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Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%

  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%
  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
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As the Epic Age comes to a close and its Heroes have gone one way or another, the People still have enough luck to produce one more Hero.
[X] [Epic] One of the People proves themselves to be an excellent crafter and storyteller. (Culture Hero)

Pick 1 Bonus for coming out of an Epic Age at the top.
[X] [Bonus] Put Sunrise Mountain Passage on automatic action track (Will gain +1 Progress each turn with no action cost, but you will still need to stat costs).

[X] [SEC] Create New Trails.
S: -2 Temp Econ, +1 Trail (4/5)

Mega-Projects
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
S: -3 Temp Econ, +1 Progress
-Progress: 4/10

Stats
Diplo: 2 (3)
Econ: 10 (9)
Martial: 6 (4)
Mystic: 1 (1)
Culture: 1 (1)
Tech: 0 (0)
Wealth: 0 (0)

Legitimacy: 4/3
Stability: 3/3
Centralisation: 3
Hierarchy: 3
Prestige: 20
 
[X] [Epic] A young member of the People proves themselves to be charming and uniting. (Diplo Hero)
[X] [Bonus] Upgrade a random Value
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage

While i really, really wish Admin Hero we need diplo hero to pacify the midlanders.
 
[X] [Epic] A genius rises amongst the People, outshine their peers with their intelligence. (Tech Hero)
[X] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Bastion of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X][Bonus] Upgrade a random Value
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage

Alright, so going for supporting the maradysh this turn, in the hopes that we can quickly get a bonus to relationship there now. Tech hero because hopefully this peace will last long enough to let us really make use of them. Next turn, we should probably do the study metal our crafters want done. Mainly because studying metal is potentially extremely useful. In no small part for the trait, but also just because metal is amazing. After that, we can get a palisade. That'll bump up our temp econ a bit, and let us afford to get another secondary settlement, bringing us to 11 econ. From there, we could probably afford to start the forest, and we'd be at 8/10 progress for the passage by then. Just 2 more turns and we'll have finished the passage. Once that's done we'll have 2 progress on that forest, and with the lesser cost of the forest project, we could get some additional infrastructure really easy while we worked on it. Heck, we could wait for the forest project until we finished the passage, and mainline the forest project to completion, getting us the rush mega-project trait/legacy/bonus.
 
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Raichu1972 said:
The Forest Spirits have been shown as being pretty evil in all that we heard of them, and from how the Midlanders were defeated by both us and Urth I doubt they were under the protection of one.

Integration would be getting them to worship the Goddesses, and I doubt our pantheon is too pleased with the unnatural necromancy of the Forest Spirits.
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To help explain it...forests are not kind environments to early humanity. Predators abound, and in the dense trees of old growth forests, spears, slings and bows are not very good weapons.
Snakes, great cats and other ambush predators abound, while clearing space is a struggle against encroaching plant life.

Thus most spirits associated with forests tend to be...not very nice. People ascribe values to the gods what they see in the world and what they see there is that everything hates them.
 
[X] [Epic] A young member of the People proves themselves to be charming and uniting. (Diplo Hero)
[X] [Bonus] Upgrade a random Value
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
 
[X] [Epic] A young member of the People proves themselves to be charming and uniting. (Diplo Hero)
[X] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Merntir
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
 
Okay then, let's go into these two in detail:

[] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Bastion of Civilisation (Great Bay)
The Bastion is generally a protector or defender, so this can also be read as Defender of Civilization. Now, the tricky part of this is what the Arthwyd consider to be civilization. Do they consider the nomadic boarfolk tribes to be civilization? How about the revenents of the Forest? Or even the "barbaric" Midlanders?
Being a "Bastion of Civilization" where you consider yourself to essentially be the only Civilization just gives rise to xenophobia.


[] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
I feel as though a lot of what I said about Bastion also applies here, except more magnified. If you consider yourself the "Center" of civilization while surrounded by those you deem uncivilized, it creates the idea of civilized = like us. It would also encourage isolationism (or at least discourage outreach), since you are the center and anyone who is important enough will come to you instead of the other way around.

These likely have really good mechanical bonuses (most legacies do), but I'm really not liking the narrative implications.
 
[X] [Epic] One of the priests proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records. (Gain an Admin Hero)
Turtle 2: Tortoise's Revenge
We're Megabuilding now, and nothing can stop us.
[X] [Bonus] Gain two or more Innovations.
Those never hurt us, unlike Values.
And who knows- we could make headway into metallurgy.

[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
[X] [SEC] Create New Trails.

Connect everything.
 
[X] [Epic] One of the priests proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records. (Gain an Admin Hero)

[X] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)

[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage

[X] [SEC] Create New Trails.

Ok, real talk? We. Need. More. Econ. And. Actions! Seriously, if we have just one more action and a higher Econ we could be doing so much more so let's do the last trail finish the mountain Passage and then start on expanding our settlements.
 
[X] [Epic] One of the priests proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records. (Gain an Admin Hero)
one of the most long term impactful heros we can get and they don´t seem to be spawn very often.
[X] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)

[X] [SEC] Create New Trails.
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
 
pttpttrwttr said:
Why so? Having a highly hierarchical government is very useful when ruling areas/vassals seperated by long distances, as we are. It implies a high degree of delegation of responsibility while maintaining a clear and centralized chain of command. The ruler delegates their tasks to many others, i.e. regional administrators.
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Higher hierarchy means that it becomes harder and harder for the average person to meaningfully interact with anyone of any importance to the civilization as a whole.
It shows an ever widening gap between the people of our civilization and those who rule over them. (not helped by the fact that we now have a single essentially unaccountable ruler)
 
[X] [Epic] A young member of the People proves themselves to be charming and uniting. (Diplo Hero)
[X] [Bonus] Upgrade a random Value
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
 
Raichu1972 said:
Okay then, let's go into these two in detail:

[] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Bastion of Civilisation (Great Bay)
The Bastion is generally a protector or defender, so this can also be read as Defender of Civilization. Now, the tricky part of this is what the Arthwyd consider to be civilization. Do they consider the nomadic boarfolk tribes to be civilization? How about the revenents of the Forest? Or even the "barbaric" Midlanders?
Being a "Bastion of Civilization" where you consider yourself to essentially be the only Civilization just gives rise to xenophobia.


[] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
I feel as though a lot of what I said about Bastion also applies here, except more magnified. If you consider yourself the "Center" of civilization while surrounded by those you deem uncivilized, it creates the idea of civilized = like us. It would also encourage isolationism (or at least discourage outreach), since you are the center and anyone who is important enough will come to you instead of the other way around.

These likely have really good mechanical bonuses (most legacies do), but I'm really not liking the narrative implications.
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Both sound very.... Ancient Greece. AKA "anyone else is a filthy barbaroi". And from there, it's only a small step towards the Double Monachy's "Teacher of the World" attitude.
 
[X] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh
[X] [Epic] A genius rises amongst the People, outshine their peers with their intelligence. (Tech Hero)
 
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Task: Epic
[X][Epic] A young member of the People proves themselves to be charming and uniting. (Diplo Hero)
No. of Votes: 8
Raichu1972
Brogatar
jamie96969
LonelyWolf999
mrsean22
Random Member
Star
Vocalend
[X][Epic] A genius rises amongst the People, outshine their peers with their intelligence. (Tech Hero)
No. of Votes: 7
taovkool
Genji
jjffjhjf
pttpttrwttr
Random Member
Raptor580
sunrise
[X][Epic] One of the priests proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records. (Gain an Admin Hero)
No. of Votes: 5
thefoolswriter
Marlin
PurposefulZephyr
Skjadir
UlseDovThur
[X][Epic] One of the People proves themselves to be an excellent crafter and storyteller. (Culture Hero)
No. of Votes: 5
Monk Penguin
buli-buli
One Autumn Leaf
Random Member
Vocalend
[X][Epic] One of the priests proves themselves to be skilled with the teachings and magics of the goddesses. (Mystic Hero)
No. of Votes: 2
veekie
Vanguard_D
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[X][Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
No. of Votes: 12
Monk Penguin
Genji
jjffjhjf
LonelyWolf999
One Autumn Leaf
Raptor580
Skjadir
sunrise
UlseDovThur
Vanguard_D
veekie
Vocalend
[X][Bonus] Upgrade a random Value
No. of Votes: 6
Raichu1972
Brogatar
jamie96969
mrsean22
Random Member
Star
[X][Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Bastion of Civilisation (Great Bay)
No. of Votes: 3
thefoolswriter
jjffjhjf
taovkool
[X][Bonus] Gain two or more Innovations.
No. of Votes: 3
Marlin
pttpttrwttr
PurposefulZephyr
[X][Bonus] Put Sunrise Mountain Passage on automatic action track (Will gain +1 Progress each turn with no action cost, but you will still need to stat costs).
No. of Votes: 1
buli-buli
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[X][SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
No. of Votes: 18
taovkool
Brogatar
buli-buli
jamie96969
jjffjhjf
LonelyWolf999
Marlin
mrsean22
pttpttrwttr
PurposefulZephyr
Raichu1972
Raptor580
Skjadir
Star
sunrise
UlseDovThur
Vanguard_D
veekie
[X][SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh
No. of Votes: 11
taovkool
Brogatar
jamie96969
jjffjhjf
mrsean22
pttpttrwttr
Raichu1972
Raptor580
Star
sunrise
veekie
[X][SEC] Create New Trails.
No. of Votes: 6
Marlin
buli-buli
PurposefulZephyr
Skjadir
UlseDovThur
Vanguard_D
[X][SEC] War Party = Boarfolk Nomads
No. of Votes: 1
pttpttrwttr
[X][SEC] Study Metal.
No. of Votes: 1
pttpttrwttr
[X][SEC] Build Palisade = Greenbay
No. of Votes: 1
pttpttrwttr
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Coastline)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Coastal Plains)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Cursed Forest)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Lowlands)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Sea)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Sunset Mountains)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Sunrise Mountains)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Western Coast)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Explore Lands = (Northern Coast)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Trade Expedition = (Boarfolk Nomads)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Trade Expedition = (Lowlands)
No. of Votes: 1
Random Member
[X][SEC] Support Subordinate = Merntir
No. of Votes: 1
LonelyWolf999
Total No. of Voters: 24
 
[X] [Epic] Get a Heroic Heir to succeed Gwynlyn when she dies. (Get a Heroic Heir)
[X] [Epic] One of the priests proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records. (Gain an Admin Hero)
[X] [Epic] A young member of the People proves themselves to be charming and uniting. (Diplo Hero)
[X] [Epic] A genius rises amongst the People, outshine their peers with their intelligence. (Tech Hero)
[X] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Bastion of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X] [Bonus] Put Sunrise Mountain Passage on automatic action track (Will gain +1 Progress each turn with no action cost, but you will still need to stat costs).
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
[X] [SEC] War Party = Boarfolk Nomads
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh

Im pretty much in support of these
will cut it down as time progresses
Except for attacking nomads (until we get all our people)
And bastion. Never again will we lose our land, never again will we be under threat, never again will our people suffer tyranny.
 
Raichu1972 said:
Higher hierarchy means that it becomes harder and harder for the average person to meaningfully interact with anyone of any importance to the civilization as a whole.
It shows an ever widening gap between the people of our civilization and those who rule over them. (not helped by the fact that we now have a single essentially unaccountable ruler)
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It depends if you want to play a tall or a wide civilization type actually. And that gap you were talking about is pretty much the inescapable consequence of a growing society.

And yes, a single unaccountable ruler is pretty much what the Big Man leadership is all about. It's not like the Arthwyd had yet to figure out anything about checks and balances, you know. In fact, that's where the checks and balances systems came out. From a shit ruler ruling without consequence and things went shit for everyone, so everyone decided that, fuck it, we need to limit the power of kings right the fuck now.
 
taovkool said:
It depends if you want to play a tall or a wide civilization type actually. And that gap you were talking about is pretty much the inescapable consequence of a growing society.

And yes, a single unaccountable ruler is pretty much what the Big Man leadership is all about. It's not like the Arthwyd had yet to figure out anything about checks and balances, you know. In fact, that's where the checks and balances systems came out. From a shit ruler ruling without consequence and things went shit for everyone, so everyone decided that, fuck it, we need to limit the power of kings right the fuck now.
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You can entirely have a wide (or at least semi wide) civilization with low hierarchy; it just wouldn't be particularly centralized. The fact that we are still so small and yet have such increasing hierarchy is disheartening however.

We also currently have legitimacy 4/3, which likely means that people think the current King is truly favored by the Goddesses or something similar and thus to be given much more leeway. People don't start to truly question the actions of the ruling class until we start hitting low legitimacy (as was seen with the Priests)
 
[X] [Epic] One of the priests proves themselves to be skilled with the teachings and magics of the goddesses. (Mystic Hero)
[X] [Epic] One of the priests proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records. (Gain an Admin Hero)
[X] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
 
[X] [Epic] One of the priests proves themselves to be skilled with the teachings and magics of the goddesses. (Mystic Hero)
[X] [Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh
[X] [SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
 
[X][Epic] A genius rises amongst the People, outshine their peers with their intelligence. (Tech Hero)
[X][Epic] One of the priests proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records. (Gain an Admin Hero)
[X][Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X][SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
[X][SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh

Because those options are pretty much winning and I prefer not to go the diplo route (not if it will make us contact Lowlanders with their diseases and undead)
 
PurposefulZephyr said:
[X][Epic] A genius rises amongst the People, outshine their peers with their intelligence. (Tech Hero)
[X][Epic] One of the priests proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records. (Gain an Admin Hero)
[X][Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X][SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
[X][SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh

Because those options are pretty much winning and I prefer not to go the diplo route (not if it will make us contact Lowlanders with their diseases and undead)
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You don't care about trying to integrate the Maradysh (aka those people who really hate us right now)? Support Subordinate is a step in the right direction, but it will take consistent time and effort for it to really set in (something that a Diplo hero would help speed up).

I also want to go about courting some of the nearby Boarfolk relatively soon, both as a forewarning in case another horde arises and to try and curb any civilizational xenophobia.
 
[X][Epic] A genius rises amongst the People, outshine their peers with their intelligence. (Tech Hero)
[X][Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Centre of Civilisation (Great Bay)
[X][SEC] Sunrise Mountain Passage
[X][SEC] Support Subordinate = Maradysh
 
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