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Attempting to avoid Disaster: An Earth Defense Plan Quest

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[X] Merge Military and Security Categories
[X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
[X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
[X] CSCEC: Accept Cooperation
 
[X] Merge Military and Security Categories
[X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
[X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
[X] CSCEC: Accept Cooperation
 
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Omake Mechanics and Listings
  • Informational
    • Anyway, the 96/100 really annoys me. Might be a good time to define the Omake Rules.

    Omake Mechanics
    If someone creates an Omake I put it into one of three categories: noncanon, semi-canon and canon, worth specifically 5, 10 and 15 points. I will use these points if a project is very close to completion, like in this particular case boost the 96 above 100 with an Omake of either category.

    Canon:
    [Bonus Spent]Beyond the Pale
    [Bonus Spent]Convoy Duty
    [Bonus Spent]Ballad of Howard the Mule and the Terrible Chicken
    []Magical Geometry Testing Log
    []An Idealist Politician
    []Extracted from the Plasma Injection Engine Project, Full Scale Test Files 1 to 5

    Semicanon:
    [Bonus Spent]Vampyre Negaverse

    Noncanon:
    []Company of Heroes Wolf Night UNDC
    []At the UNDC RnD bureau desing rooms.
     
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  • Informational
    • I would like to point out that unlike the Japanese and European offers, we don't have to use the Chinese Org Dice as part of the Chinese demands. We just have to do two projects of a specific category in China by the end of Q4 2013. If we don't trust the Chinese offer, then we don't have to make full usage of it and just having to do a couple projects in China is an easy price for having the additional options on the table. Especially since they give an +10 to all Infrastructure Dice and not just the Org Infrastructure Dice that they provide.
     
    [X] Merge Military and Security Categories
    [X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
    [X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
    [X] CSCEC: Do Not Cooperation
     
    [X] Do Not Merge Military and Security Categories
    [X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
    [X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
    [X] CSCEC: Do Not Cooperation

    The Chinese offer stinks a bit, we're going to end up having more exposure in a single nation than we'd like.
     
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    [X] Merge Military and Security Categories
    [X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
    [X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
    [X] CSCEC: Do Not Cooperation

    Yeah, I REALLY do not trust the Chinese. They have an angle that we do not know about. The others are pretty obvious. Not for the Chinese.
     
    Starwarlord said:
    Yeah, I REALLY do not trust the Chinese. They have an angle that we do not know about. The others are pretty obvious. Not for the Chinese.
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    It is pretty obvious. They want to be the ones in charge of building our infrastructure to get a greater deal of control over it. For example, if we used an Org Infrastructure Dice to build something like our military HQ, expect it to be placed within China and the Chinese to have greater influence over it than we would like it.

    This can be easily migrated by splitting the dice between regular dice and org dice for less important projects so we get greater oversight over what they are doing and just using regular dice for important stuff we want to do inhouse.
     
    Oshha said:
    if we used an Org Infrastructure Dice to build something like our military HQ, expect it to be placed within China and the Chinese to have greater influence over it than we would like it.
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    Your General staff (And by this I mean Merin with the other two branch COs I rolled :V) would still have final say about where your military HQ would be, but the rest of the assumption is pretty spot on.
     
    There is no good reason to turn down the Chinese assistance. The +10 Infrastructure is worth it alone and the demands are trivially easy to fulfil and nothing compared to what the Japanese and European wants. It is also obvious what the Chinese want to get by offering us such a good deal and while Sokolov is suspicious, he would have to be a moron to not grasp that the Chinese want an in when it comes to building our infrastructure so they have greater influence and control over the UNDC.

    All of this is easily migrated by our choices. Unlike with the Japanese and Europeans, we don't have to use the Org Dice that the Chinese provided us and we can limit them to unimportant projects where we don't mind Chinese influence. Any important projects can be done inhouse using our regular dice and having access to bonuses costs us nothing except something we can easily do and we will have to do at some point anyway as we will need to build up international infrastructure in our sponsor states. Remember, we are not a government so we will be building our bases and such in the countries backing us.

    Again, there is nothing forcing us to use the dice if we don't want to use them and if China doesn't like that, they can be more demanding next time instead of failing to trick us with an unexpectedly good deal. We don't need to shoot ourselves in the foot by refusing it when it only costs things we will need to do anyway and provides a bonus to all of our Infrastructure projects even if we never touch the Org Infrastructure Dice.

    Edit: There is also no difference between what the Chinese are trying to do and what the Japanese are trying to do and what the Europeans are trying to do. If we cannot trust the Chinese deal, we cannot trust the other two offers.
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    Your General staff (And by this I mean Merin with the other two branch COs I rolled :V) would still have final say about where your military HQ would be, but the rest of the assumption is pretty spot on.
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    And can we assume that Sokolov hasn't failed to grasp the ulterior motive of the Chinese? Because if he has, I'm going to be disappointed in him.
     
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    [X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
    [X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
    [X] CSCEC: Accept Cooperation

    Given the amount of influence Japan and is associated corporations will have on us worrying about Chinese influence seems hypocritical lol
     
    VonVonson said:
    Given the amount of influence Japan and is associated corporations will have on us worrying about Chinese influence seems hypocritical lol
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    Exactly. What the Chinese are doing is no different to what the Europeans are trying to do and what the Japanese have already done and are still trying to do. There is nothing shady about the Chinese deal and the reason they are offering such a good deal (and it is a genuinely good deal) is because they want us to accept it and are incentivising us to do so by making it an unexpectedly good deal.
     
    BOTcommander said:
    Your General staff (And by this I mean Merin with the other two branch COs I rolled :V) would still have final say about where your military HQ would be, but the rest of the assumption is pretty spot on.
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    I now have this sinking feeling that accepting the Chinese offer will saddle us with a pair of expensive projects into which dice and resources are fed ... never to be seen again.

    (A "Doing Business in China" caveat emptor case study I read during college popped into my head. tl,dr version: Someone wanted to set up shop in China and their Chinese agent managed to legally steal his investment through shady exploitation of Chinese property laws.)
     
    :rolleyes:

    Right, I was content with just lurking, but I just have to counter unproductive paranoia.

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    tramp_stamp said:
    I now have this sinking feeling that accepting the Chinese offer will saddle us with a pair of expensive projects into which dice and resources are fed ... never to be seen again.

    (A "Doing Business in China" caveat emptor case study I read during college popped into my head. tl,dr version: Someone wanted to set up shop in China and their Chinese agent managed to legally steal his investment through shady exploitation of Chinese property laws.)
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    Nonono, dont worry. Let me explain. After doing the basic stuff in Infra, like refurbishing airfields and harbors, new projects will show up along the lines of:

    []Logistical Port Construction
    -[]Hamburg (0/200 15 Resources per Die)

    Or

    []Logistical Airport Construction
    -[]Frankfurt (0/100 20 Resources per Die)

    If you have goals to construct X faxilities in Y region I will provide the needed locations for these projects.
     
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    tramp_stamp said:
    I now have this sinking feeling that accepting the Chinese offer will saddle us with a pair of expensive projects into which dice and resources are fed ... never to be seen again.
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    To be frank, that is both dumb and paranoid in addition to coming off as uncomfortably sinophobic. Accepting the deal doesn't give us a pair of projects to do, it just means that we have to do two of the projects we will unlocked in China. At the end of the day, we get to pick the projects we do and the only requirement of the Chinese deal is that we do two Infrastructure projects in China before the end of Q4 2013. We get to pick which projects we do and when we do them and we will be doing Infrastructure projects in China and other sponsor states regardless of whether we accept or decline the Chinese deal. The Chinese deal just means we will to prioritise doing infrastructure projects in China higher on the list over say the ones in Japan or Germany or Brazil or any of the other sponsor states.

    And what they are asking of us isn't any worse than what the Japanese and Europeans of us. If anything it is better and less demanding so I don't get why we need to be mysteriously suspicious China and yet trust Japan and the European countries when they are all trying to do the same thing.
     
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    [X] Merge Military and Security Categories
    [X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
    [X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
    [X] CSCEC: Accept Cooperation
     
    So, can we get off the paranoid China discussion, and actually discuss whether we want to be a big hammer smacking down supernatural "terrorists"? Or actually be able to investigate what is going on, and possibly have other options, which might get us to a point where we can get to prevention, rather than just shooting and cleanup.

    Because I see the merger as likely damaging our ability to respond in a non-GUN manner.
     
    [X] Merge Military and Security Categories
    [X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
    [X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
    [X] CSCEC: Accept Cooperation
     
    Lightwhispers said:
    actually discuss whether we want to be a big hammer smacking down supernatural "terrorists"? Or actually be able to investigate what is going on, and possibly have other options, which might get us to a point where we can get to prevention, rather than just shooting and cleanup.

    Because I see the merger as likely damaging our ability to respond in a non-GUN manner.
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    I'm not seeing how it will to be honest. That said, I don't see the security category section as the source of our diplomatic options. To me, that feels more like something that be unlocked by doing a project in Services or Administration or an reaction option to a special event. The merger to me is just whether we want heavily militarised civilian security forces or if we just want military security forces. If we are sending out security or military to deal with the supernatural, we will have already resorted to dealing with it using the gun option regardless which one we are sending out.
     
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    Oshha said:
    I'm not seeing how it will to be honest. That said, I don't see the security category section as the source of our diplomatic options. To me, that feels more like something that be unlocked by doing a project in Services or Administration or an reaction option to a special event. The merger to me is just whether we want heavily militarised civilian security forces or if we just want military security forces. If we are sending out security or military to deal with the supernatural, we will have already resorted to dealing with it using the gun option regardless which one we are sending out.
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    It feels to me like the Security section is a likely place to get investigation options that aren't military - interaction with national/local police agencies, investigating Sites of Interest in a non-"military occupation" way, etc.
     
    BOTcommander said:
    The nerves are coated in what I can only describe as microscopic diamond rings, up into the brain, which, most surprisingly, is a pure diamond mass filling out the skull cavity, with a piece of it growing out the unicorn's forehead as its "horn". The bullet was able to hit the unicorn at exactly the right angle to cause a fracture in the diamond, explaining the death, but I am not sure I can explain how such a creature can "live" exactly."
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    ...So in other words, that hunter was REALLY LUCKY...
    I suspect there were other hunters that tried to shoot one, didn't get what what likely a nat 100 shoot, and got gored in retaliation...

    [X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
    [X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
    [X] CSCEC: Accept Cooperation
    Seems best to accept them all. As far as the saying no to china, their proposal reads as the least problematic, because they are the only ones that don't mandate us to have them do stuff for us, which is probably precisely because they know they are inherently more suspicious than the others. A.K.A they are giving a better deal with less payout for them because they much rather get something than nothing, so we need to be wary about the other two, whom explicitly want us to get them to do stuff for us. They after all make using their offered 'help' a requirement for the deal, unlike china.

    Edit: Though looking closer, the ASD is less suspicious because they are pushing to 'help' because they badly need work, japan on the other hand...
     
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    [X] Do Not Merge Military and Security Categories
    [X] JPF: Accept Cooperation
    [X] ASD: Accept Cooperation
    [X] CSCEC: Accept Cooperation
     
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