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Burning Baron said:
I'd wager a full cell. The Iowas were built to take on other fast battleships, so ASM, which are smaller than the old bombs they used to have to contend with in the Pacific, would do even less damage.
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Yes but ASMs aren't the main threat. Carriers are, and history has proven time and again that carriers are superior combatants to battleships. There's s reason Burkes and Ticonderogas are almost exclusively air defense vessels. A Battleship is simply not a viable investment in today's combat environment as much as I'd love it if it was.
 
Ben Sellers said:
Yes but ASMs aren't the main threat. Carriers are, and history has proven time and again that carriers are superior combatants to battleships. There's s reason Burkes and Ticonderogas are almost exclusively air defense vessels. A Battleship is simply not a viable investment in today's combat environment as much as I'd love it if it was.
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There actually is a form of battleship that's viable in today's combat environment. It's called the arsenal ship.
 
Ben Sellers said:
Huh? Doesn't arsenal ship mean resupply vessel like a land based arsenal does?
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In this case it's a literal missile boat. The Navy has reconfigured four Ohio class subs into carrying 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles each, and there were plans for a class of ship (intended to be paired with an AEGIS crusier for fire control support) able to carry twice as many missiles.
 
Before we start on the Whole Reactivate the Iowas thing, could we all just realize the only thing they'd be useful for is shore bombardment and supporting troop landings? I love them to death, but they're just not cost effective currently. Maybe future tech will change that, but right now you'd be paying Super-Carrier costs for a mobile fire support (really damn good fire support I'll grant you, but still)
 
As I've said, mostly on SB, but the best way to get a big gun, heavily armored ship is some way (likely scramjets) to extend the range of a large shell to make it useful at providing tactical fire support to areas within a large (theoretically several hundred miles) range of the ship, while still being tough enough to get into shallower waters close enough to be attacked by the kinds of AShMs that groups like terrorist cells or smaller adversary states like Iran or North Korea. The Russian super anti-ship missiles are things that I doubt that Russian Industry will be capable of manufacturing in significant numbers (the PAK-FA, the crappier Russian F-22, has been reduces to like 60 units) to be effective against everything the USN could throw at them.

China's a fairly different story, as they do have the industrial capability, but much of their new stuff is relatively untested.
 
You could almost argue that a battle cruiser would better fit in a modern navy than a true battleship. You don't need as much armour as a battleship used to have. But battleships are cooler I guess.
 
It also makes sense to build an armored warship on a smaller scale. You don't need alpha strike anymore so you will only need 1-2 turrets of big guns max. A modern armor scheme will require advanced torpedo protection with reinforced or a layered keel and a strongly armored interior citadel scheme to ensure reserve buoyancy. Have a reserve sensor suite that can telescope if the main sensor arrays have been taken out.
 
Which all sounds fascinating, but A) How much does it cost?
and B) How reliable is it?

You have to be sure it's going to work if you're throwing all your money at this Wunderwaffen, and it's got to be at least as cost-effective as a larger number of smaller, unarmored ships. Preferably more cost-effective, because contrary to the evident beliefs of Congress, there isn't a magic pot of money, which means your budget determines how many of these you can build.
 
PAGDTenno said:
Which all sounds fascinating, but A) How much does it cost?
and B) How reliable is it?

You have to be sure it's going to work if you're throwing all your money at this Wunderwaffen, and it's got to be at least as cost-effective as a larger number of smaller, unarmored ships. Preferably more cost-effective, because contrary to the evident beliefs of Congress, there isn't a magic pot of money, which means your budget determines how many of these you can build.
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Depending on the design, an arsenal ship would likely cost between one and five billion USD. The billion dollar one being lightly armored and without guns or organic fire control, while the five billion one would basically be an Iowa with AEGIS and a fuckton of missiles.
 
Darth Herobrine said:
The Neo Iowas, I can see, but it's kinda hard to go over budget with loading an amphibious warfare ship with VLS cells.
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Either way, I'm assuming we're designing a completely new Hull. I'm sure there are just fucktons of ways for that to run into trouble. And if you want to make it more Cost effective than DDGs that probably means more and better support systems such as Radar, Fire Control, etc. Just seems like a lot of points that could be screwed up.
 
Viper5delta said:
Either way, I'm assuming we're designing a completely new Hull. I'm sure there are just fucktons of ways for that to run into trouble. And if you want to make it more Cost effective than DDGs that probably means more and better support systems such as Radar, Fire Control, etc. Just seems like a lot of points that could be screwed up.
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The USN's main concept has no organic fire control and is directed by an accompanying AEGIS vessel to reduce costs. Though personally, I see that as more of a missile barge than a true BBG.
 
Moving on, so, I found this movie on Netflix. It's called 'Check Point.'

Spoilers, there's a plot by evil anti-Army people to steal and use NorCal to kill the President by sailing her up the Potomac, and shelling DC. It's really shit, but there's nice footage of NorCal.
Check Point (2017) - IMDb
 
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