An Extra Primarch
- Thread starter ilbgar123
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I am lost with how the vote plans keep changing. It is getting very recursive by now.
I thought I voted for the changed plan.
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yeah I thought so too?
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Sorry, I am sort of lost. It is not your doing or anyone else's.
Maybe I need to understand things better before trying to vote.
Aramis
An unwilling witness
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Then what's the point in him being a Perpetual? What does it add to the story? Why does he need thousands of years of life plus the terminator and the custodes?
These added characters and epic backstory just detract from the original tale of an ant standing up to a mountain.
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I am not goign to defend GW, but maybe I can help lighten this and make it more positive despite GW and their annoying actions.
He was not a modified super-human, like the others where. He was only born with immortality and respawning as a baseline human, while the others had all these "blessings" from the Emperor and Primarchs, made to be more than just human.
Yes, GW could of just left it as a normal human being awesome instead of showing off their Adeptus fetish. But at least he was a normal guy who had seen the horrors of war over thousands of years, seen people die for the stupidest of reasons countless times over, lost close friends for eternity.
While the other two would of charged in after indoctrination and brainwashing, being made to fight, he actively chose to stand up in the end of his own will and unaltered cognition. There was no reason for faith or belief in something greater, or to put things on the line for yet another big, shiny paragon that was going to die like all the rest.
Does this help? I think I am missing something, possibly.
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What he said. His sacrifice represents the last trace of what we could call an unambiguously good and humane version of humanity disappearing forever in the wake of Horus'
Varder
Tired Cultist
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I find it hilarious that you seem to think that technology and industry based bioweapons made by the race of gods of the universe only have infantry at their disposal. If anything, they should have more war machines than we do.
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More like Whipping boys/Machine lubricant.
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I think you're misunderstanding my position; I'm not saying we should bum-rush the planets and drop all of our forces in so we can have a glorious ground-battle. Instead, what I am saying is this: even if we have ultra-superb navel forces (and ours are VERY good) Orks present a problem in that it is easy for them to infest a planet, so much so that they almost "randomly spawn" in 40k. And with their Rok ships they can bombard/invade essentially either on-the-sly or in a destructive orbital bombardment... and that's as a basic ork, with Krorky goodness they're going to be worse. -- And that is why we need good ground-combat capabilities.
Having seen an artillery-barrage of High Explosive rounds, YES!
We should invest in Artillery.
I mean my point was to suggest that we use more artillery in our armies so that we make their number advantage more manageable so I don't get your response. So cool story bro.
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Are Basilisk-Pattern Artillery pieces a thing yet?
Artillery is needed to help cover our ground forces, crowd control, and so on.
We have a little wiggle room to improve our understanding of Ork Biology even. (But that is something I think should be done in a sphere near a star's gravity well inward towards it, away from anything they can escape with. But part of me thinks that is sad and f**ked up compared to just annihilating a dome-full of them ourselves and is a waist of metal.)
I don't hope that much for an anti-ork fungicide or poison, but I think we can make something that can gather the spores up for destruction as they float around. Encourage them to try and grow in what the spores think is a good environment, only to be destroyed.
Can we poach Siege Tank designs off of Mengsk? Or... is he dead right now? Raynor then?
Also, Yamato Canons.
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Mengsk was dead a long time ago in Serras's universe I think.
was he?
In one of the mass polity takeover updates, Mengsk, Raynor, and the Protoss were all found in a three planet system, primarily fending off Orks. I just don't remember if Mengsk was dead at the time, or actively opposing Raynor+'Toss.
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With our technology and the Emperors technology we arent limited to canon weaponry, no matter how powerful it is. So we could easily build things much more powerful than the Basilisk.
One of the main reasons DaoT Humanity weapons like disintergrator, conversion, grav, volkite and phased plasma-fusil weapons were uncommon, despite Emps and plenty of pre-heresy magos knowing how to build them, was due to how hard they were to construct when compared to las, plas and Bolter weapons.
Replicators have made this issue null and void.
If we could get Emps to send us the schematics for the advanced pre-fall human weapons we could design aircraft, void craft and ground vehicles that would make anything in canon WH40K cry in fear.
Imagine a 20KM long battleship bristling not with the canon weapons, but with batteries of disintergrator and conversion beam weapons as its main armoury, with a couple of Nova cannons and multiple layers of incredibly thick armour, multiple layers of shielding and multiple banks of secondary and tertiary batteries made up of torpedoes and missiles with a variety of advanced warheads, phased-plasma fusil and/or disintegrator and/or conversion beam weapons and more energy based point defense than you could shake a million sticks at.
It would be unstoppable. The only ones who could stand against it would be the Necrons and maybe the Tyranids if they used their numbers to their advantage.
Or imagine the standard pattern baneblade with weapons that could blow holes the size of Abbadons ego in a Warlord class titan.
And replicators as well as stellar bellows and our massive dedicated orbital manufactorums and forge worlds would make building such ships and vehicles easy, compared to the canon imperium that built large capital ships pretty slowly.
We could make the Baneblade and its derivatives the main vehicle family used by the Imperial Guard instead of the Leman Russ tank family. The latter could be used as 'light' support for the main mechanised force if they arent just relegated to PDF forces.
Hell, Pre-heresy humanity could, despite its weakened state, build behemoth ships such as the Phalanx without much issue, so I find this talk of building small ships in limited numbers somewhat hilarious. We arent and should exactly be strapped for resources or industrial capacity. We have almost 400 worlds for hells sake, with not an insignificant number of forge worlds.
If the Tau can build fleets that can go toe to toe with the Eldar, Necrons and Imperium at the same time with only 30 planets, we can build much better with almost 400.
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Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
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We might need to raise our SL Level with him up to 5 first.
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might reconsider if we tell him full on krorks with a war moon is next to us
Jordisk
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But we don't want to talk to him too often until he has control of Sol, or at least Terra.
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actually if we do tell him we are hunting down krork pockets he might give us it ALL, this way he does not have to rush his great crusade!
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Though to be honest he might actually start considering the banning of Replicators seeing as those (and crystals and extensive war exp) are the reasons why Cogsmasher's Waagh would be seen as a galactic tier threat. Or at least in the long term.