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Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]

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Farmerbob1 said:
I wanted to share with you all something that would explain what I mean by armor shapes not being difficult to engineer.

Steel bridge beams can be enormous.

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If you have the right machinery you can forge steel into almost anything. Given the right treatment you could develop stronger warship armor now than was previously available. But industry, politics, and government have to all be pulling together. Which means everyone needs to understand Abyssals are a threat to everyone, not just the coasts. You can't have a war machine like the US did in WWII without the support of the people. Things that were commonplace become scarce. Rationing eventually impacts everything. Not that people would be driven to starvation, but eggbeaters and the like would become more common place over farm fresh eggs, just as one example.

People in companies would have to be retrained to build new things. Not things that were completely foreign, but new applications. Look at small arms in WWII. Sure, you see some expected names on M1s, Carbines, and 1911a1s: Colt, Winchester, Springfield Armory. But you also see I.B.M., Inland (a division of GM), Remington-Rand (typewriters and razors), International Harvester, and the Rock-o-la jukebox company. None of these companies made guns when they started but they did make small machines and machine parts, which lent them technologically to the manufacture of firearms.

Someone posted earlier about how certain civilian vessels took two years to build. They could build them faster, but then their yards would be sitting empty till another one or two ship order came in. And when the yard is empty, no money is being made. Ship supply is nearly a science based on demand and order lead time, and planned obsolescence. In a naval heavy war, you would find ships being turned out much quicker, depending on type. We built 175 Fletchers, but only 10 battleships. Why? Battleships were far more resource intensive compared to destroyers and subs.

Could we build equipment to counter the abyssals? We could. I certainly hope the country isn't rolling along with no changes, saying, oh, we'll just summon more ship girls.
 
Farmerbob1 said:
I'm curious if you are aware of how restricted luxury items were in WW2 in the US, and how heavy handed the government was with industry. It does not sound like you really appreciate just how much people tightened their belts and rolled up their sleeves.

I will also point out that Mo had drones up, and they were feeding signal to the rest of the world. And the rest of the world watched the battle.

No mention was made of the drones being shot down. No mention was made as to whether or not those drones were sending to satellite or to Hawaii directly.

It is very possible that the world got to watch live as Abyssals converged on the sinking ships, picked the survivors out of the water, and ate them.

Show that video to US citizens and the rest of the world, and the reaction you will get cannot be overstated.
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Fine. Whatever. You can have the point on the command economy. However I don't recall mention of bodies being fished out of the water and eaten. There would almost certainly be fog, in a scenario like this one. And even if that was the case, that would only make things clear them now, and not two years before this fight, so I find it to be irrelevant to the idea that we should have new models of ships to fight the Abyssals by now.

With that off my chest, and not buzzing around in my head, I think that's the last thing I'll be responding to from you on this topic. You've still yet to argue convincingly for why the people on the ground would percieve things the same way you do, or for why they wouldn't focus on kanmusu. This entire conversation is a derail, at this point. And I really don't feel like continuing in PMs. So I'm just going to stop, at this point.

Edit: Also, someone said it better than me, and I missed it. The only thing I would say in response is that figuring out why they couldn't summon kanmusu was probably something that ended up eating R&D funds, at some point. I doubt they entirely dropped steel hulls, it's a 'try as many things as possible' situation. That said, bringing back the best Battleships ever built would have been a major priority, and rightly so. I'm willing to bet there's more funds for new weapons and ships, now that summoning has become a thing for US ships.
 
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Nixeu said:
Fine. Whatever. You can have the point on the command economy. However I don't recall mention of bodies being fished out of the water and eaten. There would almost certainly be fog, in a scenario like this one. And even if that was the case, that would only make things clear them now, and not two years before this fight, so I find it to be irrelevant to the idea that we should have new models of ships to fight the Abyssals by now.

With that off my chest, and not buzzing around in my head, I think that's the last thing I'll be responding to from you on this topic. You've still yet to argue convincingly for why the people on the ground would percieve things the same way you do, or for why they wouldn't focus on kanmusu. This entire conversation is a derail, at this point. And I really don't feel like continuing in PMs. So I'm just going to stop, at this point.

Edit: Also, someone said it better than me, and I missed it. The only thing I would say in response is that figuring out why they couldn't summon kanmusu was probably something that ended up eating R&D funds, at some point. I doubt they entirely dropped steel hulls, it's a 'try as many things as possible' situation. That said, bringing back the best Battleships ever built would have been a major priority, and rightly so. I'm willing to bet there's more funds for new weapons and ships, now that summoning has become a thing for US ships.
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Fair enough. I will point out one thing though. Mo's drone was sending images clear enough that observers could tell that one of the Abyssals was pregnant.
 
You know, I just gotta wonder who'll name Mutsu's kids. Herself? John?... Jane? My bet is, Jane gets to name her siblings. Or at least influence either her dad or Mutsu-mama towards a suggestion.
 
Iron informed me via Discord that names are already picked out. Of course, he ain't telling anyone until after Mutsu gives birth, but something tells me that the names will be quite fitting.
 
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