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An Extra Primarch
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Enthusiast#117
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Canon's already shot. We're an unexpected player on the field. And our enemies are the CHAOS gods. Expecting them to follow canon rails is silly. They may target completely different primarchs, their approach may vary wildly, their plans will account for us, and they see us in their own divinations of the future. Canon information just tells us who are enemies are and what they want, not what actions they will take or how to thwart them.
Shift thinking from 'getting involved in canon' to 'getting involved in the Crusade'
From that standpoint, I want to delay. Lets not get involved in the Crusade until we have to. Pick up the Warp Messages perk last if possible. We don't want our homeworld subsumed by the Imperium, we want it to grow enough to clearly have something to offer before assimilation begins.
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what are effects of crystals made with concepts like balance, compassion, faith and willpower?
can we able to combine two different concepts into one by using a concept as catalyst(exmp balance)? like Order + hope or order +valor, or order + change etc.
Is it possible to create some kind of psi-weapon(using concept crystals) to counter Drach'nyen?
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Even with only those two discovery we could massively speed-up the Great Crusade.
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But we could make it better. Although knowing that helps lower that priority.
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Maybe, though then you'd risk making Shards of Nothing, which do... weird things to physics. Remember that you got these by copying the crystals left behind by the Heartless, so weird stuff can happen if you try and combine different crystals without a stabilizing agent, such as physical matter without excessive Warp-taint. That being said, you can.
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how about balance crystal as a stabilizing agent?
Enthusiast#117
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Balance implies acceptance of component parts.
I don't want to accept chaos as one part of a balance, I want to fight it.
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That would need to be pretty high quality to avoid only being able to combine it with one other crystal, kind of defeating the point. Also, making a Balance crystal would once again risk Shards of Nothing until you got it figured out, which you'd need to do first.
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- From the moon
Messing around with pure nothingness sounds fun I don't see how that could go wrong.
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- India
you can not fight them like that chaos is actually the extreme end of a concept what humans need moderation, balance can help with that too much order leads to stagnation and stratification, we need chaos to improve and innovate, so we must follow the middle path.
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Unfortunately, despite the horrifically evil nature of all the Chaos Gods (though Nurgle just doesn't seem to understand that people don't like his gifts) they represent all emotions. Although they don't often show it, they represent the good as well as the bad. Slaanesh is usually thought of as a classic pervert taken to it's logical conclusion as seen through the lens of Berserk mixed with regular hentai, but it also represents skill and pride in those skills. Khorne is literally the epitome of a blood knight, but also represents valor and courage. Nurgle is like if every horrible plague ever was given a personality like Santa Clause (Get that image out of your head, I know I can't.), but he represents grim determination and steadfastness as well. Tzeentch might be incredibly addicted to complexity, but he also represents hope, as things require some kind of change to get better or worse. Though considering how he actively works to keep 40K stagnant, I'm honestly kind of surprised he hasn't imploded from a god of change working to prevent change.
deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
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- The Warp
Developing an idea of the possible existence of the Warp Gods is a good thing.
Also good is that Serras' understanding of what strengthens/weakens each of the types of Warp Horrors is useful on its own, and the associations might help in realising that they're sustained and empowered by emotions themselves, not belief as the Emperor incorrectly thinks.
Realising this and convincing the Emperor of it would make a big difference as his 'Atheism or die' plan kind of set up the Imperium for the Cult, plus honestly belief and faith is actually pretty strong as a defence against both Chaos and the horrific Fascist monostate the Imperium became.
Yeah, thankfully don't think we made actual contact here think this was more just...perceiving the Emperor's Wake he leaves in the Warp.
"Change is constant, but things remain the same"
I figure he mostly survives off of ludicrously overcomplicated plots that never achieve anything of substance.
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Choas is by its nature is paradoxical, it is not bound by any rules or regulations. so you can not fight them any straightforward way, the best way to deal with them is to understand its nature and understand how chaos uses its influence and moderate/regulate the qualities it can influence.
"Monks, these two extremes ought not to be practiced by one who has gone forth from the household life. (What are the two?) There is addiction to indulgence of sense-pleasures(Slaanesh???), which is low, coarse, the way of ordinary people, unworthy, and unprofitable; and there is addiction to self-mortification(Nurgle???), which is painful, unworthy, and unprofitable. Avoiding both these extremes, the Tathagata (the Perfect One/The Golden One) has realized the Middle Path; it gives vision, gives knowledge, and leads to calm, to insight, to enlightenment and to Nibbana."
------------------------------Buddha(Emperor????)
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Developing an idea of the possible existence of the Warp Gods is a good thing.
Also good is that Serras' understanding of what strengthens/weakens each of the types of Warp Horrors is useful on its own, and the associations might help in realising that they're sustained and empowered by emotions themselves, not belief as the Emperor incorrectly thinks.
Realising this and convincing the Emperor of it would make a big difference as his 'Atheism or die' plan kind of set up the Imperium for the Cult, plus honestly belief and faith is actually pretty strong as a defence against both Chaos and the horrific Fascist monostate the Imperium became.
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considering his will and stats? good luck. if we could do it it would be great but I am not betting on it.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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That's the idea. By constantly changing the game so that the eternal war is always at a stalemate, no faction wins and ends the war (which would likely weaken or kill him) while he is constantly empowered by all the plots, betrayal etc.
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mmm, my opinion is that they don't so much represent those things as they do feed off them.
The Eldar had all their emotions before the warp gods were born, after all.
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Well yes, but the two are functionally similar in terms of fighting them. How do you fight something that is empowered by the emotional spectrum without removing emotion from people, which would be considered the same as committing self-inflicted genocide by most.
Uh, let me rephrase my wording. The earlier we get introduced to the Imperium, the sooner we get access to those resources, more comprehensive IC knowledge of the universe, implement general plans to improve the Imperium and stuff, SL other Primarchs and important people in order to play therapist. Though it's not like we aren't doing useful stuff now like establishing our home base or grinding some stats and SLs, so when we get there isn't that much of a bottleneck. And in theory if our actions are a bottleneck for Chaos's schemes then getting there earlier would get us less time.
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I got a Theory about that. Here it is----------------
Well in warp gods are shaped from collective consciousnesses of a race. When a race able to reach their fullest psyker potential their psyker powers manifest as psionic entities. We can see that in case of Eldar gods. Most of the races potential racial deities got devoured at their newborn/weak state by Choas Gods and their portfolios got subsumed into their domain, thus dooming the race and empowering themselves further.
Oldones created/premade Eldar Gods as a focus for Eldar Emotions, Gods acted as a safety valve so that Eldar remain outside chaos influence despite being an emotional race, Maybe Eldar Gods were semi-sentient first but after Oldones death and influx of Eldar emotions, they became fully sentient. They still able to do their job that oldones assigned them. But sadly Eldars rampant hedonism broke the system into smithereens.
So each Eldar god created from a particular emotion of Eldar. This is true in the case of ork gods. so i can theorize before fall Eldar emotions used to feed their gods. before fall 3 chaos gods were weak and they used to feed on immature races emotions as emotions of powerful psyker races remain elusive to them. but after the fall with most of the Eldar gods dead and because the eye of terror chaos gods able to find a new source of power to feed on, human emotions. Humans are weak and starting their journey as psyker race thus their collective consciousnesses can not manifest as warp entities just yet so that they can not feed their emotions to any beings other than chaos gods.
I would think to do the opposite of what created them. They were effectively seeded by the WiH fucking things up enough for the more negative aspects to clump together, and start a self-perpetuating system of unstable and bad emotions in both planes. Daemons fuck shit up and cause conflict in the Materium, and so the Warp remains a Warp-ed mess, and the gods live. In theory a long enough period of peace and tranquility should cool it down until the Warp returns to being the Realm of Souls, and the Gods dissipate back into the background blend of emotions they came from. The biggest hurdle of course, is that whole 'self-perpetuating' shit that will actively work to keep the conflict going.
The best I can personally think of is to develop tech and culture enough to trivialize most of the problems like scarcity, bad government, conflict, and daemonic infiltration. Unfortunately, we're probably not going to be able to reach that point. And it would take the longest anyway.
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Honestly think we shouldn't try to contact Emps. We are pretty much doing our own thing at the moment and this is very, very OOC reasons. It's also OOC in that if we didn't know canon we likely would not even consider talking to a psyker who is significantly more powerful than us which is likely to just make Emps think Serras is an idiot.
Rather we try to build our own story first like the other Primarch rather than base all our actions on OOC information. Really find that kind of thing annoying.
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- Reno Nv
So, we need a balance crystal. then we can make better crystals. Thoes rolls are so bad, but at least they aren't a nat 1. Also wondering if we are getting closer to a wrath bone expy.