They cannot do that. They have already informed us that they are no longer united with the Amazon forest spirits and that the Amazon forest spirits refuse to connect or speak with the Cairngorms forest spirits and that the Cairngorms forest spirits don't know what motivates the Amazon forest spirits.

:thonk:... Well, what if we ask one of the Cairngorm spirits (or one of the respective) to come with us to South America as an "expert witness" to help us get a scope of the situation there (and I have a feeling they are carious of the state of they siblings as much as us). Even if it doesn't result in a peace talk we at least have some info on the South American spirits.

Also, @BOTcommander could we make multiple requests since we have an improved communications method with the frost spirits.
 
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:thonk:... Well, what if we ask one of the Cairngorm spirits (or one of the respective) to come with us to South America as an "expert witness" to help us get a scope of the situation there (and I have a feeling they are carious of the state of they siblings as much as us). Even if it doesn't result in a peace talk we at least have some info on the South American sports

Also, @BOTcommander could we make multiple requests since we have an improved communications method with the frost spirits.
...It is theoretically possible, though whenever it is even remotely practical is solidly up in the air... 🤔
 
[X]Plan Armoured Wrfare
Infrastructure ( 0/3 Dice, 3/3 Org Dice) +20 [ 3 Admin, 155 Resources]
-[X]Maintenance and Supply Naval Base Expansion
--[X]Southampton (123/180)
---[X] 1 Org Dice (45 Resources) (1 Admin)
-[X] Logistical Port Construction
--[X]South Korea (58/80)
---[X]1 Org Dice (45 Resources) (1 Admin)
-[X] Logistical Airport Construction
--[X]Shanghai, China
---[X]1 Org Dice (65 Resources) (1 Admin)
Industry (0/3 Dice , 3/4 Org Dice ) +22 [3 Admin, 185 Resources]
-[X]Industrial Exoskeleton Deployment
--[X]Industrial Work Teams (0/125)
---[X]2 Org Dice (130 Resources) (2 Admin)
-[X]Megaship Yard Construction (0/150)
--[X]Ullapool (MilHQ)
---[X] 1 Org Dice (55 Resources) (1 Admin)
Service ( 0/3 Dice, 3/2+1 Org Die) +17 [ 3 Admin, 75 Resources]
-[X] Anti-Magic Alloy Development (0/150)
--[X] 2 Org Dice (50 Resources) (2 Admin)
-[X] Recruitment Centres (Stage 2) (42/100)
--[X] 1 Org Dice (25 Resources) (1 Admin)
Orbital (2/2 Org Dice) +16 [ 2 Admin, 210 Resources]
-[X]UNDC Global Positioning Constellation (0/75)
--[X] 1 Org Dice (105 Resources) (1 Admin)
-[X]Orbital Surveillance Constellation (Phase 1) (0/75)
--[X] Dice (105 Resources) (1 Admin)
Military ( 4/4 Dice, 5/4+1 Org Dice ) +34 [12 Admin, 795 Resources]
-[X]Set Up South American Military Bases (0/100)
--[X]3 Dice (90 Resources) (8 Admin)
-[X]Lycain Weaponization Experimental Program (0/100)
--[X] 1 Org Dice (85 Resources) (0 Admin)
-[X]Reactive Armor Deployment Refit (125/250)
--[X] 2 Org Dice (90 Resources) (2 Admin)
-[X]Bradley Deployment (Stage 2 Military Expansion) (107/200)
--[X]1 Org Dice (125 Resources) (1 Admin)
-[X]Leopard 2A7 Deployment (52/250)
--[X] 1 Dice, 1 Org Dice (405 Resources) (1 Admin)
-[X]Submarine Codevelopment Program (0/100)
--[X] 1 DARPA Dice (0 Resources) (0 Admin)
Administration ( 4/4 Dice) +9 [4 Admin]
[X]Convene with Cairngorms Spirits for assistance
-[X] Ask for information about the vampires, their plans, organisation and anything else the spirits might know
--[X] 1 Dice ( 1 Admin)
[X]Decide the fate of the Kemonomimi
--[X]1 Dice (1 Admin)
[X]Suggest a rework of the UNDCs command structure(0/100)
--[X] 2 Dice (2 Admin)



Resources: 1360 (155+185+75+210+795)

Admin Capacity:27
Expenditure: 27 (3+2+3+2+12+4)
Remaining: 0


* Maintenance & Supply Naval Base at Southamptomn to complete a goal and gain +2 CS
* Logistical Port Construction in South Korea to complete the goal of having a port in South Korea, and also to have a port in the North Pacific
* Logistical Aiport in Shanghai in China to complete goals of building an infrastructure project in China and also use CSCEC dice on the project, and also to help accomplish the goal to 'complete 2 projects that infrastructure dice can be used for in Japan and South Korea'
* UNDC Veteran Care Office to complete a goal for a relatively cheap price Anti-Magic Alloy Development because it's one of our goals and, with the way the current threats are going, we're probably going to need it fairly soon.
* Recruitment Centres to complete another goal fairly quickly.
* Set Up South American Bases accomplishes a goal, acts as a gesture to indicate we've still got the South America situation in hand even with Torres getting punted, and BOTcommander confirmed the overflow will go towards the Logistical Ports in Argentina and Brazil, probably completing them. Drop 1 Dice from this to add to Leopard Deployment
* Lycain Weaponization Experimental Program because it's another goal to work towards accomplishing.
* Reactive Armor Deployment Refit is not a goal on its own, but the Army has been pushing for it for ages, and the GLA is deploying heavy weapons against our troops in the Middle East, so it's best to get it done ASAP.
* MRK Deployment to help contribute to our goal of Completing our Grounf Foces objective. Dropped to make room for Leopard Deployment, which is going to be expensive but will get more firepower into the field against the GLA
* DEW Point Defence to complete the existing project Dropped to make room for Bradley Deployment, so we can get more firepower against the GLA
* Submarine Codevelopment Program to develop new and improved submarines as we have confirmation of the existence of sea monsters.
* Industrial Exoskeleton Deployment focusing on Industrial Work Teams to improve the bonus for our Industrial sector. Also one of our goals says we need to use Org dice in each sector each turn, so here it is.
* Start construction of a Megaship Construction Yard so that by the time the Assault Carrier design has been finalised at the end of 2015 we can go straight to starting construction. Also I chose Ullapool rather than Osaka in order to spread our shipbuilding out a bit.
 
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The Other Side…
The Other Side…

It was a beautiful late spring day in Ullapool, relatively at least. The cover of clouds had liften enough to let an idea of the sun shine through and it would not rain today according to the weather reports. Dire-deers and stone bulls grazed on the green plains surrounding the UNDC military headquarters, an expansive and colossal slab of concrete ruining the peaceful coastal landscape.

General Sonya Merin has no eyes for the peaceful landscape as she slumped down into a chair in the General Staff lounge, coffee mug in hands and dark circles under her eyes. Hardtmann, having joined the rest of the General staff to review the recent attacks on their branch offices, looked up from his tablet sitting opposite from here. Wu, quiet and thoughtful as always, was reading a Chinese pocketbook to the side, the aura of the one person missing in the group hanging heavy above the table and none of them dared to look at the empty chair.

"That incompetent idiot." Merin spoke first, teeth clenching.

"Please Sonya, don't grind your teeth." Wu responded, not looking up from his novel. "Also calm down. We have listened to enough of your rants about the Secretary by now."

"But I am mad. That man has the gall to smile and talk about the ideals of the UNDC when he is by far the biggest killer of us all. How many soldiers and civilians died before he gave us SADS?"

"Sonya." Hardtmann sighed.

"Two thousand seven hundred and eighty nine confirmed." She stated. "Nobuo assured us they were doing their best but I don't believe it. The UNDC has a five hundred billion dollar budget. We have as much money as America spends for their armed forces." She took a sip from her mug. "And it appears they spent all that money somehow. But I still have two hundred thousand soldiers without APCs and auxiliary equipment, which means I can't use them, and six hundred thousand peacekeepers without APCs and auxiliary equipment, WHICH LIMITS WHAT WE CAN USE THEM FOR."

Hardtmann sighed. "I presume it's only a limited time until the Shadowmercs and their Masters figure out that our secondary locations and convoy are a lot less armed than our administrative ones."

Wu hummed appreciatively. "Still wondering when I will get those airbases near our active conflict zone."

She looked at them. "Only once it hurts him personally. That man's priority is playing politics to become the Director, because apparently military personnel cannot be trusted." Merin sighed. "I just hope the Councilors see that as well soon. From what I heard, DARPA is not happy that Lycain weaponization has seemingly been postponed to the latest possible moment."

"They are probably happy to get all that free insight into next generation technology." Hardtmann put down his tablet.

She shrugged. "I am no longer in the loop for US top secret activities, but I heard rumors they have already started without the UNDC and just hope to copy some of our notes at a later date."

"Anyway", Wu closed his novel. "Have you already seen the new list of potential candidates to replace Elias."

"I have", Merin snorted. "All either idiots or limited experience. We had good luck with him. Who knows when the Council will even come to a decision."

"Probably not in time for what is happening in Iraq. We will have to take care of the matter one man down."

"Well, if the situation escalates too much, we might just get him back." Hardtmann pointed out. "Reinstating Torres might be less of a hurdle than figuring out someone new."

Merin frowned. "I doubt it."

"It's the United Nations Security Council. They can do basically whatever they want."
 
Well considering we spent a lot of our money on bases we had no use for aside from garnering support, and maxed out our fuel path for some reason. I don't blame them for being pissed.
 
Some of the generals' criticisms are well-taken (e.g. lack of airbases in the theater of war, lack of adequate air defenses). Others...

"Two thousand seven hundred and eighty nine confirmed." She stated. "Nobuo assured us they were doing their best but I don't believe it. The UNDC has a five hundred billion dollar budget. We have as much money as America spends for their armed forces." She took a sip from her mug. "And it appears they spent all that money somehow. But I still have two hundred thousand soldiers without APCs and auxiliary equipment, which means I can't use them, and six hundred thousand peacekeepers without APCs and auxiliary equipment, WHICH LIMITS WHAT WE CAN USE THEM FOR."
Lady, the US military spent decades building up its equipment pool to achieve its current state of military mobilization, and relied heavily on world war era surplus created in the context of gigantic mass production enterprises built on something close to a command economy.

The military you're a part of has only existed for about five years, and had to source all its arms in that amount of time. Equipping a million soldiers is not a quick job, especially when you don't have pre-existing contacts with arms manufacturers and pre-existing depots carrying previous-generation equipment for your million man army.

Having a gigantic cash budget does not directly translate into having a pile of weaponry, until and unless the weapons in question can be manufactured.

Well considering we spent a lot of our money on bases we had no use for aside from garnering support, and maxed out our fuel path for some reason. I don't blame them for being pissed.
I think to some extent we are in effect greatly overprepared for global conflict to the extent that we've been neglecting the actual ongoing conflict in the Middle East.
 
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So something of a quick analysis here. First of all, it is the other side, but that makes it just as biased as our perspective if not more so. For starters, Merin's 'Adverse to Politics' trait is on full display here. She calls out Sokolov has pushing to remove Torres because of politics due to his angling to become Director, but the opposite is true as Sokolov pushing to remove Torres has hurt his chances of becoming Director and the political choice would have been to leave the matter alone. Not to mention that Sokolov was going to leave the matter alone until General Raymond convinced Sokolov to pursue it. Claiming Sokolov pushed for Torres' removal because he doesn't think the military can be trusted falls flat when it was Sokolov trusting a member of the military that led to him taking that course of action. So while our general staff might be united in supporting Torres and being upset with Sokolov's actions, we had an American general like Merin herself who pushed for Torres' removal. So while this is the perspective of our general staff and it is important to consider, it is also important to remember that this isn't the perspective of our entire military and our senior military leadership has not been united on the issue of Torres.

Additionally, the idea that Sokolov got people killed by not doing SADS soon enough is Merin refusing to take responsibility. She was the one who didn't inform us of its importance and just expected us to know it was a high priority and that situation was only resolved because Sokolov noticed the lack of communication between the treasury and military on what the military needed. Merin likes to complain, but she was equally at fault for the situation as Sokolov was if not more so and unlike Sokolov, she didn't take any measure to resolve situation. She might have a point about a lack of deployment, but complaining that we didn't do the things she refused to tell us were a priority is on her.

Third, Merin's complaining about the budget ignores that fact that the military is taking a second priority to the security forces, something that was pushed by Hardtmann not Sokolov, and that while we might have a budget akin to the US military, we are not just the military. We have to pay for infrastructure, industry, research and all that supportive stuff. Not to mention how much we have had to spend on the navy thanks to Nobou's goals for this plans. If we hadn't had to spend so much on the navy, we should have gotten more of the army deployments done by now. We had to spent plenty of money on researching the supernatural, sorting out our logistics and supply chains. Having more APCs and guns is not use if you lack the logistics to get them to where they are needed or to have the parts and facilities needed to keep them maintenance so they don't begun useless when they first break down.

Finally, we aren't just limited by the budget though I am not sure what the in-game explanation for the dice is. We only have so many dice to spend and for all that Merin is complaining about us not spending enough on the military, we have consistently been activating all of our military dice each turn. Not to mention that we have been doing multiple deployments each turn on top of other things such as the naval goals imposed on us by Nobou or the sorting out the ammo supply chain. She complains about us not spending enough, but we have consistently spending what we can on the military and prioritising it over every other department to the point we have probably spent more on military than we have the next two departments combined.

That said, they aren't completely without a point even if Merin is tunnel-visioning on her part of the UNDC and ignoring the rest of it. We do need to get more deployments done, but it just isn't something that can be magically resolved by throwing more money at it as dice are just as much of a restraint right now as resources. As I mentioned above, we have been doing multiple deployments each turn and unfortunately, it isn't a case of us not doing our best, but our best just not being good enough.

Hardtmann has a point about secondary locations and convoys being underdefended, but I doubt that the vampires and the shadowmercs will hit those. The GLA would for sure, but the vampires seem to be more interested in precision strikes to fulfil specific goals rather than whittling down our strength or trying to defeat us in open conflict like GLA are. So they are a concern, but I am more worried about GLA hitting them than the mercenaries. I also want to know what airbases Wu is talking about because I have no idea what those are. It might be another case of the general staff assuming that we should know what they need rather than telling us what we need.

They also have a point about DARPA and the Lycain weaponisation as we have been putting that off in comparison to our other commitments to other organisations. We should get around to doing that sooner rather than latter.

In summary, they have some valid points, but a lot of it, mostly Merin, is complaining that we are constrained by logistics and reality rather than being able to magically do what is needed and making up excuses to blame Sokolov and Nobou rather than taking responsibility for the general staff's faults. Merin is either incompetent outside of leading troops or she just wants to blame Sokolov for everything and is retroactively looking for reasons to come to that conclusion rather than looking at the facts and coming to that conclusion.

I have some more respect for Wu and Hardtmann after this, but my respect for Merin has taken a nosedive because she is ignoring the facts and trying to blame everything on Sokolov rather than admitting that she might be at fault, Torres might have been in the wrong or that there is no magical solution to fix things or that maybe, just maybe that might be more to the UNDC than just its military divisions or those pesky things such as supernatural research or logistics might be important.

Well considering we spent a lot of our money on bases we had no use for aside from garnering support, and maxed out our fuel path for some reason. I don't blame them for being pissed.
Yeah, this is just plain wrong. None of our bases have no use beyond politics and all of them are useful to the UNDC. As for fuel, we need it for all of our plans, boats, tanks and pretty much all of vehicles. Buying vehicles is useful if you have no fuel for them to run on.

Lady, the US military spent decades building up its equipment pool to achieve its current state of military mobilization, and relied heavily on world war era surplus created in the context of gigantic mass production enterprises built on something close to a command economy.

The military you're a part of has only existed for about five years, and had to source all its arms in that amount of time. Equipping a million soldiers is not a quick job, especially when you don't have pre-existing contacts with arms manufacturers and pre-existing depots carrying previous-generation equipment for your million man army.
Not to mention that we have been actively spending on the military and have been consistently activating all of our military dice each turn. Merin seems to think that we can just magically fix things by throwing more money at the problem or that we can afford to exclusive spend our budget on the military and ignore things like infrastructure, industry and research into the supernatural.

I think to some extent we are in effect greatly overprepared for global conflict to the extent that we've been neglecting the actual ongoing conflict in the Middle East.
Less that we have been neglecting the Middle East in favour of doing the other aspect of our jobs. Handling the GLA and the Middle East would be a full time job for the UNDC. Meanwhile we need to consider things such as the forest spirits (friendly and hostile), the werewolves, the vampires, the demons and the supernatural in general. Merin has a point that the current situation isn't acceptable, but she seems to think that Sokolov can magically make things better by throwing more money at the problem.
 
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However, rather than shifting old equipment down and into the hands of reserve troops, the UNDC destroyed hundreds of thousands of pieces of infantry equipment. That is a valid complaint on Merin's part, we'd have far more troops in the field able and effective if the UNDC didn't do that.
 
However, rather than shifting old equipment down and into the hands of reserve troops, the UNDC destroyed hundreds of thousands of pieces of infantry equipment. That is a valid complaint on Merin's part, we'd have far more troops in the field able and effective if the UNDC didn't do that.
That's because of quest mechanics. She is not to blame. You wont get around to do some of the deployments for the MilExpansion before it can be used.
 
It would have been nice if they were a bit more communicative about what they wanted and where instead of complaining about stuff they never told us.
We probably should see about setting up something to try and keep full communication between the various important groups, so they, and by extension us, will be more aware of the situation and what needs prioritizing.
We might want to start thinking of a place for an airport within the middle-east as well. 🤔
 
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It is hard to tell from the text what is urgent and needs to be prioritised from what is nice, but can wait if we have better things to do right now.
 
Third, Merin's complaining about the budget ignores that fact that the military is taking a second priority to the security forces, something that was pushed by Hardtmann not Sokolov, and that while we might have a budget akin to the US military, we are not just the military. We have to pay for infrastructure, industry, research and all that supportive stuff.
Point of order:

DoD, the US's "military budget," does pay for a lot of that stuff, at least insofar as it directly impacts the military.

That said, they aren't completely without a point even if Merin is tunnel-visioning on her part of the UNDC and ignoring the rest of it. We do need to get more deployments done, but it just isn't something that can be magically resolved by throwing more money at it as dice are just as much of a restraint right now as resources.
To be fair, we could spend more money on ground equipment deployments... in the form of building more factories, which in turn means we spend more cash but fewer dice to get the same amount of stuff deployed.

I mean, that's mechanically how it seems to work.

Yeah, this is just plain wrong. None of our bases have no use beyond politics and all of them are useful to the UNDC. As for fuel, we need it for all of our plans, boats, tanks and pretty much all of vehicles. Buying vehicles is useful if you have no fuel for them to run on.
The thing is, I'm pretty sure we don't need to manufacture all our fuel in UNDC-controlled facilities just to have fuel. Our military was operating even when we were at the negatives in fuel, wasn't it? Presumably we have some capacity to just... buy fuel, like other militaries do, rather than having to run our own big oil refineries to crack it out of the raw crude.
 
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