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What kinda action would be used to develop that?
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An Extra Primarch
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What kinda action would be used to develop that?
Sir LagsAlot
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So it seems to provide us with a bonus just not to the extent it does the IG and the rest of the difference seems to be made up by the fact they have all their bonuses, we don't, were missing all the hero units and their getting bonuses from an IG Warp presence kind of thing.
Armed forces integration, development of combined arms doctrine maybe the creation of a central command structure involving all branches of our military that's all I can think of though.
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Power Check: 5 Checks passed.
Control Check: 3 Checks passed.
Learning Check: 3 Checks passed. -725 to Check difficulty.
Combined Score Check: Invention: Practical+Industry: 210+ Psyker: Esoteric+Navigator: 280+ Forging: Gear: 200+ 13075(Invention bonuses)+ 10525(Psyker bonuses)+ 5745(Forging bonuses)= 30035
is what I have.
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eldar SL? also psyker bonus dropped?
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But we have psyker support. Not only that, but Beta psyker support. There's maybe one Beta psyker loyalist in 40k, and he's a Grey Knight. It's damn boggling to me how we're struggling against an equivalent amount of Imperial Guard.
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I think I'm missing a bonus or something. It's why I wanted someone to update the bonuses page (which I can't do).
Sir LagsAlot
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Nope but here's a link to the page that says we get 36995. I mean it's literally ilbgar123 calculations and it's saying we get far more then what he's saying were getting right now.
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I don't think we have any integrated Psyker support in our military yet also well we can create Psykers we haven't really been doing it to much and I don't think we've even created one beta level Psyker yet.
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Sir LagsAlot
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So they don't provide us with any bonuses to our army then?
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oh yeah, 45 control now so no control check 4 pass?
King Arthur
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I'm guessing their just too powerful to be included in the rank and file check?
It's like shooting the enemy forces from orbit while our armies fight them on the ground. Some offenses are so powerful they don't really count as our army fighting, they just do a bunch of damage and weaken the enemy a ton while our forces attack separately.
I guess.
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They're more than just "blow the enemy up", though. They're "guess the enemy's move in advance by seeing the future" and "make portals through the Warp to teleport squads behind enemy lines", as well as "read and control the enemy commander's mind" and "heal hero units from near-death". They're a strategic force multiplier that, like Space Marines in canon, can win wars all on its own - because the enemy has no conventional counter to them. The thought that we've not been using Betas to their full potential because they'll destroy the planet is gimping their value.
King Arthur
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I meant more in the sense that they lower the enemies score rather then improve ours. They see the future and prepare our army for their tactics so the enemy loses their tactics bonus, take out their supplies enemy loses supplies bonus, blow them up they lose manpower bonus, etctera ectera.
What they do for us changes too much from situation to situation to provide us with a consistent bonus, so whatever tactic they use is instead taken out of the enemies hide so we can better calculate the more consistent things.
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I meant that they don't see front-line combat a whole lot. Also, you mostly fight Orks, who psykers have more trouble with than humans, or Daemons/cultists, where mind-reading is generally useless if not counter-productive.
Edit: Also, what Arthur said.
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@ilbgar123 you manage to figure out issue with the rune of self points yet?
If I was at my computer I could try and look it up but I'm on my phone instead unfortunately.
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No, my calcs have actually gotten lower. Interestingly, with the original 30035, 16 actions would have sufficed to reach the 500000 Check.
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Sir LagsAlot
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How? All you were missing was a control check the 3500 from the Eldar SL and like 4000 (probably more but I'm estimating from memory) in Psyker bonuses.
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I got 450000~ with the current
Combined Score Check: Invention: Practical+Industry: 210+ Psyker: Esoteric+Navigator: 280+ Forging: Gear: 200+ 13335(Invention bonuses)+ 12775(Psyker bonuses)+ 5995(Forging bonuses)= 32795 X 14= 459130.
and while that ignores the 19K+ you already had, that's not enough to qualify.
Sir LagsAlot
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Alright I'm just going to go and add up all our bonuses real quick to see if I can find any errors.
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Our PDF scores make sense. The amount of fighting forces we have must be paltry compared to the Imperium.
At the start of the Great Crusade, the Imperium had at least two hundred thousand in ships alone. We currently have a little over two thousand ships combined.
From Chapter 22 of A Thousand Sons said:
At the start of the Great Crusade, the Imperium had at least two hundred thousand in ships alone. We currently have a little over two thousand ships combined.
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This version of Emps is going to jump-start that by cannibalizing the asteroid belt to insta-Stellar Bellows once Serras confirms it works with a red giant in an empty system. The rest gets made into shipyards of large enough numbers to actually use the amount of material the bellows will give, using the DAoT tech Emps remembers.
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Sir LagsAlot
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Ya you seem to be spot on then for the difficulty reduction check. Although I just wish my calculator would stop resetting well I try to do calculation.