But if the mantle is transferred by killing the holder, and Krom's mom was a maiden, Krom should be a maiden after killing her mom, no?
The transfer is, primarily, to the girl who is in the last thoughts of the Maiden. This may be the person who killed the maiden, or it may be of, say, the Maiden's daughter.
I confess, I don't like the "Krom is closely related to winter " theory, because I'd prefer if our achievements were our own, but I also don't see any evidence for it, besides the dubious "well, first WM gave us the gem Mantle Queens have been wearing in the crown so mom must be a maiden."
I fail to see how Krom's family including a Winter Maiden diminishes her own achievements. We do not have, or haven't been able to use, the Winter Maiden's mantle, and the crown recognized us based on our soul as a Royal.
 
Remember how I said I had a pile of Omake ideas? I may have started working on one, and I've got a couple continuations of this one outlined already so they might be coming out in the next couple of days as well.
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Usagi wasn't even embarrassed at how her rabbit ears flopped up and down as she nodded her head and tried to keep herself from hopping up and down. Of course she'd be happy to work with Miss Cheshire, whatever she wanted or needed done Usagi Misuno was hers to the end!

Turn 9 Part 1


As for you... you have the fortune to be able to cheat. After all, your Aura would hardly reject flesh formed of your own Semblance, right? It takes Usagi's help, but ultimately, the implantation is a total success. It's not perfect, but as long as your Aura doesn't break, it'll be just about impossible to tell that you've lost your eye - and your vision has been restored.

Reward: "Blind Fighter" Trait. "Precise Control" Trait. Suspicion avoided. Basic, civilian level prosthetics brought to market, greatly surpassing existing solutions. Huntsman Grade artificial limbs require improved materials science, research begun. Research begun on biological tissue reconstruction. Summoning progresses towards "Inhuman". Ghostly Eye equipped.


You know, I think we are in line for some more omakes about Usagi Misuno.

After all Usagi probably knows nearly everything about us now, as we needed a replacement left eye and everyone knows that the Miss Freeze/MCT lost her left eye.
 
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The transfer is, primarily, to the girl who is in the last thoughts of the Maiden. This may be the person who killed the maiden, or it may be of, say, the Maiden's daughter.
Well, Krom isn't WM (and someone else was+is) so unless you're implying the Queen had other daughters on the side...

I fail to see how Krom's family including a Winter Maiden diminishes her own achievements. We do not have, or haven't been able to use, the Winter Maiden's mantle, and the crown recognized us based on our soul as a Royal.
I said closely related. I don't care if we have some maiden blood in our family tree, it's the mom theory in particular that bothers me, because I see no satisfactory support to it, and it seems to hold no meaning beyond making Krom more of a special snowflake. It diminishes Krom's achievements in my eyes because it makes her less 'her own person' and more 'some person's daughter'.

That is, of course, a personal opinion and should be treated as such.

Except for the evidence part. I try to remain objective despite personal bias, so I like to think that I'll change my mind if presented with enough proof to do so. I'm just not seeing any, yet.

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seems to hold no meaning beyond making Krom more of a special snowflake
Actually, wait, it also needs to be true to lend some plausibility to "mom's friends who are maidens used to visit us but Krom forgot" theory.

Which is basically another guess that has no evidence to support it, but it needs to be right for the "maidens recognized our soul from meeting us before" theory.

Yeah, I'm not thrilled by this trail of guesswork.
 
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Well, Krom isn't WM (and someone else was+is) so unless you're implying the Queen had other daughters on the side...
That was more on correcting the incorrect statement on how the Mantle transferred worked than claiming Krom's the Winter Maiden. It's by last thoughts and a young woman than strictly killing the Maiden.
 
Page 100 Bonus Omake by Redshirt Army (Canon) (Q&A Session)


She was concerned.

She'd realized, very early on, that Miss Cheshire was driven by something out of her past. She'd seen the woman focus on her goals with unsettling intensity, and She drove herself harder then Usagi had ever seen, ever even thought was possible. And she'd tried to help, where she could - she tidied up Miss Cheshire's office, when She'd passed out from a weeks worth of sleepless nights. She'd created reports and filed papers and performed research, all to try and reduce her mentors workload, and it was never enough. The moment any slack appeared in her schedule, She just filled it with yet more projects! It was insane!

But... but... it was working, was the thing. In Vale, protection and prosperity, military strength and research and medicine and social services and so many other things, and they were all improving, all being rebuilt and revitalized after the War, and it was in large part in thanks to Her. Even Usagi had gained some residual recognition, just from being in Her vicinity - in academic circles, she was recognized as the originator of mecha-shift technology. She, a Faunus, had her name spoken by professors and lecturers!

And Usagi had suspected, become all but certain, as she quietly assisted her mentor however she could, and slowly, somehow, worked her way into the position of being the only one that Miss Cheshire ever let her guard down around, but it was the documents that She gave her on the war, drafted in Her own hand, that all but confirmed it.

With human turning against human, spreading fear and hatred, with the weapons and armies meant for the Grimm occupied fighting each other in distant lands, with the "Great Kingdoms" focusing on each other, and the hinterlands left to fend for themselves... The greatest death tolls of the war didn't come from any of the Great Battles that her other books talked about.

El-Secreti, considered to be the next region that might rise to be a Great Kingdom, overrun almost to the last. Nearly two hundred thousand killed, as promised support from Mistral never arrived. Bylanda. Terennes. Meiscovo. Brahva. Grandi. Midherscht. Four points of light, slamming into one another, as the rest of the world trembled under a flood of black.

It was difficult to gather true statistics, with the bulk of casualties taking place so far from the centres of learning where bookkeeping took place, but conservative estimates put the death toll at over 9% of the global population.

The reign before... she had little personal experience of. Certainly, the Faunus were treated no better - any rights they managed to obtain since the transition would certainly not have been afforded to them if the Revolution had not happened... right? And yet...

The former Princess of Mantle. That's who her mentor was. And it made it so much harder, to look at the stories of the Royal Families and their disdain for everyone beneath them (and especially the lowest of the low, the Faunus, was the subtext, the thing that brought the Faunus out in droves to fight for revolution). She wasn't naive. She could see how the Princess had used dissatisfaction amongst the Faunus to gain a base of support. But it was in Her eyes. She didn't see Faunus as any different from anyone else, she chose her to be her student, her protégé.

And she couldn't help but wonder, what would have happened if her mentor had become Queen? What would She have done? For the World, for the Faunus? And somehow, she couldn't see the answer as being bad.

But now... Miss Cheshire was broken inside. She was like broken glass, sharp thoughts that hurt Herself almost as much as they hurt others, wrapped up in guilt and hate and then smothered and hidden away. She did what she could, and hoped She would get better. The world would be a lot brighter if She did.

But for now... she looked at the Jewel of Winter, and sighed. So much pain spread, so much loss, and yet regaining this had hardly seemed to make her mentor happier. It was silly - what good was power, if you just spread the hurt you felt to others with it? She turned it over, examining another facet, and comparing the intricate etchings to the notes she'd taken on the Dragon ritual - notes on how to oppose it, notes on how to prevent it, notes on how to reverse it.

She'd show her mentor that happiness could hold more power then sadness, that this wasn't the only path. No matter what it took!
 
And the omake reward is a Q&A session. I will factually answer the first five questions asked in the thread. These can be about absolutely anything related to the quest.
Just get to 300 effective Martial and you, too, can recreate the Moonshatter event!
You've confirmed that it would take 300 effective Martial to recreate the Moonshatter event.

What would it take to reverse it?
 
And the omake reward is a Q&A session. I will factually answer the first five questions asked in the thread. These can be about absolutely anything related to the quest.
Do the Maidens have any special powers to see into souls or minds besides what their individual Semblances might allow and if how precise would those be?

Basically if we have a chance to hide our nature, true Semblance and Grimm-connection.
 
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You've confirmed that it would take 300 effective Martial to recreate the Moonshatter event.

What would it take to reverse it?

The assistance of the Silver Eyed Warriors.

Does it have to be willing assistance? Would a Semblance Aura Ghost be sufficient?

I'm feeling generous:

It theoretically doesn't have to be willing assistance, but reversing the Moonshatter Event is something that they would willingly assist you with, if you convinced them you were honest in your intentions.

Do the Maidens have any special powers to see into souls or minds besides what their individual Semblances might allow and if how precise would those be?

Basically if we have a chance to hide our nature, true Semblance and Grimm-connection.

Not intrinsically, but seasonal miracles can take many forms. If a Maiden had such an ability, it would be as part of a specialized miracle, and would be appropriately powerful.

Can Krom get all the maiden powers for herself?

Not without sufficient skill at magic to modify the basic functionality of those powers.

Where are the current Rose Family located?

Patch.

...You still don't know this in-character.

What was Чорнобильська?

A containment breach which occured as a result of a critical failure on research to produce long term spacial folds - aka permanent portal gates.

A number of researchers were killed, and the Grimm attracted to the area have exhibited unusual properties and abilities, mainly involving teleportation.

And that's five questions!
 
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The assistance of the Silver Eyed Warriors.
Interesting. Very interesting.

I assume we're limited to one question per person, so I won't ask about what Mistral actually did here:
Чорнобильська (Mistral)
Details are scare, but an incident of some sort appears to have occurred in the far southern reaches of Anima. Mistral's authorities have quarantined a relatively small region in the area, evacuating all residents. While no official explanation has been released, some eyewitness accounts claim that a massive detonation of some kind occured.

[Rolled ??? Piety]
Someone else can do it if they want, it's one of the big unresolved mysteries right now.

We've already decided to go for the Moonshot, Part 1 the next turn, so asking about the Kingdoms progress in the space race shouldn't be that big of a priority. It's still an option.
 
What was Чорнобильська?

A containment breach which occured as a result of a critical failure on research to produce long term spacial folds - aka permanent portal gates.

A number of researchers were killed, and the Grimm attracted to the area have exhibited unusual properties and abilities, mainly involving teleportation.

And that's five questions!
 
But for now... she looked at the Jewel of Winter, and sighed. So much pain spread, so much loss, and yet regaining this had hardly seemed to make her mentor happier. It was silly - what good was power, if you just spread the hurt you felt to others with it? She turned it over, examining another facet, and comparing the intricate etchings to the notes she'd taken on the Dragon ritual - notes on how to oppose it, notes on how to prevent it, notes on how to reverse it.

A minion who acts on her own initiative is good, but it's a shame she's secretly planning how to act against us. Looks like she needs to be turned properly to the dark side.

Notes on reversing the Dragon Ritual, could be useful, as we could turn into a Dragon Grimm and then (hopefully) turn back into a human, afterwards.
 
And that's five questions!
You've already answered five questions, but I was hoping you would clarify something.
You've confirmed that it would take 300 effective Martial to recreate the Moonshatter event.

What would it take to reverse it?
The assistance of the Silver Eyed Warriors.
Does it have to be willing assistance? Would a Semblance Aura Ghost be sufficient?
 
Nobody wants to comment on the Sailor Scout expy fiddling with the tiara with an inlaid gem that matches her color coding? :V

I mean, nothing's going to happen, the crown's bonded to you as firmly as can be, but still...
 
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