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Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]

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SisterJeanne said:
Good point. So, I'd say we have more than enough combat power to serve Abyssmark with an eviction notice with extreme prejudice.

Here's what I'm seeing for our dance card: CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Shinano, BB New Jersey, BB Musashi, FBB Kongou, CC Saratoga, CB Alaska, CA Prinz Eugen, CA San Fransisco, CL St. Louis, CL Naka, DD Johnston, DD Hoel, DD Heerman. I suspect I'm missing a few screening ships from the IJN/USN shipgirl fleet.

Looks like Task Force 1 would be the carriers plus maybe Kongou/Sara/Laska as heavy screening elements, with cruisers and destroyers to protect them. Say the carriers, Taffies, Lou and either Sara, Kongou, or 'Laska to thicken up the AAA along with a few more DDs for the screen/planeguard. I'd personally say 'Laska since she has the best AAA of those three and would be death on cruisers.

Then you have the gunline built around Jersey and Mushi for the killing punch, your FBB/CB/CC to deal with the small fry and screen along with the CAs, Naka and DDs.
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That sounds about right to me, assuming no additional girls summon themselves before the main event.
 
SisterJeanne said:
Good point. So, I'd say we have more than enough combat power to serve Abyssmark with an eviction notice with extreme prejudice.

Here's what I'm seeing for our dance card: CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Shinano, BB New Jersey, BB Musashi, FBB Kongou, CC Saratoga, CB Alaska, CA Prinz Eugen, CA San Fransisco, CL St. Louis, CL Naka, DD Johnston, DD Hoel, DD Heerman. I suspect I'm missing a few screening ships from the IJN/USN shipgirl fleet.

Looks like Task Force 1 would be the carriers plus maybe Kongou/Sara/Laska as heavy screening elements, with cruisers and destroyers to protect them. Say the carriers, Taffies, Lou and either Sara, Kongou, or 'Laska to thicken up the AAA along with a few more DDs for the screen/planeguard. I'd personally say 'Laska since she has the best AAA of those three and would be death on cruisers.

Then you have the gunline built around Jersey and Mushi for the killing punch, your FBB/CB/CC to deal with the small fry and screen along with the CAs, Naka and DDs.
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I don't remember if Jintsuu was along for this mission or not.

I guess one of the concerns (and there are plenty of planning concerns when fighting demon Nazi battleships from hell) is how large an area around Pearl is impacted by the arctic weather. Tough as our girls are, they aren't icebreakers. If its 5 miles, its not a huge deal. If its 25-30 miles, it makes things more complicated.
 
Rancher_357 said:
I don't remember if Jintsuu was along for this mission or not.
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AFAIK Jintsuu is back in Japan managing things. Naka is the representative from the Sendai triplets sent to get payback for her sister's death.

Grumpkin said:
That sounds about right to me, assuming no additional girls summon themselves before the main event.
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True, I'm just counting what we have seen on screen. I'm also sure that there's a few murderballs of destroyers that I'm missing just because you want to have screening ships for the carriers plus planeguards, and the gunline needs some ASW/AA screen too. If I had my option, I'd include Fubuki, Mutsuki and Yuudachi with the carriers as ASW/planeguard (who have AA covered with the Taffies and 'Laska who would be in her '44 config as launched anyway so ZOMGWTFBBQ levels of radar guided AA, any Abyssal trying for them could walk around on the flak) and have Naka lead the duckies with the gunline as a base for AAA and ASW. Maybe throw in more destroyers and DEs if practical, you can really never have enough of them. Well and also get Archie, Albie and Iku to scout Pearl and picket it before the strike.

Still wishes, fishes and nets.

'Laska is ideal for being screen commander for the carriers since anything that can chase them down is going to die under her twelves, and 'Laska has AAA out the stern (second only to Jersey in the fleet). Plus 'Laska spent her War keeping the Fast Carrier Strike force safe, so it's a job she knows and is good at.
 
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Poor Gambler Bay looks like she needs a hug. Also, I have the mental image of after the War, a bunch of bloody and maimed US Navy Carriers and other ships will show up, having fought the forces of Hell till they had to use bare hands and bayonets. That and torn off body parts of Abyssals. Enterprise will be missing an eye, most of one arm, and be carrying the severed head of a Baron of Hell.

USS Enterprise: "What did we miss?"
Admiral Richardson: *FACEPALM*

Also, the Abyssals will have been what slipped through the cracks.
 
Admiral_Corgi said:
I think Ari will very much approve of Musashi's new look. When she eventually gets it.
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I'm not sure she's eligible for this here. Did Japan ever lay down the keel of an A-150? Make the guns? Test them on a mobile platform? Because throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks may work over in HarryL's thread, but here untested weapons are likely to go boom in your face and put you down one Yamato-class.
 
SisterJeanne said:
Good point. So, I'd say we have more than enough combat power to serve Abyssmark with an eviction notice with extreme prejudice.

Here's what I'm seeing for our dance card: CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Shinano, BB New Jersey, BB Musashi, FBB Kongou, CC Saratoga, CB Alaska, CA Prinz Eugen, CA San Fransisco, CL St. Louis, CL Naka, DD Johnston, DD Hoel, DD Heerman. I suspect I'm missing a few screening ships from the IJN/USN shipgirl fleet.

Looks like Task Force 1 would be the carriers plus maybe Kongou/Sara/Laska as heavy screening elements, with cruisers and destroyers to protect them. Say the carriers, Taffies, Lou and either Sara, Kongou, or 'Laska to thicken up the AAA along with a few more DDs for the screen/planeguard. I'd personally say 'Laska since she has the best AAA of those three and would be death on cruisers.

Then you have the gunline built around Jersey and Mushi for the killing punch, your FBB/CB/CC to deal with the small fry and screen along with the CAs, Naka and DDs.
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I'd move the battlecruisers/cruisers to Jersey's group. Remember that while sailing to Hawaii it's going to be one big group, and once they deploy into a battle formation The carriers are going to be behind the battleline so the threat from surface elements is miniscule, and with anywhere from 60 to almost 200 fighters on hand their main armaments are going more valuable than their limited (in all but Alaska's case) AA armarment.
 
Spectre said:
I'd move the battlecruisers/cruisers to Jersey's group. Remember that while sailing to Hawaii it's going to be one big group, and once they deploy into a battle formation The carriers are going to be behind the battleline so the threat from surface elements is miniscule, and with anywhere from 60 to almost 200 fighters on hand their main armaments are going more valuable than their limited (in all but Alaska's case) AA armarment.
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Yeah, my thinking is that 'Laska would stay with the carriers for two reasons. First off, she's the second biggest AA barge we have behind only Jersey and has the radar and presumably experience from serving at Iwo and Okinawa to vector in CAP to Abyssal bomber strikes from Pearl or the enemy carrier that was providing FW-190 cover. Second, if anything cruiser size or under does get by the gunline to head for the carriers, she can murder it before it can shoot up our carriers. Add in either the Taffies or Kidd/Borie/O'Bannon for AA/ASW coverage and some planeguard destroyers like Fubuki and we are fine there. If Sammie's along she goes with the carriers since she's the ultimate trump card in case a H-44 arrives and can keep up with Kaga. ;)

The gunline gets Sara and Kongou who are better at surface warfare and worse at AA than Alaska to back up Musashi and Jersey. Pringles and Frisco go here as well and possibly Lou, although Lou could also be used with the carriers to stiffen their AA. Add in a destroyer screen led by Naka and you are fine there. The nasty thing from the Abyssal's POV is unlike fighting Mo, Jersey and Mushi have more than enough ships to deal with the abyssal screen and lighter elements, which lets our best gunslingers start shooting at their battleships right off the bat.
 
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owlmessenger said:
Did Japan ever lay down the keel of an A-150? Make the guns?
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No keel was ever laid down...they never even finished laying down the Yamato-class ships. Yamato #4 (Hull No. 111) was laid down, but stopped after the Battle of Midway, and what little steel that had been assembled for her transferred to the conversion of CVE Shinyo. Yamato #5 (Hull #797) was never laid down. To my knowledge, no 20-inch guns or turrets for them were constructed by Japan, though I believe the USN did make some 20-inch guns during the war as test weapons.
 
ijnfleetadmiral said:
No keel was ever laid down...they never even finished laying down the Yamato-class ships. Yamato #4 (Hull No. 111) was laid down, but stopped after the Battle of Midway, and what little steel that had been assembled for her transferred to the conversion of CVE Shinyo. Yamato #5 (Hull #797) was never laid down. To my knowledge, no 20-inch guns or turrets for them were constructed by Japan, though I believe the USN did make some 20-inch guns during the war as test weapons.
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Actually, two guns and one gun mount were made at Kure just before the war for testing. What happened to said guns though are unknown though there is a story that they were fired at Mo (which is where the story of the top speed of the Iowa class being more then what was listed is).
 
SisterJeanne said:
Yeah, my thinking is that 'Laska would stay with the carriers for two reasons. First off, she's the second biggest AA barge we have behind only Jersey and has the radar and presumably experience from serving at Iwo and Okinawa to vector in CAP to Abyssal bomber strikes from Pearl or the enemy carrier that was providing FW-190 cover. Second, if anything cruiser size or under does get by the gunline to head for the carriers, she can murder it before it can shoot up our carriers. Add in either the Taffies or Kidd/Borie/O'Bannon for AA/ASW coverage and some planeguard destroyers like Fubuki and we are fine there. If Sammie's along she goes with the carriers since she's the ultimate trump card in case a H-44 arrives and can keep up with Kaga. ;)

The gunline gets Sara and Kongou who are better at surface warfare and worse at AA than Alaska to back up Musashi and Jersey. Pringles and Frisco go here as well and possibly Lou, although Lou could also be used with the carriers to stiffen their AA. Add in a destroyer screen led by Naka and you are fine there. The nasty thing from the Abyssal's POV is unlike fighting Mo, Jersey and Mushi have more than enough ships to deal with the abyssal screen and lighter elements, which lets our best gunslingers start shooting at their battleships right off the bat.
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I'm not sure anyone other than the carriers was allowed to vector fighters, and Lou is a definitely one for the screening force given her classes reputation for doing obscene things to anything with less than a foot of armor.
 
Destroyers had fighter-direction teams in their CICs that used the ship's air-search radar to direct CAP fighters to incoming attacks. I imagine bigger ships did too.
 
Spectre said:
I'm not sure anyone other than the carriers was allowed to vector fighters, and Lou is a definitely one for the screening force given her classes reputation for doing obscene things to anything with less than a foot of armor.
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Well, even if Laska never vectored fighters herself, she has a better understanding of the concept of radar-directed CAP than any of the Japanese carriers ever did (since Kaga and Akagi relied on their screen firing at inbound planes and Shinano never launched a plane). Either way, she's ideal for the heavy escort for our carriers since she has the smallest main guns of our three BC type ships but the best AA.

Agree that Lou should be sent to pick on their screen since her class could put out sickening amounts of damage downrange on lightly armored ships.
 
SisterJeanne said:
Well, even if Laska never vectored fighters herself, she has a better understanding of the concept of radar-directed CAP than any of the Japanese carriers ever did (since Kaga and Akagi relied on their screen firing at inbound planes and Shinano never launched a plane). Either way, she's ideal for the heavy escort for our carriers since she has the smallest main guns of our three BC type ships but the best AA.

Agree that Lou should be sent to pick on their screen since her class could put out sickening amounts of damage downrange on lightly armored ships.
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Considering who trained Shinano I wouldn't be surprised if she got lessons on that.
 
I'm sort of waiting for the day in this story when big, proud, stoic Kaga finally loses her composure and just snuggles the stuffing out of White Plains.

In front of everybody.

It's going to happen. It has to. She can't last indefinitely. Nobody is that strong. Nobody.
 
Grumpkin said:
I'm sort of waiting for the day in this story when big, proud, stoic Kaga finally loses her composure and just snuggles the stuffing out of White Plains.

In front of everybody.

It's going to happen. It has to. She can't last indefinitely. Nobody is that strong. Nobody.
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So instead of Nagamon we'll have Kagamon? Okay...I'd like to see that. :D
 
Spectre said:
Considering who trained Shinano I wouldn't be surprised if she got lessons on that.
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That actually might finally make Shinano feel useful in battle--she may not have the level of strike muscle that you'd expect in a ship of her size, but if she's been well-trained in American fighter direction/C3I techniques, she could end up becoming one hell of a command ship for the aerial forces... which is a massive force multiplier that can make the limited assets available vastly more effective. Add in the fact that while she air wing is small, it's some of the best aircraft that the shipgirls have, making it a great "silver bullet" for use against specific targets, and that she's not only the natural "bomb magnet" of the fleet due to her size, but able to tank the punishment involved, well... she's finally found her place on the battlefield: drawing aggro and controlling the air battle.
 
ijnfleetadmiral said:
So instead of Nagamon we'll have Kagamon? Okay...I'd like to see that. :D
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Frankly, anybody here who doesn't get a warm fuzzy feeling at the thought of adorable little "White-chan" squealing and flailing her arms to ward off the Kaga-shaped tickle monster needs to be checked for a pulse.

Especially if Akagi is involved, and Nagato is standing to one side trying to act all reserved and pretend she isn't just waiting her turn. ;)
 
Grumpkin said:
Frankly, anybody here who doesn't get a warm fuzzy feeling at the thought of adorable little "White-chan" squealing and flailing her arms to ward off the Kaga-shaped tickle monster needs to be checked for a pulse.

Especially if Akagi is involved, and Nagato is standing to one side trying to act all reserved and pretend she isn't just waiting her turn. ;)
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Actually, I can see Nagato laughing her stern off at it. And recording it on her phone.
 
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