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rdfox said:
While bulbous bow designs were old hat by that time--even US pre-dreadnoughts had them, and they were often known as "Atlantic bows" in ship design at the time--the Yamato class did pioneer the modern projecting bulbous bow. (US pre-dreads retained their ram bows for hydrodynamic reasons even long after ramming ceased to be a realistic tactical option; they actually made what's called a "plow bow" that was sort of similar to a projecting bulbous bow, but it was dropped in favor of a straight bulb around the time that we started building dreadnoughts.) While a straight bulbous bow does reduce drag nicely (through some black magic involving changing the wave pattern on the bow), extending it past the stem is even more effective (through further black magic involving interference patterns between the bulb's wake waves and the stem's wake waves almost completely cancelling each other out that just doesn't make any sense to me from a physics standpoint). Thus, the Yams did provide us with one great legacy in naval architecture that is used on virtually all large ships today.


Who's the one on the left supposed to be? SoDak?
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One thing to point out, that advantage of the projecting bulbous bow only exists in perfectly calm water, once you start getting chop and wave action the advantages start to vanish quickly according to the latest hydrodynamics modelling and research. The USS Texas hull form is actually *more* efficient in typical Atlantic conditions than the modern super-bulbous prow because the smaller, less projecting bulb isn't as badly affected by the surface wave action.

Basically if I'm understanding it correctly, the problem is that the bow wave generated by the bulbous bow which produces the 'calm' through which the rest of the hull sails thus reducing friction can 'detach' from the hull in even moderate chop, and the further away the wave is generated the lower the required sea state for this separation is. With the modest bulb of the US dreadnought form the bow wave stays attached even up to fairly heavy seas, while the massive projecting bulb of modern usage gets disrupted in even relatively light seas.
 
Cyrus 21 said:
Going by that logic, HMS Victory, USS Texas, and IJN Mikasa would have some strength behind them, considering that they're all old enough to have souls, and are still afloat. Connie probably has more strength due to being older and still being able to sail under her own power.
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Mikasa and Victory aren't technically afloat, but I digress, they still exist.
ijnfleetadmiral said:
Yamashiro has been confirmed...Fuso is only rumors. No photos/scans of her have yet been seen.
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They didn't sink far apart, so it would make sense that Fuso would found soon after, so hopefully those rumours are true.
 
Sanae Aran said:
Mikasa and Victory aren't technically afloat, but I digress, they still exist.
They didn't sink far apart, so it would make sense that Fuso would found soon after, so hopefully those rumours are true.
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A friend who's involved has informed me that all of Nishimura's ships (save Mogami, which sank in a further-out, much-deeper location) were searched for on this expedition.
 
LordSunhawk said:
One thing to point out, that advantage of the projecting bulbous bow only exists in perfectly calm water, once you start getting chop and wave action the advantages start to vanish quickly according to the latest hydrodynamics modelling and research. The USS Texas hull form is actually *more* efficient in typical Atlantic conditions than the modern super-bulbous prow because the smaller, less projecting bulb isn't as badly affected by the surface wave action.

Basically if I'm understanding it correctly, the problem is that the bow wave generated by the bulbous bow which produces the 'calm' through which the rest of the hull sails thus reducing friction can 'detach' from the hull in even moderate chop, and the further away the wave is generated the lower the required sea state for this separation is. With the modest bulb of the US dreadnought form the bow wave stays attached even up to fairly heavy seas, while the massive projecting bulb of modern usage gets disrupted in even relatively light seas.
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Good thing that the Yamatos operated in the Pacific then.
 
Sanae Aran said:
Mikasa and Victory aren't technically afloat, but I digress, they still exist.
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Texas is also a de-milled museum ship in poor condition (Her hull is badly in need of major repairs, for one.), while Constitution is an active duty ship recently given a full rebuild. Connie is actually closer to fighting trim than her much younger sister.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
And it looks like she did break in half after all.
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Yes, she did, but not in the catastrophic way initially believed. The torpedo hit wounded her badly enough that she limped out of formation and attempted to withdraw, but slowly sank until her bow dipped under and then her center of gravity was completely destroyed by that massive pagoda hanging over the water. It gave way and broke her elderly hull in two right there. The 'burning half' still afloat the following morning was nothing more than the burning oil slick. Most of her crew went into the water and were still swimming for their lives as she went down, and a fire that was burning on the fantail touched off the oil slick as the stern of the ship corkscrewed under, burning most of the survivors alive.
 
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You know, there is a submarine out there, in a museum, old enough to have self-summoned.

And she has reason, perhaps, to be cautious around US shipgirls.

The H. L. Hunley Probably the only submarine in existence that can't swim, and would be terrified of water. She sank three times, killing two and a half crew complements, including her designer and namesake, but despite that, she did have a confirmed kill.
 
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I've seen the 5in on the Lane Victory fire, it's quite impressive and those aren't even blanks. Shame it can't be one of the 16s but seeing that one is, alas, a fools fantasy :/
 
Farmerbob1 said:
You know, there is a submarine out there, in a museum, old enough to have self-summoned.

And she has reason, perhaps, to be cautious around US shipgirls.

The H. L. Hunley Probably the only submarine in existence that can't swim, and would be terrified of water. She sank three times, killing two and a half crew complements, including her designer and namesake, but despite that, she did have a confirmed kill.
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In addition to Hunley, there is also Holland 1, the Fenian Ram (designed by John Holland), and the Intelligent Whale (another hand cranked submersible from the Civil War era). Of course all of them are a little light to show up in BelBat as ship girls....
 
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Farmerbob1 said:
You know, there is a submarine out there, in a museum, old enough to have self-summoned.

And she has reason, perhaps, to be cautious around US shipgirls.

The H. L. Hunley Probably the only submarine in existence that can't swim, and would be terrified of water. She sank three times, killing two and a half crew complements, including her designer and namesake, but despite that, she did have a confirmed kill.
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Ironically, I've always imagined her as a Northern sympathizer, considering she killed more rebels amongst her own crews than her attack killed Yankees.
 
Well, I know of a museum ship that let's you fire a couple of rounds from a Anshan class Destroyer's 12.7mm MG....although it was over ten years ago when I was there...
 
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