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Not sure what you're getting at?
I feel you're agreeing, but its not really advancing the counter point to Rapheal that Mother being offworld would be a sign she's an antagonist.
There is also the possibility of another religious explanation about mother being beyond this world, not necessarily something grounded in fact, like mother's supposed omniscience.
 
I wonder if any of this is going to come out, particularly the idea of :Mother: being able to harm QA inside of Perth Arcology. Or at least QA being convinced that :Mother: is able to do so, or even being capable of subverting Valkyries to harm QA on her behalf.

That she's worried about it at all indicates a level of mental control that probably seems terrifying to strategic command.
And that is before QA clarifies that it is nothing so primitive, but actually a perfect storm attack.
They might think that QA thinks she is in a simulation.
The Entities precalculate most of the Cycle each time. From QA's point of view, she may as well be in a simulation.
 
The Entities precalculate most of the Cycle each time. From QA's point of view, she may as well be in a simulation.
Their calculation are not near complete and are pretty basic, they calculate all the ways they can be beaten, remove them or adjust themselves to counter those while in transit, they know kind of how it will go, but precoging everything will run counter to the cycle, they do it to cheaply get data, precoging a cycle might get you all the data, but you already wasted all the energy and there is no point in doing said cycle now.
 
>> "You don't need to apologize for how you feel. In fact, I'm glad that the reminder seems to have been a pleasant one." <<
So, is the Therapist doing this remotely?
Why the >> << dialogue?

Also, I wonder how much of QA's message was heard (because she was usingthe > < system/channel) and what they'll think about it...
Cats being tiny eldritch entities? That checks out."
I don't think this fits?
After all, Epona is a Pegacorn, right?


Uhhh… here, Spirit, chew this while you trot around the table."

Epona would need to revise her biting routines
Why is Epona referred to as 'Spirit'?

>> "I know orders from my parents are absolute," << QA found herself saying on a human-secured channel,
Yeah, this is going to be a red flag...
And now QA is using the >> << messaging?
QA had observed permanent losses of information
I'd rephrase this, 'losses' doesn't quite flow. I feel it should be 'loss'
"Observed multiple instances of permanent information loss" - fe

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1) QA belongs to a race that is able to extensively modify Valkyrie Cores and even create them outright ( now the question is whether they use Occam's razor and assume they are the original creators )
2) QA believes that her mother sees everything she's doing, always, even inside a bunker with space-warped walls and energy dampeners around it
3) QA refers to a larger Experiment, implying that Antagonists and Valkyries were created by the same entities who will observe the results of the conflagration and wipe out the survivors after a set period of time
While I can't find any issues with 2 & 3, you forgot the more reasonable conclusion that they'd make regarding 1.
They'll think this is confirmation that QA was a Valkyrie core, and that her parents are the creators.
However, it's not unreasonable that they connect the statement about 'this world' to that point. Valkyrie Cores are already acknowledged as somewhat Alien - the idea that they were made by Aliens isn't that far a jump.
Also, it would create a reasonable explaination for how/why Hell's Hand was never found before this point.


Their calculation are not near complete and are pretty basic, they calculate all the ways they can be beaten, remove them or adjust themselves to counter those while in transit, they know kind of how it will go, but precoging everything will run counter to the cycle, they do it to cheaply get data, precoging a cycle might get you all the data, but you already wasted all the energy and there is no point in doing said cycle now.
Also, no simulation is perfect - many of the so called perfect ones actually are the result of correcting things unnoticeably.

the whole point of the cycle is to find new power interactions.
 
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Also, no simulation is perfect - many of the so called perfect ones actually are the result of correcting things unnoticeably.

the whole point of the cycle is to find new power interactions.
No, the calculations are perfect if you are willing to invest the power, there is no specialness of free will or something, Eden is perfectly capable of determining where this squirrel great great great.... grandson a thousand years from now is going to make his 12,034 bathroom break, if she is willing to invest power.

The entities are perfectly capable of precoging all the data of a cycle, it is just expensive and won't always give enough results to be worth the investment.

Make no mistakes, as much as many fanfics water them down to show up the worm verse, the entities are gods next to humanity, their problems with advancing further don't change the fact that they are practically gods to the us of now.
 
No, the calculations are perfect if you are willing to invest the power, there is no specialness of free will or something, Eden is perfectly capable of determining where this squirrel great great great.... grandson a thousand years from now is going to make his 12,034 bathroom break, if she is willing to invest power.

The entities are perfectly capable of precoging all the data of a cycle, it is just expensive and won't always give enough results to be worth the investment.

Make no mistakes, as much as many fanfics water them down to show up the worm verse, the entities are gods next to humanity, their problems with advancing further don't change the fact that they are practically gods to the us of now.

I'm not sure you follow the point here. A cycle is useless if it's only simulated because they have already determined that their current simulations do not permit a solution. The goal of a cycle is to have as many exotic things interact as possible in the hopes of an outcome that does not match their prediction because that means they can experiment and refine their models to better reflect a reality where the solution might exist rather than it just confirming they have no options.

If it was about power they wouldn't need to perform a cycle, they'd just focus on gathering power. There is side benefits of improving the individual Shards in a comparatively cheap way but that's not the main goal of the cycle which cannot be achieved with precog alone.
 
The ease with which QA could interpret her expression only reinforced the viability of Angelica's chosen Concept. Queen Administrator hadn't been so impressed by a human since she'd met Anna.
Is there any shard with a similar Concept? The closest I can think of is Negotiator and .... Broadcast. Maybe whoever teacher's shard was?
 
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No, the calculations are perfect if you are willing to invest the power, there is no specialness of free will or something, Eden is perfectly capable of determining where this squirrel great great great.... grandson a thousand years from now is going to make his 12,034 bathroom break, if she is willing to invest power.

The entities are perfectly capable of precoging all the data of a cycle, it is just expensive and won't always give enough results to be worth the investment.

Make no mistakes, as much as many fanfics water them down to show up the worm verse, the entities are gods next to humanity, their problems with advancing further don't change the fact that they are practically gods to the us of now.
The problem with that is if it were true, eden would be capable of precoging and driving, and we know that's false.
 
It's not that she wasn't capable of precoging and driving, it's that she didn't. She dug to deep and too greedily and attracted attention of ancient evil that brought her demise (that is to say, humans).
BS it is, I refuse to accept multidimensional space whales that don't have automatic landing systems (that were disrupted by precog).
 
BS it is, I refuse to accept multidimensional space whales that don't have automatic landing systems (that were disrupted by precog).
Remember that precog shard came from Abaddon. Possibly normal precog simulations have safety features and lock outs that prevent you from dwelling on a theoretical future that is no longer possible. They don't keep spamming data about how "This Cycle is going to be great" while you are on a collision course with a planet. Eden got the ability to daydream for the first time and couldn't handle it.
 
<CUTE!>

Addendum: Queen Administrator failed to suppress her reflexive urges. There was simply too much precedent accessible even in her reduced state. :Newborns: had never hurt her while she was reviewing their adorably simplistic systems; if they were smart enough to ask for her aid, then they understood that such an attack would not be conducive to their long-term development. It was always lovely to teach someone who wouldn't exploit her distraction to attempt an attack.

The office had far too much empty space to be a Newborn's early attempts at a data center, communications array, or defense nexus. It could be one of their first attempts at a simulation, though. :Newborns: sometimes forgot that–

"<–not all available surfaces will always be covered with yourselves, a :Sibling:, or your progenitor. Scan alternative environments when you're working on your first simulations. I don't recommend asking our relatives for help — unless it's me, of course. They frequently think it's funny to provide misinformation and–>"

...so, the takeoff here is that QA is a happy helpful motormouth, who's natural tendencies are repressed due to bullying from her :SIBLINGS:. Little wonder she chose Taylor as a host to bond to, and once UNOMI get Taylor to wake up now that she's being extracted from Hell's Hand, the similiarities will only reinforce the perception that they're sisters/clones/bodyswapped valk&core even more.
 
2) QA believes that her mother sees everything she's doing, always, even inside a bunker with space-warped walls and energy dampeners around it
This could easily be psychological. The illusion of everpresence is a very useful control device, and paranoia is pretty easy to trigger, as far as such things go. Thus "they are always watching" could pretty easily be all in Q.A.'s imagination. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't consider the alternative, but it is far from confirmed.

As far as "world" goes, there are very clear connotations there, but "world" is not actually a synonym for "planet". They often correlate, because people often have a planetary view of their world, but there are many other uses of the word, all of them equally valid. "home" and "the outside world" could easily result in such language, as an example... Again, very much something to look into, given the bizarreness of the situation and the stakes involved, but I do not see Q.A.'s statement as comprehensive confirmation by itself.
 
As far as "world" goes, there are very clear connotations there, but "world" is not actually a synonym for "planet". They often correlate, because people often have a planetary view of their world, but there are many other uses of the word, all of them equally valid. "home" and "the outside world" could easily result in such language, as an example... Again, very much something to look into, given the bizarreness of the situation and the stakes involved, but I do not see Q.A.'s statement as comprehensive confirmation by itself.
I think it's confirmation when combined with her earlier statement about planet-killing weapons potentially being more useful than people realize.
 
There's a difference between confirmation and supporting evidence, y'all. :p

The UN has other strangeness to contend with, too, such as the seemingly-arbitrary atmospheric limitations on connections to Symbie. One word that may even be deliberate misinformation does not certainty make.

It does make for frustration and arguing, though.
 
So... I know people have been repeatedly bringing up the 'this world' quote from the latest chapter and the implications thereof, but what I'm really curious about is this.

<–not all available surfaces will always be covered with yourselves, a :Sibling:, or your progenitor. Scan alternative environments when you're working on your first simulations.

Just what are the humans thinking of this? I doubt they'll go straight to 'continental sized super computers', so I'm guessing they'll interpret this as something like 'not all territory will be under the control of yourself, your siblings, etc'. And simulations are apparently separate from experiments, so what do the humans think they are? Dream training/brainwashing? The stage before experiments where some people dream up testing grounds?

And aside from that, I'd like to give sincere kudos to Dr Angelica. Her efforts to include non euclidean structures in her office paid off wildly well at making QA feel comfortable. The fact that a human's best efforts look almost exactly as good as a newborn shard's attempts is also to be commended.
 
Just what are the humans thinking of this? I doubt they'll go straight to 'continental sized super computers', so I'm guessing they'll interpret this as something like 'not all territory will be under the control of yourself, your siblings, etc'. And simulations are apparently separate from experiments, so what do the humans think they are? Dream training/brainwashing? The stage before experiments where some people dream up testing grounds?
There would be a lot of headscratching at that line, I agree. QA is literal to a degree that's bordering on robotic, so metaphors are hard to justify. Though it's tough to say how much is getting translated because I'm fairly sure that bit was done in shardspeak and humans maybe can understand the title of those. So <CUTE!> and <EMBARRASSMENT.> 's literal 'cute' and 'embarrassment' probably got through (not the half a terabyte of context attached), but the middle ramble is just pure black speech that literally causes internal bleeding if you pay too much attention.
 
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It does make for frustration and arguing, though.
Theory, Taylor/Queen Administrator is actually an infohazard designed by antagonists to cause a civil war in Big Sister.


Just what are the humans thinking of this? I doubt they'll go straight to 'continental sized super computers', so I'm guessing they'll interpret this as something like 'not all territory will be under the control of yourself, your siblings, etc'. And simulations are apparently separate from experiments, so what do the humans think they are? Dream training/brainwashing? The stage before experiments where some people dream up testing grounds?
Fits a Valkyrie Arcology though.
 
A cycle is useless if it's only simulated because they have already determined that their current simulations do not permit a solution.
They can, backup plan to finding a solution is coming together at the end and combining the species' energy and data to precog a solution.
If it was about power they wouldn't need to perform a cycle, they'd just focus on gathering power. There is side benefits of improving the individual Shards in a comparatively cheap way but that's not the main goal of the cycle which cannot be achieved with precog alone.
They focus on spending power to get the most data, there is limited amount of energy in the universe.
The problem with that is if it were true, eden would be capable of precoging and driving, and we know that's false.
I am not sure how her stupidity of getting distracted when planning a future has anything to do with it.
 
There's a difference between confirmation and supporting evidence, y'all. :p

The UN has other strangeness to contend with, too, such as the seemingly-arbitrary atmospheric limitations on connections to Symbie. One word that may even be deliberate misinformation does not certainty make.

It does make for frustration and arguing, though.
That's assuming the therapist even shares it without more collaboration. Breaking confidentiality isn't done lightly and really should not be done on pure speculation.
 
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