Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust (RWBY AU/CKII Villain Quest)

[Monotov]

They'd tell you the only truth is the truth of an individual perspective.

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No. They are wrong. Empirical, absolute truth exists. Humans just have trouble dealing with that. People can have a truth, but it isn't The Truth. We have to live with out perceptions, but the world has no obligation to fit them.

And Cinderella's stepsisters were mutilated.

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A much better ending than he modern one. Birds are wonderful.

I've found that the endings of stories tend to come in batches at different times. For decades we had all happy endings, now that arc is bending away from them again. People modify the same stories to suit their views, at this point most have so many iterations we have no idea what the original was like.

 

[GardenerBriareus]

And Cinderella's stepsisters were mutilated.

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I mean, the version I read as a child had them desperately cutting off toes and heels to try and make the glass slipper fit, and when that failed and they went to church to try and find absolution, their eyes were pecked out of their skulls by doves.

My experience with fairy tales is that whether it works out for the main character or not is very much an uncertain prospect.

 

[Always Late]

No. They are wrong. Empirical, absolute truth exists. Humans just have trouble dealing with that. People can have a truth, but it isn't The Truth. We have to live with out perceptions, but the world has no obligation to fit them.

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Congratulations, you've stated you disagree with postmodernist historians, then follow up with a statement they'd be right at home with.

 

[Monotov]

Congratulations, you've stated you disagree with postmodernist historians, then follow up with a statement they'd be right at home with.

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Then I think you miss my point, there is empirical history, and even if we don't know it, it is still the real history. It does not change, and cannot be revised. If you think it can, that is a delusion. There is something that really happened, is that truth is more valuable than our perceptions thereof, even if we don't know what that truth is and act on perceptions. Our inability to interact with true history doesn't devalue it, it just shows our own inadequacies. This postmodernist view is bullshit. History has a point, as it has truth, and it is not what we make of it, because we don't have any ability to effect the empirical truth of it. I would agree history is for now inaccessible, but that doesn't make what we put in place of it valuable. We don't get to decide that, even if it makes living life hard as fuck.

 

[strauss]

History is driven by what is reality, how people attempt to change reality in response and reactions to that ad infinitum. Yet there is a difference between the first and the other two as people don't act based on what happened, people act based on what they think happened. Therefore real history must include people's perception of truth because even if 'made-up' it has impact on reality, thus exists.

So I hold that both "History is what we make of it" and "Real history and objective truths exist" are both true and are simply talking about different things; with our incapability(and unwillingness) to understand the latter creating the former as part of it.

As for attributing value the question is; how do you measure value? If something arbitrarily created has major impact with many events that can be directly traced to it, what does that make it worth? If something is barely ever interacting with anything else, what does that make it worth? I feel it depends entirely on how you define 'value' and, as such, while it may or may not matter it can't be a fact.