An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%

  • Total voters
    850
You make a fair point, though I'd make an arguement for a earth concept today: 2 years mandatory service in some field (Navy, army, etc., with some noncombat positions in healthcare or construction for pacifists or people otherwise unfit) could be a good tactic.
so turian policy of 'no such thing as civilians'?
 
so turian policy of 'no such thing as civilians'?

No need to go that far. Switzerland, say, or Sweden, require all fit young men to serve for two years, and those who don't to pay a slightly higher tax. They are civilians afterwards, should they wish, but they had military training so if a draft were called they'd be half trained, they function as a militia, and it instills patriotism and unity. Downsides are expense, may not be popular at first, and theoretically large defeats could hurt population growth and industry much faster.
 
One thing that we could do, is to write-in (with omakes) some hero units for the Bastion.

For example, we are thinking of bettering our fleets, which IS a good thing, but we could also write omakes about hero units FOR our fleets.

Like for example, have Honor Harrington as a hero unit? I do not know if anyone has read the books about her, but she would fit well enough in this universe, and give us a space equivalent of Ursarkar.E.Creed.

No small thing to say the least. Especially once we upgrade the tech for prolonging life.

(Speaking of Honor Harrington, I strongly suggest those who have actual competence in writing techno-babble and convert it in omakes to read on the techs of her universe, there are some VERY nice space guns/defensives techs for spaceships in there...)
 
were doomed...you really think he has meet BENEVOLENT warp beings in this hell-hole of a galaxy...are you from a noble-bright version of Warhammer?

30,000 years have passed, and you're going to tell me that there has never been enough positive emotions to create some form of benevolent entity? That's just stupid... The warp is shaped by the materium, and Grimdark wasn't always the state of the milky way.

Guess shes about to see Slavery slash Human meat farms like on slaughter 3

Orks wouldn't be able to keep humans alive long enough for anything resembling a farm to work.
 
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One thing that we could do, is to write-in (with omakes) some hero units for the Bastion.

For example, we are thinking of bettering our fleets, which IS a good thing, but we could also write omakes about hero units FOR our fleets.

Like for example, have Honor Harrington as a hero unit? I do not know if anyone has read the books about her, but she would fit well enough in this universe, and give us a space equivalent of Ursarkar.E.Creed.

No small thing to say the least. Especially once we upgrade the tech for prolonging life.

(Speaking of Honor Harrington, I strongly suggest those who have actual competence in writing techno-babble and convert it in omakes to read on the techs of her universe, there are some VERY nice space guns/defensives techs for spaceships in there...)

Vague plans for hero/above average units for the Keter, so it'll be done eventually.
 
Vague plans for hero/above average units for the Keter, so it'll be done eventually.
If I think about it again, I might write the omake myself- I just want to let the Bastion grow some before introducing said character in.

Right now, it feels too soon.

Also, an other idea for omake- writing on the culture of the Bastion.

For example, have a small group of people simply talking between one another of what life in the Bastion is like, with some mention here and there of Seras thrown in.

Could be interesting to see things from the POV of the "common man", so to speak...
 
As a reminder for our plan for the upcoming turn, we got a huge :hint hint: from the QM that we should find the rest of our Primarch brothers sooner rather than later. Pessimistically, better to over-allocate actions than under-allocate in case of bad luck.
 
@King Arthur, if it's not too much to ask, with these new actions what new crystals would you consider adding to your plan?


Not even old enough to drive and already we're planning to use Necron tier tech.
I'mg going to go read the chapter and then I'll start working on that, but I have two questions for the people in this thread first.

First question, has anyone thought of any additional personality Crystals? I've mostly honed in on Self-Defense Crystals and maybe Mind just for the hell of it, but if anyone has thought of any additional personality Crystals to throw in I'm interested in hearing it.

Side note, I'm not doing Loyalty, that's creepy to me.

Second, and more important, question. How many Crystals is this thread willing to give me? That's really the thing that defines my plan here.
 
As a reminder for our plan for the upcoming turn, we got a huge :hint hint: from the QM that we should find the rest of our Primarch brothers sooner rather than later. Pessimistically, better to over-allocate actions than under-allocate in case of bad luck.
Don't worry to much about it I'm personally going to assign both of my +10s to searching for our brothers this turn.
 
alright, time to compile all of the information and start planning the next turn
Yep.

I have a text documents containing all of the research we've discussed over the past couple turns another one containing check information and another two containing perks information and actions conversion. I'm just waiting for Ilbgar to post the options for Turn 15 before I post it.
Awesome; I have the same -- it actually tracks the number of actions used automatically (WP has some nice variable usage).

I will now stop lurking while not signed in(I was lurking while not signed in to avoid alerts and notifications) and get more involved. I already have two omakes in the works-
Nice / welcome.

We just got 15 more minor actions. We are good our skill training needs.
We should throw them into our Learning... and Control.

Let the Power of the Action Economy flow through you!
Indeed! / It's why I've always advocated dropping our points into Education.

On a less intelligent and severely less grateful note dat upcoming SL with the Emperor! I needs the family drama
LOL -- True enough.

Perk PSA: To purchase all perks in the Psyker and Education categories at Rank 0 Relic would require 146 perk points.
Hm, that would be nice... I guess we should start banking them then.

I mean some of us (coughmecough) are trying to set seras up as "Best and only Daughter".
We need to become the Omnissiah; that will guarantee it, plus be awesome.

So, Automated Shipyards: Clever way around building ships manually, or waste of actions?
Clever. (Automation has, historically, been a very good thing.)

When our ship output dwarfs our manpower, what are our next options? I see three:

1) Recuitment propoganda. Simple enough. Downside is that's taking people away from industry.

2) In-vessel automation. Find jobs that can be partially automated, or fully automated without AI, to reduse crew sizes. Less people/ship means more can be fielded.

3) Expensive ships. Right now, our limiting factor is material, so our ships' cost-effectiveness calculations are different. If doubling the price increases the power by 20%, that could be worth it when the bellows go online.
#2 & #3 certainly / #1 only if we set up super-universities + Academies.

No need to go that far. Switzerland, say, or Sweden, require all fit young men to serve for two years, and those who don't to pay a slightly higher tax. They are civilians afterwards, should they wish, but they had military training so if a draft were called they'd be half trained, they function as a militia, and it instills patriotism and unity. Downsides are expense, may not be popular at first, and theoretically large defeats could hurt population growth and industry much faster.
The benefits here vastly outweigh the downsides. We should have enough bonuses to our economy right now that the expenses should be essentially miniscule compared to the entire budget + with our cultural skills having this sort of common militia experience for all members of Bastion will be good for cohesiveness as it would provide a common culture/experience.

30,000 years have passed, and you're going to tell me that there has never been enough positive emotions to create some form of benevolent entity? That's just stupid... The warp is shaped by the materium, and Grimdark wasn't always the state of the milky way.
Well, that's part of the nature of the "Chaos Gods" -- take "hope" it's a "desire for change" and therefore part of Tzeentch's domain, just like "stability"/"security" are part of Nurgle's domain. It's also why the Order Crystals are very dangerous: in the Warhammer setting Order and Organization are NOT the opposite of "Chaos" as we're operating in a TTS-AU we know that the Imperial Truth was really planting the seeds of a "Chaos God of Unbelief" and the QM has pretty explicitly stated that organization/order likewise could be Chaos God domains:
Reward: Tenth-tier Organization Runes. These Runes are potent enough to make organizations run like well-oiled machines. +250 to military rolls. 250% bonus to industry. +250 to morale rolls. +1000 to Psyker Checks.

AN: Hope the Empyreal Tyrant never becomes a thing, because it would love to twist these things to its own ends.

See?
Right there: Empyreal Tyrant.
 
Hey you guys know how we were all amazed over how much Serras gained in her combat checks from gaining Karma this update right. Well the calculation that was done for didn't have the full Karma value so it was less then it was at the end of the update so in reality Serras the crazy bastard that she is managed to up her combat check by around 11k this turn and her speech check by about 16k.
 
Hey you guys know how we were all amazed over how much Serras gained in her combat checks from gaining Karma this update right. Well the calculation that was done for didn't have the full Karma value so it was less then it was at the end of the update so in reality Serras the crazy bastard that she is managed to up her combat check by around 11k this turn and her speech check by about 16k.
We're that powerful because we're a good person. That feels niiiice.

There's at least one more (horus) in range. Investing this turn in psy choirs is a must though.
In agreement, we can even get Fulgrim to follow us since we're the best chance of getting Chemos up to par asap.
 
@ilbgar123 Can we have Training or Growth or Improvement Crystals? Any requirements for them? Any differences between them?

Are these just the Booster Crystals that we already have? It doesn't seem like the Booster Crystals work in grades like other Crystals do, what's up with that?

Edit: Adding on to this, how about an Illusion Crystal?

An Escape Crystal?
 
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Well, that's part of the nature of the "Chaos Gods" -- take "hope" it's a "desire for change" and therefore part of Tzeentch's domain, just like "stability"/"security" are part of Nurgle's domain. It's also why the Order Crystals are very dangerous: in the Warhammer setting Order and Organization are NOT the opposite of "Chaos" as we're operating in a TTS-AU we know that the Imperial Truth was really planting the seeds of a "Chaos God of Unbelief" and the QM has pretty explicitly stated that organization/order likewise could be Chaos God domains:

See?
Right there: Empyreal Tyrant.

There is a plethora of things someone can relate to happiness, joy, fun etc. The Warp is shaped by emotions, and I imagine humanity and the rest of the galaxy isn't all "I HATE MY LIFE, KILL MURDER MAIM, DISEASE, SEX PLEASURE EXCESS HAHAHHAHAH!" for the entirety of that 30k years and before even that.

And stop talking about order, I said nothing related to order! I was refering to the fact that believing that not a single benevolent being was created in 30k years is absurd.
 
There is a plethora of things someone can relate to happiness, joy, fun etc. The Warp is shaped by emotions, and I imagine humanity and the rest of the galaxy isn't all "I HATE MY LIFE, KILL MURDER MAIM, DISEASE, SEX PLEASURE EXCESS HAHAHHAHAH!" for the entirety of that 30k years and before even that.

And stop talking about order, I said nothing related to order! I was refering to the fact that believing that not a single benevolent being was created in 30k years is absurd.
The problem is that chaos gods ate all the benevolent entities.
 
There is a plethora of things someone can relate to happiness, joy, fun etc. The Warp is shaped by emotions, and I imagine humanity and the rest of the galaxy isn't all "I HATE MY LIFE, KILL MURDER MAIM, DISEASE, SEX PLEASURE EXCESS HAHAHHAHAH!" for the entirety of that 30k years and before even that.

And stop talking about order, I said nothing related to order! I was refering to the fact that believing that not a single benevolent being was created in 30k years is absurd.
Except that order in the form of our crystals/runes is directly related to your complaint that "not a single benevolent being was created in 30k years is absurd" -- we've just accidentally created one, and bumping up Order crystals/runes to level 10 was a [perhaps the] key step -- and as others are pointing out, there's a non-trivial chance that it'll be eaten/absorbed by one of the main-four Ruinous Powers. (Tzeentch has crystals, but Slaanesh is actively pissed off at us for intruding on its Banquet of Eldar, and likely would view eating this Crystalline Entity as just deserts.)
 
@ilbgar123, would it be possible to make a crystal that makes other crystals or some other manufacturing method? Because the fact that we need psykers to build Stellar Bellows is really harshing my vibe.

Well, a Crystal of crystals (lower case c refers to crystals in general, not the conceptual bullshit type specifically) could make them easier to make. Get that one to grade 10 and I'll knock a Stellar Bellows down to a single year. However, it will have a slight effect on all Crystals, not just the ones directly under the area of effect of the ones you've made, which means Chaos has a slightly easier time making their own. Not a whole lot easier, but easier.
 
Well, a Crystal of crystals (lower case c refers to crystals in general, not the conceptual bullshit type specifically) could make them easier to make. Get that one to grade 10 and I'll knock a Stellar Bellows down to a single year. However, it will have a slight effect on all Crystals, not just the ones directly under the area of effect of the ones you've made, which means Chaos has a slightly easier time making their own. Not a whole lot easier, but easier.
This is totally worth it and I think we can all agree on that.
 
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