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An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%

  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%

  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%
  • Total voters
    850
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Ptolemy said:
That could be really cool actually. If it wasn't some weird trans-dimensional thing, but rather incorporated SG into 40k, I can imagine the Goa'uld being a parasitic species thriving amongst lost human colonies from the DAoT, exploiting the lost technology and relics of humanity and other precursor civilisations.

Edit: Or maybe, rather than being physical parasites, they could spiritual ones, as some ancient and hostile warp entities that needed to possess physical hosts in order to remain in the materium.
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What about an alliance of humans and two or more different parasetic/symbiotic races?

One symbiotic race I liked from a silly soft sci-fi series is the K'da, a race of tiger-sized reptiles that look like dragons, and can't go for more than six hours without resting on on a host's body almost like a living tattoo. They are usually rather nice though and are actual symbiotes.

Also, one of my friends is saying the Emperor knew the Horus Heresy would happen and everything else from m15 to m41. This is after I told him about the quest, and is this true?
 
Zavvnao said:
What about an alliance of humans and two or more different parasetic/symbiotic races?

One symbiotic race I liked from a silly soft sci-fi series is the K'da, a race of tiger-sized reptiles that look like dragons, and can't go for more than six hours without resting on on a host's body almost like a living tattoo. They are usually rather nice though and are actual symbiotes.

Also, one of my friends is saying the Emperor knew the Horus Heresy would happen and everything else from m15 to m41. This is after I told him about the quest, and is this true?
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From what I read that sounds more like speculation and fan theory.
 
Zavvnao said:
What about an alliance of humans and two or more different parasetic/symbiotic races?

One symbiotic race I liked from a silly soft sci-fi series is the K'da, a race of tiger-sized reptiles that look like dragons, and can't go for more than six hours without resting on on a host's body almost like a living tattoo. They are usually rather nice though and are actual symbiotes.

Also, one of my friends is saying the Emperor knew the Horus Heresy would happen and everything else from m15 to m41. This is after I told him about the quest, and is this true?
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There are actually good members of the Goa'uld called the Tok'ra, who only take willing hosts, and who share their bodies with them equally. If we were still going with the SG theme then they could certainly exist. Of course, the notion of 'good' parasitic xenos seems pretty anathema to the grimdark universe of Warhammer 40k, and the suggestion that the Goa'uld be replaced by some kind of analogue or variant of the soul-devouring Enslavers would make that even more unlikely.

Still, I don't think it's completely beyond the bounds of possibility that there could be friendly symbiotes or warp creatures out there; it's just rather unlikely, and would need a seriously good explanation not to seem contrived or silly in some way.
 
Ptolemy said:
There are actually good members of the Goa'uld called the Tok'ra, who only take willing hosts, and who share their bodies with them equally. If we were still going with the SG theme then they could certainly exist. Of course, the notion of 'good' parasitic xenos seems pretty anathema to the grimdark universe of Warhammer 40k, and the suggestion that the Goa'uld be replaced by some kind of analogue or variant of the soul-devouring Enslavers would make that even more unlikely.

Still, I don't think it's completely beyond the bounds of possibility that there could be friendly symbiotes or warp creatures out there; it's just rather unlikely, and would need a seriously good explanation not to seem contrived or silly in some way.
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Great, now I have the image of Serras wearing a Mythril-Venom symbiote suit in my head and her mass-producing them to serve as armor improvements to the military. Seriously, imagine every PDF mook having faster healing, self-repairing sentient armor, 100 km/h movement speed, and the strength to lift hundreds of kilograms... in addition to advanced weapons and technology.

I know you were talking about something else, but that's just what popped into my head.
 
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Ptolemy said:
Still, I don't think it's completely beyond the bounds of possibility that there could be friendly symbiotes or warp creatures out there; it's just rather unlikely, and would need a seriously good explanation not to seem contrived or silly in some way.
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One reason I brought up the K'da as they seem like genetically engineered reptiles made to protect and serve compatable host races.
Like very well, some Dark Age humans would of wanted a companion that was strong, sentient, able to be stored when not needed, dependent upon humanity, and there for those who may not want to be followed by AI, even before the rebellion.
I could put stuff in spoilers about them if anyone is planning on reading the Dragonback book series.
The K'da where originally from Earth, as the last book revealed. They had originally been kidnapped along with human host in ancient history,
forced to serve as soldiers with their human masters at the mercy of slaver aliens. However, they and another slave race they found where compatible let them sneak around the gigantic slave ship and rebel successfully. However, no human females of the group survived, and the K'da where left believing their original masters where dead for a long time.

I am not trying to bring on even more power creep though. Just talking.
 
Zavvnao said:
you did that
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As I always say, the worst that could happen is that everybody hates it and you are threadbanned.
Ptolemy said:
weird trans-dimensional thing, but rather incorporated SG into 40k
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I would think that both versions of SG1 would be fun. A transdimensional one where Serras lists off all the bullshit that's giong to happen, giving everyone lots ofnfuture knowladge. One where Serras knows that she currently isn't even in the same universe, and the future is different, so she just grabs all the advanced tech. Or incorporated into 40k, with dolmen gates and enslavers.

Zavvnao said:
Also, one of my friends is saying the Emperor knew the Horus Heresy would happen and everything else from m15 to m41. This is after I told him about the quest, and is this true?
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Sounds like tzeenchian BS. Just as planned! Heheheheheh
 
Again any form of soul latching creature would mean, at least for me, would mean increasing soul surgery so we could remove the things
 
Oseanman said:
increasing soul surgery
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We probably should do that anyway, along with a good helping of anti demon tech.

Trek FTL drives!! (Focused on in system FTL)
Modularity
Varied drone tech
Anti warp tech
immaterializer (focused gellar field beam)
Land based gellar field
gellar torpedos?
Chaosproof Android's?​
Ftl communication
Subspace beacon?
Tachyon relay?​
Materials science
Machine soul Creation
Study chaos with goal of giving true death to captured demons.
 
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Mossconfig said:
We probably should do that anyway, along with a good helping of anti demon tech.

Trek FTL drives!! (Focused on in system FTL)
Modularity
Varied drone tech
Anti warp tech
immaterializer (focused gellar field beam)
Land based gellar field
gellar torpedos?
Chaosproof Android's?
Ftl communication
Subspace beacon?
Tachyon relay?
Materials science
Machine soul Creation
Study chaos with goal of giving true death to captured demons.
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Adding to that:

Quantum Entanglement Communicator
Anti-Ork weaponry(biochemical?)
Spoken Rune Language
Cure for Astartes/Primarch infertility
Soul Binding
Anti-possession tech
Time Travel prevention tech



Speaking of time travel, @ilbgar123 is there a chance that we can do something like this:


with Serras' OPPLZNERF psychic powers? Because I really want to just confuse the fuck outta someone with this, preferably some Dark Eldar.
 
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Nicholas Brooks said:
Adding to that:

Quantum Entanglement Communicator
Anti-Ork weaponry(biochemical?)
Spoken Rune Language
Cure for Astartes/Primarch infertility
Soul Binding
Anti-possession tech
Time Travel prevention tech



Speaking of time travel, @ilbgar123 is there a chance that we can do something like this:


with Serras' OPPLZNERF psychic powers? Because I really want to just confuse the fuck outta someone with this, preferably some Dark Eldar.
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So, if I understand the power correctly, it's basically skipping on a record with regards to time. Everyone in the radius of the effect loses all memory of their actions, save the user, allowing him to easily circumvent plans that don't think 12 steps ahead by simple virtue of being able to react to the imminent future with perfect accuracy, and being the only one able to modify his plans on the fly when being fought since no one else recognizes the plan not working until it's too late. Of course, a Primarch or an Ork Warboss would kill him pretty easily by simple virtue of the fact that he can't react in time or hurt them. It's sort of the same problem all prediction-based powers have. Being able to predict the attack only helps so much. Knowing a laser is coming doesn't make it move any slower, and his Stand isn't strong enough to fight off a Primarch. Even Lorgar would basically swat him aside unless he had a boost.

Mossconfig said:
By the emperor, I didn't even think of that.
That would be... troublesome... To fight someone with time travel. But thats exactly the kind of mental conondrum that Serras should be focused on.
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Emps has a few devices set up that he's pretty sure would tell him if anyone made massive changes to the timeline, but nobody's been able to make a reliable time machine, so he's never actually gotten the chance to test it... he thinks.
 
ilbgar123 said:
Emps has a few devices set up that he's pretty sure would tell him if anyone made massive changes to the timeline, but nobody's been able to make a reliable time machine, so he's never actually gotten the chance to test it... he thinks.
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what about warp shenanigans? might as well help him with that...

also is Emps a fan of undertale Sans or something? because that's the only other character in fiction that can do something like that.

other then that add new pysker power!

- Strangely Dog skull shaped Blasters
- Summon Blades that can be either orange or blue and do karma damage based on infamy. (blue means stop, Orange means keep moving)
 
Shark8 said:
The Dark Eldar don't really exist yet, and the advent of Soul Stones so early makes it much less likely they'll ever really exist.
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Do keep in mind that even with the constant threat of having their souls eaten, the Dark Eldar still do their horrific torture-orgies. All they have to do to avoid having to torture people to avoid getting their souls eaten is give up their hedonistic lifestyles. Craftworld Eldar actually get the odd repentant Dark Eldar now and then. Pain Eating is just a convenient way to get some tangible benefit from their horrific atrocities beyond the giggles it gives them. There shouldn't be as many, but expect a minimum of a quarter to stick around because they're just that depraved.
 
RandomDwarf said:
what about warp shenanigans? might as well help him with that...

also is Emps a fan of undertale Sans or something? because that's the only other character in fiction that can do something like that.

other then that add new pysker power!

- Strangely Dog skull shaped Blasters
- Summon Blades that can be either orange or blue and do karma damage based on infamy. (blue means stop, Orange means keep moving)
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I said reliable. People time travel with the Warp all the time, but they have very little control. Even Chaos can't coax the Warp into timetravel with any accuracy, mostly because they can't properly grok the concept of linear time due to their unusual nature.

From the Immaterium's point of view, Slaanesh always existed, they just couldn't act until the last couple hundred years, and they only really became active in the last 50. For this reason, a RESET-style time rewind would simply reduce the Eye of Terror's size if it was set to a point before Slaanesh was born, and Slaanesh would still be around.

Even if it was, say, 12000 BC, the Eye would likely still retain at least a third of it's size. Of course, the Eldar would be in much better shape, both because they have a very obvious 'Holy shit guys, don't be hedonistic or else everything is terrible forever.' and because they wouldn't have fallen as far by that point, both in terms of numbers and military, and culturally.
 
Mossconfig said:
We are asking if Serras could do it herself. I guess not, if only due to the difficulty of a time machine. Maybe make an impure technique using divination and simulations to model a possible future?
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It's not just predicting the future, but it's part of it. Basically, it goes that you see the future and 10 seconds from now, you get punched in the face. In response, you skip time, but the cool part is that while everything in the universe will act according to your prediction, you can move freely and any attacks will phase through you as if they didn't even exist. After the time skip ends, everything forgets what happened during that skipped time since it technically never happened. Trippy, I know.
 
ilbgar123 said:
So, if I understand the power correctly, it's basically skipping on a record with regards to time. Everyone in the radius of the effect loses all memory of their actions, save the user, allowing him to easily circumvent plans that don't think 12 steps ahead by simple virtue of being able to react to the imminent future with perfect accuracy, and being the only one able to modify his plans on the fly when being fought since no one else recognizes the plan not working until it's too late. Of course, a Primarch or an Ork Warboss would kill him pretty easily by simple virtue of the fact that he can't react in time or hurt them. It's sort of the same problem all prediction-based powers have. Being able to predict the attack only helps so much. Knowing a laser is coming doesn't make it move any slower, and his Stand isn't strong enough to fight off a Primarch. Even Lorgar would basically swat him aside unless he had a boost.
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It's not that clear cut. Stands tend to wary a lot in stats and what they mean, speed wise they can be between highway speeds and ftl, plus stands being more or less impervious to regular physics (the stand user can hide inside their stands if I remember correctly) would make any fight between them and a Primarch a toss up between who defeats the other.
 
I wonder if people will NOW go for combat perks. I mean, they sure would be useful against korks!
 
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