
 
*Walks into thread*

Hey guys, this threat looks good, what is going on?

*Sees current debate*

Uuuuuuuh that's very worrying, can someone just give the issue a quick summery because while I do like civ quests are the writer seems pretty skilled I'd rather avoid getting several pages in and then having the experience ruined.
We have a civ quest where we have a Blessing from one of our Goddesses that ensures that our people are more likely to stay in peak human fitness and that as a side effect causes women to emulate the body structure of the Goddess who have the blessing (aka a curvy body type).

This, combined with the communal (and thus less sexually repressed) nature of our society means that allusions to the bodies of people (and thus "lewd comments") are not uncommon.

I believe that people are really overblowing how often this occurs in the quest (it is mentioned sparingly, not literally all the time). I think the quest is great and none of these things have dulled my enjoyment for it, and I would recommend you read it if you are into civ quests.
 
Uuuuuuuh that's very worrying, can someone just give the issue a quick summery because while I do like civ quests are the writer seems pretty skilled I'd rather avoid getting several pages in and then having the experience ruined.
Due to a divine blessing every woman has big breasts and wide hips. The gods - all female - have these traits slightly more exaggerated.

This mostly fades into the background, which is fine, but occasionally it's brought up in ways that feel slightly inappropriately sexual and objectifying.

The fact that the line: "Large breasts and hips with an average waist" is repeated four times in the descriptions of the gods, with the fifth being "Extra Large breasts and hips with an average waist" kind of rubs it in a bit - combined with priests making lewd comments about large breasts despite literally 99% of women they ever see having them... it's just gotten a little odd is all.
 
*Walks into thread*

Hey guys, this threat looks good, what is going on?

*Sees current debate*

Uuuuuuuh that's very worrying, can someone just give the issue a quick summery because while I do like civ quests are the writer seems pretty skilled I'd rather avoid getting several pages in and then having the experience ruined.


Well the problem is we have a fairly young, still developing society. Almost everyone of our heroes has been a woman, and most of the heroes period have been women.

And so all our gods are women.

And early on, we got a divine, heritable blessing that makes her woman stronger and tougher for childbirth, big boobs and hips.

And then we also had values of equal birth and fair treatment, so we haven't developed much social stigma over sexuality.

But he hasn't gotten his message across very well, and every time he's written about how cool and open our goddesses and culture is, it comes off vaguely creepily sexist.

Which is especially weird considering how we're like a generation off from becoming a matriarchy at any given moment.
 
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Like cats are Arthryn's sacred animal and thats it. They are basically never mentioned at all. I can understand naming things after them but actually changing a goddesses form is just strange. I understand it was a prank by Wyrn but a prank is usually considered temporary, and said prank came totally out of left field to me. There was basically no precedent for it as far as I can tell by just solely reading story posts. Other than that I enjoy the quest. I just object to one making our paladins cat folk and two the fact that members of our pantheon got cat features for what seems to me at least not very good reasons. If everyone else is down with catifying people then thats fine it will certainly not stop me from reading and enjoying the quest just might lessen said enjoyment a little.

I, Wryn, wish to play a prank on the newbie and I wish for it to be related to cats. Aha! Instead of turning her into an actual cat or tricking her into taking that form (which seems far more in line with ancient myths to me), I will instead giver her cat ears and a tail! That is so funny! Also make it permanent. Maybe she will start saying nya and I can pet her ears and she will purr.

I mean our goddess of death battle and leadership is actually running around with cat ears and a tail!

For me its the combo of everything large breasts, large hips, gorgeous women, sexually open society, and some of our goddesses have cat features with the potential for expansion of that. Just sounds like a weeb's wet dream. If the cat features thing was removed it would be a lot more palpable for me because everything else has followed logically at least to me.
 
I don't think I have mentioned them much?

I mean, just look at the current description of the Pantheon. It's 50% breast and hips size.

Beyond that, that has blessing of Arthryn giving curvy figured to the women, but that has been a thing for the entirety of the quest and the majority of the tine, that has been one of the least relevant parts of the blessing as the other parts have been far more impactful on the civ.

The main element of the blessing is increased intelligence.

How often has that been brought up in the narrative? As far as I recall, it was mentioned once when it was introduced, and then never again.
 
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