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theJMPer said:
It's not that. SV doubles all my carriage returns.

It's a bit of a complicated issue. @Skywalker_T-65 was handling the European theater, so you'd assume any German ships would be showing up in his eurobote omakes. But I'd asked him not to use any German ships to preserve the "wut?" factor of Pringles coming back American. That lead to a bit of an issue where there weren't any German ships showing up and we needed an explanation beyond "jmpr doesn't want to spoil a joke." Also, Puddin wasn't just a prize, she was actually commissioned into the USN as unclassified miscellaneous vessel USS Prinz Eugen IX-300.

The in-universe reason is that the Bundesmarine can't come up with a good summoning ritual. Germany's mostly inland, so the "if we loose control of the seas EVERYTHING WILL DIE" angle doesn't work like it does for Britain or Japan. And the "rah rah! Nationalism! Look at how awesome we were in the 40's" is off the table for obvious reasons.
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The reason why I did that joke thing with Illinois was due to her being commissioned by the US Navy, and her Ship's Bell actually still existing, and being rung when the U of I team scores touchdowns.

If I were a better wordsmith, I'd have her scoot through during the opening of the Locker, leading to the Great Lakes naval base getting a visit from a woman dressed as a 1940's sailor (minus her legs) in a wheelchair, and appologizing that she's late, but is willing to enlist....right after her 'Crew' builds the rest of her and gets proper freaking training.

But since I'm not, I'll just leave her as a comedy reaction figure, and possibly small snippets of her cursing the fact that she's stuck with a bunch of Naval Yard welder fairies who have no idea how to sailor. Or something.
 
theJMPer said:
It's not that. SV doubles all my carriage returns.

It's a bit of a complicated issue. @Skywalker_T-65 was handling the European theater, so you'd assume any German ships would be showing up in his eurobote omakes. But I'd asked him not to use any German ships to preserve the "wut?" factor of Pringles coming back American. That lead to a bit of an issue where there weren't any German ships showing up and we needed an explanation beyond "jmpr doesn't want to spoil a joke." Also, Puddin wasn't just a prize, she was actually commissioned into the USN as unclassified miscellaneous vessel USS Prinz Eugen IX-300.

The in-universe reason is that the Bundesmarine can't come up with a good summoning ritual. Germany's mostly inland, so the "if we loose control of the seas EVERYTHING WILL DIE" angle doesn't work like it does for Britain or Japan. And the "rah rah! Nationalism! Look at how awesome we were in the 40's" is off the table for obvious reasons.
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So what exactly prevents the Abyssals from coming up the rivers? They don't have the draft of real warships.

Unless there's some reason they can't, they're a pretty serious threat to most of the major cities of Germany.
 
7734 said:
My main issue is they half-ass any sort of symbolism or concept they're working into the art, and I hit this issue a lot with their cruisers. Roman Revival is a really good look to do oil pastel work in even if the lines are uncompromising in the modern manga style, and in more than a few of their ships the Pacific group does well. Then there are the fuckups like St. Louis, who's outfit consists of one wet tabbard and a blue belt, or the submarines who get two reels of dental floss and instructions to make it work. All the art mastery in the world won't save you when that's your design.
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Yeah... some of their choices are really weird when it comes down to it. As an aside, since Jersey here looked like her Pacific incarnation... Does that mean that if Edsall gets summoned people are going to be giving Jersey looks?
 
theJMPer said:
The in-universe reason is that the Bundesmarine can't come up with a good summoning ritual. Germany's mostly inland, so the "if we loose control of the seas EVERYTHING WILL DIE" angle doesn't work like it does for Britain or Japan. And the "rah rah! Nationalism! Look at how awesome we were in the 40's" is off the table for obvious reasons.
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Which is where Hindy comes in, of course.


Though, to be completely honest, I would rather write the Imp Germans anyway so the 'difficulties' with the KM girls compared to the K-M girls is fine by me. Blucher is the rare exception where I would rather write the WW2 version of a girl.

Otherwise, I like writing Hindy and Seydlitz more than Bisko and Tirp so things work out. Though the readers may have a different view.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Which is where Hindy comes in, of course.


Though, to be completely honest, I would rather write the Imp Germans anyway so the 'difficulties' with the KM girls compared to the K-M girls is fine by me. Blucher is the rare exception where I would rather write the WW2 version of a girl.

Otherwise, I like writing Hindy and Seydlitz more than Bisko and Tirp so things work out. Though the readers may have a different view.
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and now i see some german admiral getting the bright idea to summon Bismark, by bringing in her remaining crew members, and dressing them in their military uniforms and singing a ww2 german navy song, in hopes of summoning Bismark. they of course get the wartime, pride of the third reichs surface fleet. who desires war, to prove her failure was a fluke.
said german admiral now has to deal with a formal inquiry into his actions, and violating military procedure as well as bringing in civilians to a top secret military asset.
qnd how the hell is Germany going to feed Bismark anyway?
 
Harry Leferts said:
Not really? The lower Rhine has ships of up to 4,000 tons and the upper has ships of up to 1,500 tons.
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You're mistaking tonnage for draft. Anything over two and a half metres can't get up the Rhine, and the Danube is 1.7 meters at its deepest. Practically I'd cap those rivers at one and three quarters for the Rhine and one and a quarter for the Danube. Then there's the locks; which are another hard cap on things.

Hamburg is still screwed, but everything else would be reasonably fine.


EDIT: Sauce on modern conditions of rivers in Europe.
 
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7734 said:
You're mistaking tonnage for draft. Anything over two and a half metres can't get up the Rhine, and the Danube is 1.7 meters at its deepest. Practically I'd cap those rivers at one and three quarters for the Rhine and one and a quarter for the Danube. Then there's the locks; which are another hard cap on things.

Hamburg is still screwed, but everything else would be reasonably fine.


EDIT: Sauce on modern conditions of rivers in Europe.
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PT Boats and River Monitors. A number of them have draughts less then 2 meters and operated on the Danube during WWI.
 
I have a question for theJMPer...you stated that Germany doesn't want to summon any Kriegsmarine ships. What about those vessels that served in the prewar Reichsmarine? And maybe have submarine U-47 be an accidental summons? And have her be the German version of Iku, just to give the German admiral more gray hairs? :D
 
ijnfleetadmiral said:
I have a question for theJMPer...you stated that Germany doesn't want to summon any Kriegsmarine ships. What about those vessels that served in the prewar Reichsmarine? And maybe have submarine U-47 be an accidental summons? And have her be the German version of Iku, just to give the German admiral more gray hairs? :D
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You'd have to ask Sky, that's his theater.
 
Harry Leferts said:
PT Boats and River Monitors. A number of them have draughts less then 2 meters and operated on the Danube during WWI.
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So a floating target walking straight into the biggest firebasket on the continent then. River monitors were historically terrible at anything that wasn't basically a sitting duck, while PT boats are the UR example of crash and burn combatants. When you're waltzing into the literal textbook definition of a trap in hostile terrain crawling with artillery waiting to smoke you, a PT boat or monitor ain't worth shit.
 
Harry Leferts said:
Yeah... some of their choices are really weird when it comes down to it. As an aside, since Jersey here looked like her Pacific incarnation... Does that mean that if Edsall gets summoned people are going to be giving Jersey looks?
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Okay, gotta ask, ... why does she have a sword? I mean, pointy stabby is always appreciated, but really, a sword? Tenryuu and Kiso aside, that's ... shall we say an unwise choice to bring to a gun fight.
 
As far as Germany goes, they've had Barham and the Swedes covering things for the most part. The Baltic is, shall we say, difficult for Abyssals. Unless you assume they can stealth their way past Denmark or 'spawn' in there, for lack of a better word. I can imagine that in the Med, less so the Baltic.
 
Strypgia said:
There's a GDocs add-on that makes sure the BB code formatting transfers ok. No idea why SV's post box flattens it.
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*mutter mutter* Gotta find that.
7734 said:
River monitors were historically terrible at anything that wasn't basically a sitting duck, while PT boats are the UR example of crash and burn combatants. When you're waltzing into the literal textbook definition of a trap in hostile terrain crawling with artillery waiting to smoke you, a PT boat or monitor ain't worth shit.
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I dunno. The Brits used one pretty effectively to open up Antwerp. HMS Roberts. By sailing it up a river, and shelling the holy hell out of the German installations. After a failed amphibious assault. She only drafted 11 feet.
 
Burning Baron said:
I dunno. The Brits used one pretty effectively to open up Antwerp. HMS Roberts. By sailing it up a river, and shelling the holy hell out of the German installations. After a failed amphibious assault. She only drafted 11 feet.
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Counterpoint; you're talking about a boat that drafts three and a third meters in a situation where you don't have that kind of depth of water to play with. By making a shallower boat, you're taking away wiggle room for more guns, armor, and engines. Your example is basically an ocean going monitor- but given the depth of water, you could have serious trouble operating even E-boats.
 
7734 said:
You're mistaking tonnage for draft. Anything over two and a half metres can't get up the Rhine, and the Danube is 1.7 meters at its deepest. Practically I'd cap those rivers at one and three quarters for the Rhine and one and a quarter for the Danube. Then there's the locks; which are another hard cap on things.
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The Danube at it's shallowest is three feet, or 0.9 meters, just to chime in. Couldn't find a map showing the depth levels, but:
7734 said:
but given the depth of water, you could have serious trouble operating even E-boats.
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This is correct. There're points where low depth would have to be circumvented, which would mean more non-naval assets devoted to an operation.
7734 said:
So a floating target walking straight into the biggest firebasket on the continent then. River monitors were historically terrible at anything that wasn't basically a sitting duck, while PT boats are the UR example of crash and burn combatants. When you're waltzing into the literal textbook definition of a trap in hostile terrain crawling with artillery waiting to smoke you, a PT boat or monitor ain't worth shit.
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However, there's a limit to the number of shells, missiles, bombs, aircraft, and artillery Germany and the rest of the European Union has. A war of attrition with disposable fast attack craft mixed with somewhat more valuable monitors could eventually turn in the Abyssals favor, especially if the plentiful and potent Abyssal jet aircraft are thrown in to assist.

But that all relies on there being a breakthrough against defense forces Sky mentioned, and those forced being available to deploy in the first place.
 
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