That requires a lot of time and better technology to increase the odds of the average person to survive. While that has been solved by us the emperor wants human evolution to be more natural than immediately forces hence why canon astartes are sterile, either by design or by result of the experiment. Another thing is that all the Astartes augmentations were built for built for war purposes thus wouldn't in an era of peace.
The Bastion is a post scarcity civilization with the technology, resources and industry to match the amount of time and effort required to accomplish this will be insignificant. In addition we're both a technology and psyker focused Primarch so it wouldn't be difficult for us to master both the biological and Warp aspects of creating augmented humans.
The Emperor considers Primarchs and Space Marines to be a stopgap measure to further his ends. In this case "naturally reaching his level" would be him directly responsible over the eventual turn of humanity into a race of psykers like the Eldar but better. In this case the Space Marines would be irrelevant as a bio cyborg class of beings in a galaxy where Chaos is practically nonexistent and other threats have become near irrelevant.
That still doesn't invalidate the fact we could use augmentations to speed this up greatly and the fact that most evidence seems to point towards Astartes and other augmented humans being steps on the human evolutionary ladder.
Speaking of good, ilbgar made good progress on on our SL/Integration Action list. If I'm reading the bonuses right that means we only have 8 things left. Well things collectively.
Completed stuff in red:
[X] [Minor] [SL] Magnus (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Rogal Dorn (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Mehtrya (x1)
[X] [Minor] [SL] Albert Salnus (x2) (max out parent SL and Speech)
Integration Actions (x139)
[X] [Integration] Improve Policy x7
[X] [Integration] The Android Situation (x7): Figure out how to integrate them fully without issues from the Mechanicum. Find out why they could not make more of themselves.
[X] [Integration] Tour the Bastion Sector (x15): We have all these shiny new planets, and we want to know more about their worlds and their people.
-[X] Network with very important people!
-[X] Visit cultural heritage sites of various planets!
-[X] Find out the unique exports of various planets!
-[X] Release the Propaganda Machine!
-[X] Greet the peasants!
[X] [Integration] Improve the Guard Command and Fleet Command. (x15): While you might rewritten the manual on warfare several times, it won't do any good if the admirals and generals in your army have not studied them to heart, or if your army and navy themselves are not organized enough to follow their commands.
-[X] Improve the organization standards of our army and navy.
-[X] Set up Academies to train recruited officers and troops.
-[X] Increase recruitment drive for our army and navy.
-[X] Set up War games to promote combat readiness.
-[X] Promote meritocracy within our army and navy.
[X] [Integration] Improve the Scientific Enterprise (x15): Improve existing R&D organizations, bringing the research capabilities of our polity slightly closer to Serras.
-[X] Improve integration between classical scientists, tech-priests, quarian technicians, and various tech-sects within Bastion.
-[X] Improve protocols for resource allocation, research sharing, vetting, and safeguard.
[X] [Integration] Improve Internal Security and Intelligence to counteract sabotage/traitors/spies/criminals (x15)
[X] [Integration] Diplomacy (x42)
Survey Actions (x62)
[X] [Survey] (x62)
Our extra organs are a bio upgrade, something to compensate for until the human race can produce those naturally.
Yay even more things.
It wouldn't be hard to make the augmentation hereditary as such bypassing the need to wait.
Basically the same response as I gave Citrus.
See that's the draw. You're saying that it's optional, when the alternative is being left irrelevant in society. It's not like being a customer for a product it's literally changing your life to stay comfy in society or being stuck in the dust.
There will always be someone who thinks differently, just look at the Amish, and I personally think that we should never lose or work to curb that thought process except where it directly harms or hinders another person.
I could make this very same argument in the modern day for vaccines, computers, phones and schools Citrus. You will be left irrelevant in this society without making use of these inventions but we don't let the majority suffer just because it would have an negative impact on a certain group of people.
It would by making an entire class of human an underclass.
There's a difference between a new technological industry and creating a racial and class divide in our people. This would be the exact opposite of what we've been doing for the past several turns.
Turn 13 Results.
It's just another invention to improve the lives of our people they don't have to use it if they don't want to just be prepared to deal with the consequences. Also I hardly see a difference between allowing the mass production of Astartes and the creation of schools. If you don't become an Astartes well society leaves you in the dust and good luck finding a job that will allow you to survive same thing with school in the modern world.
It hasn't been long enough for anyone who has taken a juvenat treatment to get old yet.
Assuming we don't displaced or killed by anything we could pretty much treat them like the Amish. Give them their own area to live as they please, the right of all sapients not bent on killing everything but allowing those that want to leave to leave. Once we get the rest of humanity into that 2.0 state we surely would have a template to build from to just Biomancy the kid who decided his Rumspringa didn't need to end.
If you cannot see the difference between creating a class of immortal superhumans who contain our genes and would generally dominate most positions of government, and an education system that intends to expand the knowledge of whoever attends, we're just gonna be at crossroads.
There's quite a few trillions of humans that might not agree to being ruled under an effective immortal dynasty of the Emperor and his direct kin who rule the place.
Well what's your solution then Citrus? Because I for one will not stand idly by and allow suffering on an unprecedented scale to continue when I have the power to put a stop to it all by offering but a helping hand. So what if a small minority slap my hand away in ignorance they only have themselves and their inability to adapt to blame for their suffering. But I will not allow for this small minority refusal to adapt stop me from alleviating the suffering of those who would take my hand.
Aside from what we're doing now, which has been working to uplift All Humans there's another thing. Remember how Albert Salnus, our main character's father said we can't do things alone and should rely on others? That also meant the reliance on other people, which is partially why our tech is built around humans eventually being able to go on without us in case anything bad happened.
Or better yet remember that we're not the Emperor and have no obligation to expand too fast and too far beyond what our infrastructure is able to handle. Which also means we're under no obligation to face as many humans as you describe regarding this.
It would be no different from how it's run now just with all the citizens of the Bastion being far better off then they were before as the augmentation would be hereditary so it is in no way shape or form ignoring our fathers advice in fact it probably fits the spirit of the advice then not following through with this action as it would bring the average citizen of the Bastion far closer to Serras's level allowing for a much higher degree of cooperation between us.
It is apparent that we are unable to convince each other of our respective views. I suggest we stop here. I cannot say that I agree with what you say but I can understand where you're coming from.
Alright. Well at least we remained civil for the course of the debate. So that's good.
That works until we have the infrastructure and ability to handle more but all that is left is the people that don't want us there. Do we stop there? We could, I actually don't have a problem not enforcing our beliefs and rules on an uncooperative populace. The problem is that we would be working towards an evolution of humanity and there is now a wall between us and them. Human nature would have them warring with us because of the fear that we might enslave them as "lessers."
