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Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust (RWBY AU/CKII Villain Quest)

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Always Late said:
Er... didn't Redshirt say we had to involve her at some points?
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We might have involved her with things like studing Grimm-Dust relation, I think, or at least shared the results. But there's a difference between summoning Grimm for studies and going on a murder rampage. If @Redshirt Army would like to confirm that she's aware of those little exploits of ours, and that Krom knows that she knows?

Always Late said:
I was about to say: You're implying she'd ever reach that point Muer'ci. Plus, given her loyalty can now never be anything less than maximum, we'd have to do something to remove that condition before she'd do anything against us.
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I am implying that she might reach that point, yeah. You clearly disagree, and that's fine, but you're not convincing me I'm wrong, either.

Pointing to the Evil Overlord list is nice and all, but that argument would've held more weight if Usagi wasn't treated like she can do no wrong, ever. She's way too alive for that attitude.
 
Ivan the Not-so-Terrible said:
The Atlesian and Vacuoan ones, at least. Mistral knows we know they know we're Krom, and probably won't fall for it.
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Redshirt Army said:
But do they know that you know that they know that you know that they know what's going on? :V
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Correction, Silica Fall likely knows we are Krom, but she has no real reason to tell anyone in Mistral who we really are. The rest of Mistral has no real idea who we are, to them we are just an agent of the Vale Intelligence agency.

Redshirt Army said:
I'm really looking forward to Mistralquest, if and when it gets made.
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I am also really looking forward to that.
 
Muer'ci said:
We might have involved her with things like studing Grimm-Dust relation, I think, or at least shared the results. But there's a difference between summoning Grimm for studies and going on a murder rampage. If @Redshirt Army would like to confirm that she's aware of those little exploits of ours, and that Krom knows that she knows?
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To the best of your knowledge, Usagi doesn't know about your little experimentation spree. If she did, you'd expect her to confront you over it. She does know you're studying those note... but to be fair, so is she.

I am implying that she might reach that point, yeah. You clearly disagree, and that's fine, but you're not convincing me I'm wrong, either.

Pointing to the Evil Overlord list is nice and all, but that argument would've held more weight if Usagi wasn't treated like she can do no wrong, ever. She's way too alive for that attitude.
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And yes, Usagi's goals don't necessarily perfectly align with yours. She has your wellbeing as a much higher priority than you do, for example. :V
 
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Redshirt Army said:
But do they know that you know that they know that you know that they know what's going on? :V

I'm really looking forward to Mistralquest, if and when it gets made.
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I'm still not sure what to make of Mistral. On the one hand, they managed to get the Maidens to a conference, might have figured us out if it wasn't for Vale's incompetent intelligence services, managed a massive land reclamation project, stopped using the CCT when we tried to figure them out, and have some huge mystery project that requires specialized Spacial Dust.
Redshirt Army said:
Ivan the Not-so-Terrible said:
What was Чорнобильська?
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A containment breach which occured as a result of a critical failure on research to produce long term spacial folds - aka permanent portal gates.

A number of researchers were killed, and the Grimm attracted to the area have exhibited unusual properties and abilities, mainly involving teleportation.
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On the other hand: Black Mesa.

As far as we know, they might just be really good at covering up their failures.
 
Muer'ci said:
Pointing to the Evil Overlord list is nice and all, but that argument would've held more weight if Usagi wasn't treated like she can do no wrong, ever. She's way too alive for that attitude.
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Dude, if that's the impression you got, you really misread my post. The entire point of that entry is that you never fully trust anybody. You point has always been that because she 'knows too much', we can't trust her because she'll run to our enemies, and anyone we can't trust must be executed. I'm pointing out how much you're completely missing the point on all accounts. You can, and in this case should, not trust a totally loyal lieutenant when you're evil. And we just got confirmation that Usagi will not help our enemies because she's fervently loyal unless we screw up.
Look Muer'ci, when the QM says you're wrong, it's time to give it up.
Redshirt Army said:
And yes, Usagi's goal don't necessarily perfectly align with yours.
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But there's also maximum loyalty, so any misalignments are not as much a problem as some would make them out to be.
 
Always Late said:
Dude, if that's the impression you got, you really misread my post. The entire point of that entry is that you never fully trust anybody. You point has always been that because she 'knows too much', we can't trust her because she'll run to our enemies, and anyone we can't trust must be executed. I'm pointing out how much you're completely missing the point on all accounts. You can, and in this case should, not trust a totally loyal lieutenant when you're evil. And we just got confirmation that Usagi will not help our enemies because she's fervently loyal unless we screw up.
Look Muer'ci, when the QM says you're wrong, it's time to give it up.
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Redshirt Army said:
To the best of your knowledge, Usagi doesn't know about your little experimentation spree. If she did, you'd expect her to confront you over it. She does know you're studying those note... but to be fair, so is she.

And yes, Usagi's goals don't necessarily perfectly align with yours. She has your wellbeing as a much higher priority than you do, for example. :V
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We're obviously taking different things from QM's post. Though again, if Red want to tell me that I'm wrong, in plaintext, I'm all ears.

And Usagi tattling on us for our own good is only one possibility. Consider that anyone trying to investigate Cherise (like in those nega-omakes) will likely go after the one person that's close to us who is not a huntress. With the kind of things she both knows and suspects, that'd be a disaster, and don't tell me there aren't ways to make her talk, and maybe even make her forget about it afterwards.

My point is not, and never has been, "kill everyone who can't be trusted" because that's not practical, among other things. But Usagi is a hell of a weak point, and Krom doesn't even know it, and you're saying that everything is fine because Usagi totes likes us, so what could possibly go wrong.

And yes, I'm well aware that Krom can't act on the info that's OOC, but you dismissing my concern is hella grating. Because the problem is not "she can't be trusted". The problem is "she knows too much" and no amount of loyalty will fix it.
 
Macnia said:
I'd like to breed that trait out of the species.
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Macnia said:
It doesn't have to be eugenics
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Well, considering the very thing your proposing is eugenics by its very definition, that's a bit of a tall order.
Macnia said:
we could research the biosciences to make a retrovirus that can remove it, or something else that's reasonably palatable.
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You're confusing methods by which eugenics is carried out with the thing itself... or are attempting to deceive us into believing such.
Now, I do not think what you're posting violates Rule 2, which IIRC has been invoked on topics of eugenics before, but it's toeing the line and others might find it crosses it all together.
I politely suggest that... you not pursue that line of thought further.

Muer'ci said:
We're obviously taking different things from QM's post.
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That might have something to do with you looking at the wrong post.

Muer'ci said:
And Usagi tattling on us for our own good is only one possibility. Consider that anyone trying to investigate Cherise (like in those nega-omakes) will likely go after the one person that's close to us who is not a huntress. With the kind of things she both knows and suspects, that'd be a disaster, and don't tell me there aren't ways to make her talk, and maybe even make her forget about it afterwards.
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Well, if you actually have proof of such methods maybe that would be taken a bit more seriously. But as you've never taken the opportunity to ask Redshirt about that...
Muer'ci said:
My point is not, and never has been, "kill everyone who can't be trusted" because that's not practical, among other things.
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Aaaaaand you're lying through your teeth.
Muer'ci said:
Tempted to kill her and replace with a summon, and to hell with the third stage of her semblance. She's that much of a security risk, now.
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Muer'ci said:
And yes, I'm well aware that Krom can't act on the info that's OOC, but you dismissing my concern is hella grating. Because the problem is not "she can't be trusted". The problem is "she knows too much" and no amount of loyalty will fix it.
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I'd acknowledge your concern if you had any concrete evidence for her possessing the knowledge being an issue. As it currently stands, any attempt by Usagi to act against us would require us players doing something to lose that 'maximum loyalty always' trait. In other words, a self-fulfilling prophesy. I am not inclined to take you seriously when you stubbornly ignore facts of a situation which contradict your personal moral code.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Statistics
Martial: 22 + 5 + 5 + 2 + 5 + 3 + 2 = 44
Diplomacy: 16 + 2 + 3 = 21
Stewardship: 18 + 2 + 5 = 25
Intrigue: 17 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 31
Learning: 22 + 8 + 2 + 6 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 3 + 3 = 53
Piety: 30 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 3 + 2 = 79
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Could someone please clarify how stats work with the rolls? I'm not really used to quests with CKII mechanics, so I feel like I'm missing something. Why do we only get +5 to Diplomacy rolls? Where does the 16 come from and when does it apply to rolls?
 
Ashmaker said:
Could someone please clarify how stats work with the rolls? I'm not really used to quests with CKII mechanics, so I feel like I'm missing something. Why do we only get +5 to Diplomacy rolls? Where does the 16 come from and when does it apply to rolls?
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16 is the base stat, 21 is what we get after all the trait bonuses are applied.

The bonus in A2D2 is (total stat-10)/2. So for Diplo it's (21-10)/2=5.5, rounded down, apparently.
 
Redshirt Army

How exactly did Mistral's part of the anti royalist's revolution go considering Silica's faction is still a major part of the their politics? Did they simply switch sides when the royalists were going to lose in return for considerations?
 
I would note that in the Royalist section of the update, it said that most of the names are crossed out, not all. So we can still create a Royalist network...
 
zup said:
Jaune? He will be our greatest weapon! Provided we ensure he is on the enemies' side.
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No. Hell be ours. Grand pappy arc here clearly never passed down his badass for dying young.

Jaune was going from zero to hero in like a year. Still trailing but her was working with child prodigies training from their youth, with ex prodigy parents, money, or live combat.

Jaune training by God momma Krom and grandpa would be a monster.
 
Larekko12 said:
No. Hell be ours. Grand pappy arc here clearly never passed down his badass for dying young.

Jaune was going from zero to hero in like a year. Still trailing but her was working with child prodigies training from their youth, with ex prodigy parents, money, or live combat.

Jaune training by God momma Krom and grandpa would be a monster.
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But he's fundamentally a hero. Omnicide will never, ever be his cup of tea.

Also he's not going to exist, so we're just speaking hypothetically anyways...
 
chocolote12 said:
But he's fundamentally a hero. Omnicide will never, ever be his cup of tea.

Also he's not going to exist, so we're just speaking hypothetically anyways...
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Eh. We got usagi. AND that is decades of bouncing baby faunus amd arc letter and meditation and posit I've contributions to humanity.


Weay be back to wanting a global and instellar hegemony and destroys the power base of everyone who got our family killed while making them look like jokes.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Beacon: Shattered Ziggarut
Ah, yes. Vacuo still have not discovered just how important these ruins might be, offering them to Vale's archeology department so freely, nestled amongst a list of Tier 3 sites. You... you know better. One of the only known resting places of the Silver Eyed Warriors, this ruin is an invaluable opportunity. The more you delay, the greater the chance your prize will be denied. Success on: 10/50/90. Rewards: Knowledge, Ancient Artifacts, ???.
1 (Rolled) + 15 (Omake) + 31 (Piety) = 47
38 (Rolled) + 47 (Critical Failure Recovery) = 85

85 < 100, Insufficient.
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Redshirt Army said:
Reaching Out
With your recent actions, you've spurred anti-Royalist sentiment and screening back into action - but you've also likely galvanized those that remain dedicated to the cause. Act quickly, and snatch them up now - or lose potential allies forever, as the new kingdoms redouble their efforts to stamp them out. Success on: 50/80/90. Rewards: Establish ties with foreign anti-establishment groups. New actions available outside of Vale. ???.
27 (Rolled) + 5 (Diplomacy) + 15 (Omake) = 47

Failure.
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Did anyone else notice that my +15 bonuses are apparently cursed?

Personally, I blame Vacuo.
Redshirt Army said:
External Pressure
Mistral has attempted to deny your company entry, but they've done it in a clumsy and foolish way, ripe for exploitation. Teach your opponents why attempting to bar your way will only lead to worse consequences, and obtain control over another kingdoms Faunus population. Cost: 50 Upkeep: 0 Success on: 10/40/70 Rewards: Greatly increased influence in Mistral. Increased influence with Mistral Faunus. Increased reputation worldwide. Increased production capacity. +120 income.
10 (Rolled) + 7 (Stewardship) + 10 (Omake) = 27
Partial Success.
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Redshirt Army said:
Cool and Shady
Shade Academy needs teachers. Team HERO, including the tragically injured Ozpin, remain on tap to begin teaching once the Academy completes construction (scheduled for this year), but they're hardly the only candidates. Have a look at who else might be willing to teach - and while you're at it, scout Vacuo for talent that might be of use to you, personally, as well. Success on: 20/40/60 Rewards: Increased influence and control over Shade Academy. Increased reputation with Shade Academy and Vacuo. Potential recruitment?
80 (Rolled) + 5 (Diplomacy) + 10 (Omake) = 95
Major Success!
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At least we avoided an outright failure in Mistral.
 
Redshirt Army said:
And yes, Usagi's goals don't necessarily perfectly align with yours. She has your wellbeing as a much higher priority than you do, for example. :V
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In other words, she will support us taking over the world, but would interfere with us doing things like permanently maim ourself for power or destroying ourself with the world, but not to the extent of harming us as a result.

Thats very nearly ideal in a minion
 
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