An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%

  • Total voters
    850
Bit of a question: IF I were to do a totally not!North Wind encounter would it be funnier if it were

A) A group of elite specialists from another 21st chapter who look upon the B-Team with Big Sisterly affection/condescension
OR
B) A similar group from the Spacewolves with the wrong idea of what being part of the "girl legion" means?
 
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So, would it be possible to create a Level 10 Death Crystal... without it instantly killing us?
I am just assuming it would. A death crystal would be potent however.

When are we planning on trying to give more grammer/depth to the rune system to help us bring it to the level of complexity that we can start making a spoken tongue?
 
When are we planning on trying to give more grammer/depth to the rune system to help us bring it to the level of complexity that we can start making a spoken tongue?
I've been pushing for it for a while and I think we're starting down that path next turn as we begin work on the Rune Library which should allow us to begin taking further steps towards creating a runic language.
 
So, would it be possible to create a Level 10 Death Crystal... without it instantly killing us?
I am just assuming it would. A death crystal would be potent however.

When are we planning on trying to give more grammer/depth to the rune system to help us bring it to the level of complexity that we can start making a spoken tongue?

I'm thinking that a death crystal would be one of those advanced crystals that needs to be made in tandem with its opposite of life.

Also we should also try to create a language crystal.
 
So, would it be possible to create a Level 10 Death Crystal... without it instantly killing us?
I am just assuming it would. A death crystal would be potent however.
I'd rather do that with a Level 10 Life Crystal nearby. I'm also against that for the simple reason that it'd literally kill everyone and everything.

When are we planning on trying to give more grammer/depth to the rune system to help us bring it to the level of complexity that we can start making a spoken tongue?
Honestly we can do that anytime. We just maxed out most of our Navy and a fair bit of our Army. We should have some time to improve our Rune Library.
Also we should also try to create a language crystal.
Another on the list. Speaking of list here's one. Bear in mind it hasn't been updated yet. But who has the time to update that many crystals?
- Accretion.
- Accuracy.
- Adamantium.
- Administration.
- Agility.
- Aim.
- Amplify.
- Angel.
- Anti-Matter.
- Balance. (Currently Rank 10)
- Beast.
- Binding.
- Body.
- Boost.
- Booster Crystals.
- Ceramite.
- Cleanse.
- Cloning.
- Coherency.
- Combat.
- Communication. (Currently Rank 10)
- Compassion.
- Concealment.
- Concept.
- Confinement.
- Constitution.
- Control.
- Cooperation/Teamwork.
- Copper.
- Courage.
- Creation.
- Creativity.
- Crystal.
- Cuteness.
- Dark Energy.
- Dark.
- Death.
- Defense.
- Destruction.
- Determination/Motivation/Work Ethic.
- Detracting.
- Deuterium.
- Development.
- Dexterity.
- Diamond.
- Diplomacy.
- Discipline.
- Discovery.
- Divinity.
- Dull.
- Duplication.
- Durability.
- Earth.
- Education.
- Efficiency.
- Eldar.
- Electromagnetic.
- Electronics.
- Emotion.
- Endurance.
- Energy.
- Engine.
- Enhancing.
- Evasion.
- Evolution.
- Expansion.
- Exploration.
- Explosives.
- Faith.
- Ferrocrete.
- Fertility.
- Filter.
- Fire.
- Flight.
- Forging.
- Fortune.
- Gas.
- Generating.
- Gold.
- Gravity.
- Growth.
- Guidance.
- Guns.
- Harmony.
- Healing.
- Health.
- Heart.
- Heaven.
- Hero.
- Holy.
- Honor.
- Hope
- Ice.
- Idea/Thought.
- Illusion.
- Improvement.
- Innovation.
- Integrity.
- Intelligence.
- Intrigue.
- Invention.
- Iron.
- Justice.
- Karma.
- Key.
- Language.
- Law.
- Learning.
- Life.
- Light.
- Limiter.
- Liquid.
- Lock.
- Loyalty.
- Luck.
- Machine.
- Magic.
- Martial.
- Math.
- Matter.
- Medicine.
- Memory.
- Mending.
- Metal.
- Mind.
- Mobility.
- Moderation.
- Morality.
- Motion.
- Music.
- Mythril.
- Navigation. (Currently Rank 10)
- Nickel.
- Null/Nullify.
- Order. (Currently Rank 10)
- Organization. (Currently Rank 10)
- Overcoming.
- Penetration.
- Perception.
- Perseverance.
- Piety.
- Planet.
- Plasma.
- Plasteel.
- Potential.
- Power.
- Prediction.
- Preservation.
- Primarch.
- Productivity.
- Progress.
- Promethium.
- Psyker.
- Range.
- Reason/Rationality/Logic.
- Recovery.
- Regeneration.
- Resilience.
- Rockcrete.
- Rulership.
- Rune of Self. (Currently Rank 10)
- Science.
- Sealing
- Seeking.
- Sentience.
- Sensing.
- Shape.
- Ship.
- Shrink/Miniaturize.
- Skill.
- Solid.
- Sophont.
- Soul.
- Space.
- Speech.
- Speed.
- Stamina.
- Star.
- Steal.
- Stealth.
- Steel.
- Stewardship.
- Storage.
- Strength.
- Strong Nuclear.
- Structural Integrity.
- Summon.
- Suppression.
- Survival.
- Swords.
- Symbiosis.
- Tactics.
- Teleport.
- Temperance.
- Tether.
- Time.
- Tin.
- Tolerance.
- Transfer.
- Transport.
- Treasure.
- Truth.
- Unlock.
- Valor.
- Virtue.
- Vision.
- Warding.
- Warp.
- Water.
- Weak Nuclear.
- Wealth.
- Weapons.
- Will.
- Wisdom.
- Wood.
- Wraithbone.
- Xenophilia.
- Xenophobia.
- Youth.
- Runic Alphabet as right now if you think about it Runes count as words but we could create a set of symbols that could be used to weave any word AKA Rune.
- Rune of Link which would allows us to link two or more Rune concepts together i.e Preserve-Human.
- Runic grammar.
- Runic punctuation.
- Runic sentence structure.
- Runic Numerals.
- Rune god holy numbers.
- Rune god symbol.
- Rune Arrangement.

There are certain combinations to unlock stuff. For example if we did Metal, Fire, Water, Earth and Air we'd unlock psyker based terraforming. For another combination of Metal and other crystals we'd unlock the Machine Rune, which'd make us more in tune with machines and raise our standing with the Mechanicus.
 
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I would assume a Karma Crystal would be somewhere between Justice and Luck, with all that implies. It would probably pair well with Order and the other Anti-Deamon concepts.
 
I'd sooner jump off a cliff then try and update the technology sections. At this point I'm flat out just thinking about deleting them.
Honestly if anyone was willing to take the tech sections off your hands here's a few tips I'd give them.


  • Delete all tech that has been created/completed
This is because we already have the technology section for this.
  • Keep the list soley as ideas that people churn up in the thread.
This is because at the pace we post, sometimes a poster's plans get lost in the pages. This way we have an easy reference for things we want outside the memory of the local commentariat.
 
Honestly if anyone was willing to take the tech sections off your hands here's a few tips I'd give them.


- Delete all tech that has been created/completed
This is because we already have the technology section for this.
- Keep the list soley as ideas that people churn up in the thread.
This is because at the pace we post, sometimes a poster's plans get lost in the pages. This way we have an easy reference for things we want outside the memory of the local commentariat.
That was basically my thoughts when I started but I quickly didn't have the time or energy to continue so now it's outdated. But we should be able to fix it up after the system change with you, Skjadir and myself all collectively working together to maintain a check and research file for the thread's use.
 
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I'd rather do that with a Level 10 Life Crystal nearby. I'm also against that for the simple reason that it'd literally kill everyone and everything.


Honestly we can do that anytime. We just maxed out most of our Navy and a fair bit of our Army. We should have some time to improve our Rune Library.

Another on the list. Speaking of list here's one. Bear in mind it hasn't been updated yet. But who has the time to update that many crystals?
- Accretion.
- Accuracy.
- Adamantium.
- Administration.
- Agility.
- Aim.
- Amplify.
- Angel.
- Anti-Matter.
- Balance. (Currently Rank 10)
- Beast.
- Binding.
- Body.
- Boost.
- Booster Crystals.
- Ceramite.
- Cleanse.
- Cloning.
- Coherency.
- Combat.
- Communication. (Currently Rank 10)
- Compassion.
- Concealment.
- Concept.
- Confinement.
- Constitution.
- Control.
- Cooperation/Teamwork.
- Copper.
- Courage.
- Creation.
- Creativity.
- Crystal.
- Cuteness.
- Dark Energy.
- Dark.
- Death.
- Defense.
- Destruction.
- Determination/Motivation/Work Ethic.
- Detracting.
- Deuterium.
- Development.
- Dexterity.
- Diamond.
- Diplomacy.
- Discipline.
- Discovery.
- Divinity.
- Dull.
- Duplication.
- Durability.
- Earth.
- Education.
- Efficiency.
- Eldar.
- Electromagnetic.
- Electronics.
- Emotion.
- Endurance.
- Energy.
- Engine.
- Enhancing.
- Evasion.
- Evolution.
- Expansion.
- Exploration.
- Explosives.
- Faith.
- Ferrocrete.
- Fertility.
- Filter.
- Fire.
- Flight.
- Forging.
- Fortune.
- Gas.
- Generating.
- Gold.
- Gravity.
- Growth.
- Guidance.
- Guns.
- Harmony.
- Healing.
- Health.
- Heart.
- Heaven.
- Hero.
- Holy.
- Honor.
- Hope
- Ice.
- Idea/Thought.
- Illusion.
- Improvement.
- Innovation.
- Integrity.
- Intelligence.
- Intrigue.
- Invention.
- Iron.
- Justice.
- Karma.
- Key.
- Language.
- Law.
- Learning.
- Life.
- Light.
- Limiter.
- Liquid.
- Lock.
- Loyalty.
- Luck.
- Machine.
- Magic.
- Martial.
- Math.
- Matter.
- Medicine.
- Memory.
- Mending.
- Metal.
- Mind.
- Mobility.
- Moderation.
- Morality.
- Motion.
- Music.
- Mythril.
- Navigation. (Currently Rank 10)
- Nickel.
- Null/Nullify.
- Order. (Currently Rank 10)
- Organization. (Currently Rank 10)
- Overcoming.
- Penetration.
- Perception.
- Perseverance.
- Piety.
- Planet.
- Plasma.
- Plasteel.
- Potential.
- Power.
- Prediction.
- Preservation.
- Primarch.
- Productivity.
- Progress.
- Promethium.
- Psyker.
- Range.
- Reason/Rationality/Logic.
- Recovery.
- Regeneration.
- Resilience.
- Rockcrete.
- Rulership.
- Rune of Self. (Currently Rank 10)
- Science.
- Sealing
- Seeking.
- Sentience.
- Sensing.
- Shape.
- Ship.
- Shrink/Miniaturize.
- Skill.
- Solid.
- Sophont.
- Soul.
- Space.
- Speech.
- Speed.
- Stamina.
- Star.
- Steal.
- Stealth.
- Steel.
- Stewardship.
- Storage.
- Strength.
- Strong Nuclear.
- Structural Integrity.
- Summon.
- Suppression.
- Survival.
- Swords.
- Symbiosis.
- Tactics.
- Teleport.
- Temperance.
- Tether.
- Time.
- Tin.
- Tolerance.
- Transfer.
- Transport.
- Treasure.
- Truth.
- Unlock.
- Valor.
- Virtue.
- Vision.
- Warding.
- Warp.
- Water.
- Weak Nuclear.
- Wealth.
- Weapons.
- Will.
- Wisdom.
- Wood.
- Wraithbone.
- Xenophilia.
- Xenophobia.
- Youth.
- Runic Alphabet as right now if you think about it Runes count as words but we could create a set of symbols that could be used to weave any word AKA Rune.
- Rune of Link which would allows us to link two or more Rune concepts together i.e Preserve-Human.
- Runic grammar.
- Runic punctuation.
- Runic sentence structure.
- Runic Numerals.
- Rune god holy numbers.
- Rune god symbol.
- Rune Arrangement.

There are certain combinations to unlock stuff. For example if we did Metal, Fire, Water, Earth and Air we'd unlock psyker based terraforming. For another combination of Metal and other crystals we'd unlock the Machine Rune, which'd make us more in tune with machines and raise our standing with the Mechanicus.

if we survive the wwaagghh intact and have the ability to do so, turn 21-22 is going to be crystal heavy aint it? by that point I think the Qm is going to go nuts and our baby warp entity might have enough power to survive the four going after her, especially if we eventually do the heaven rune/crystal.
 
Next turn we really need to spend some SL on our Crystal Daughteru. Why wouldn't we spend time with her?
"Sorry honey but mommy's busy trying not to let her people get slaughtered by the Super Waagh."

Still no excuse considering the amount of people we spent time with even knowing that we're nearing imminent doom. Also not even a day old and she already resents the Emperor. We should try to curb that a bit. Jesus christ the Emperor's bad at familial relationships.

if we survive the wwaagghh intact and have the ability to do so, turn 21-22 is going to be crystal heavy aint it? by that point I think the Qm is going to go nuts and our baby warp entity might have enough power to survive the four going after her, especially if we eventually do the heaven rune/crystal.
Wait 21-22? We've been told that the Waagh may be coming in 3-5 ish turns. (Slaanesh is interefering with our futuresight) But yes getting our Goddess daughter powerful enouogh to ward off the Chaos Four should be a major goal of ours.
 
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"Sorry honey but mommy's busy trying not to let her people get slaughtered by the Super Waagh."

Still no excuse considering the amount of people we spent time with even knowing that we're nearing imminent doom. Also not even a day old and she already resents the Emperor. We should try to curb that a bit. Jesus christ the Emperor's bad at familial relationships.


Wait 21-22? We've been told that the Waagh may be coming in 3-5 ish turns. (Slaanesh is interefering with our futuresight) But yes getting our Goddess daughter powerful enouogh to ward off the Chaos Four should be a major goal of ours.

remember that the emperor told us to hold off on making crystals (limiting them) till those two turns?

also yeah, he's really bad at it, but then again living for so damn long and dealing with families and losing them? he's going to be holding off on connecting with people unless they are on a close scale to himself, (aka primarchs), even then he's doing it at a arms length because he's lived through some of the best and worst times of human history, and we are NOT a nice species to meet.
 
PPAR(Canon)(Tech)
Patent Violations

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It's quite easy to come to the conclusion that the Silver Sentinels, as the premiere special forces unit, is intended for engagements against foes that can bring to bear an immense amount of force through strength of arms. It is only appropriate for the Sentinels to respond in kind with even stronger armaments. Recently, a proposal has come though which we believe to operate best within their niche.

The Plasma Pellet Anti-material Rifle, or PPAR (pronounced "par") for short, is an off-shot of ongoing developments in projectile weaponry. In a particular incident involving a 120mm coilgun (see attached files), the experimental solenoid used in the design ionized the ferromagnetic slug in the chamber during firing, destroying the gun, but not before the projectile was able to vaporize the side of a target tank 3 kilometers away.

While the incident showed the design to not be ideal as a tank gun, the astounding range traversed by the ionized projectile opened up the possibility of developing long-range plasma weapons. Through reproductions and repeated iterations of the incident, we were able to develop a "pellet" rifle that could withstand the massive heat and friction generated by the passing projectile.

These slugs are then ionized into self-containing plasma "pellets" that are accelerated down the barrel by a series of more solenoids before exiting the barrel at hyper-velocity speeds. By re-purposing components used for cooling and barreling in plasma guns, we were able to reliably fire 1,000 of such pellets before the barrel becomes unreliable for additional firing. With future iterations, the number is expected to grow to match standard life expectancy of plasma weapons. Until then, proper barrel maintenance must be heavily emphasized with this weapon.

In terminal ballistics testing, the rifle is able to create immensely lethal wounds and dismemberment in humanoid targets, and cause significant damage to ballistic-gel targets rated for Orks. While its anti-armor capabilities are severely diminished from standard plasma weaponry, penetrating shots against lightly-armored targets and vehicles remain lethal with hot, burning plasma from both the pellet and the vaporized armor burning the targets inside.

It should be noted, however, that the rifle in its current iteration is the size and length of an auto-cannon, and scaling in either direction has proven difficult. Which is why the PPAR comes in two variants:

  • PPAR-V: A vehicle or tripod mounted variation that derives power from a fusion reactor. It also comes with a heavier barrel and cooling unit for sustained automatic fire.
  • PPAR-S: A hand-held variation making use of standardized powerbacks such as those in a lasgun. It also comes with a stock and pistol grip.
The PPAR-S in particular is too heavy to be wielded by Sniper suits, but is not as cumbersome in the hands of an Astartes scout, hence this proposal. The PPAR-S offers a Space Marine the power of a plasma weapon with the range of a solid projectile weapon. The hyper-velocity of the projectile also ensures easy target acquisition that is rare in other long-range weapons. It is imperative that we give the Silver Sentinels every advantage we can afford. They will become the Bastion's greatest champions, and will need the finest battle implements with the challenges they will soon face.

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A/N: Yes, it's basically a Tau pulse rifle, just not the ones in 40k. Considering they were first invented to battle Orks, it seemed appropriate that this omake be produced. Though I'd imagine even the Tau had to go through several hoops before being able to diversify the weapon into vehicle-weapons and standard-issue rifles, hence why the PPAR is so heavily specialized. If you guys really hate the Tau, or someone invents a more effective or powerful weapon, it could always be non-canon.
 
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If you guys really hate the Tau, or someone invents a more effective or powerful weapon, it could always be non-canon.
Oh far from it I love the Tau. Inventing Astartes tier standard Plasma rifles fits perfectly with our high tech marine aesthetic. Especially the "don't have a 1 in 6 chance to fry self" part. Plus it's not like Lion El'Johnson is going to complain. He'd love having more reliable plasma since his legion is the Plasma & Totally Not Allegory For The Protestant Reformation Legion.

Oh yeah now that I remember because the 1st Legion was well, first and their ancient ways meant they had first pick on archaeotech, this translated to having the most plasma weaponry.

I guess that's no longer true since the 21st legion is technically the first legion by being the first ever made.
 
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You know... Serras could, with her current skill-set, uplift the Tau herself. I can imagine it now... she suffers a Warp accident while teleporting across interstellar distances, sees a planet with a primitive people who need her help, and decides to do a little biomancy and teaching to help them....
 
You know... Serras could, with her current skill-set, uplift the Tau herself. I can imagine it now... she suffers a Warp accident while teleporting across interstellar distances, sees a planet with a primitive people who need her help, and decides to do a little biomancy and teaching to help them....

so no fish-people with CD looking holes in their heads and not looking stupid and are actually capable of close combat?

SIGN ME UP SCOTTY!
 
You know... Serras could, with her current skill-set, uplift the Tau herself. I can imagine it now... she suffers a Warp accident while teleporting across interstellar distances, sees a planet with a primitive people who need her help, and decides to do a little biomancy and teaching to help them....
That could be unlikely. Like they were only discovered as a super low tech level society during the late 41st millenium.

Also side note. Fucking Games Workshop. You have an auxillary Race for Tau. That are LIZARDMEN. And you don't think, people would want to buy models of sci fi LIZARDMEN?! And Psychic Bears?! I, I just don't know. Games Workshop why do you hate money?
 
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But do we WANT the Tau to conquer the galaxy? 'Cause their lack of close-combat proficiency is the only thing stopping them from doing so in the 41st millenium. :p

That would be true if we were 10000 years later in the timeline, or Serras slipped into the multiverse. However, at this point in time I'm sure they're busy evolving in primordial goop.

Warp, Serras could probably up win them over in the long distant future with dreams of a glorious future.
 
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