It's not just that he wins, it's that he knows to get out when he won't win. He's pretty much guaranteed to get away this time, because Bonesaw is a higher priority for teleport blocking.
Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 18: Ravaging Rapscallions Rapidly Regret Regular Rampages
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Going out for a bit so putting up vote skeletons. Not quite final yet, especially the Bonesaw priority version.
Jack priority Plan
[ ] Docks Shelter: Marrow, Weaver, Alexandria, Legend
[ ] Street King Castle: Slate, Maestro, Feral, Kid Win, Bladedancer, Who/Suzy, PRT Officers
[ ] Boulder Builder Mountain: Wyld, Skein, Inquisition, Weld, Gully, Willow, Chevalier
[ ] PRT Downtown Headquarters: Narwhal, Clockblocker
[ ] Philadelphia General Hospital: Miss Militia, Bulldozer, Gallant
Bonesaw priority Plan
[ ] Docks Shelter: Marrow, Weaver, Alexandria, Legend
[ ] Street King Castle: Bladedancer, Chevalier, PRT Officers
[ ] Boulder Builder Mountain: Wyld, Skein, Inquisition, Slate, Maestro, Feral, Weld, Kid Win, Willow,
[ ] PRT Downtown Headquarters: Narwhal, Clockblocker, Gully
[ ] Philadelphia General Hospital: Miss Militia, Bulldozer, Gallant
[ ] EOA - Free Action: Assign Gust to air support for all fights while he blasts away the stink bomb on his way up and out. Don't explicitly distribute IEU, allow her to use her War to best allocate it instead of micromanaging.
[ ] FPoP - Free Action: Arm Bladedancer with adamant shards as she deploys. Watch hilarity ensue when Shatterbird's Scream tries to affect adamant and she collapses from the headache.
[ ] EOA - 6 XP - Ally (Wyld) ●●○○○
Changed Bladedancer over to Jack Slash, and set Miss Militia to the Hospital where she can get the response better organized.
Don't have enough XP to buy anything else, but the Ally dots should make sure that Wyld doesn't fall completely into Bonesaw's trap should things go to hell.
Jack priority Plan
[ ] Docks Shelter: Marrow, Weaver, Alexandria, Legend
[ ] Street King Castle: Slate, Maestro, Feral, Kid Win, Bladedancer, Who/Suzy, PRT Officers
[ ] Boulder Builder Mountain: Wyld, Skein, Inquisition, Weld, Gully, Willow, Chevalier
[ ] PRT Downtown Headquarters: Narwhal, Clockblocker
[ ] Philadelphia General Hospital: Miss Militia, Bulldozer, Gallant
Bonesaw priority Plan
[ ] Docks Shelter: Marrow, Weaver, Alexandria, Legend
[ ] Street King Castle: Bladedancer, Chevalier, PRT Officers
[ ] Boulder Builder Mountain: Wyld, Skein, Inquisition, Slate, Maestro, Feral, Weld, Kid Win, Willow,
[ ] PRT Downtown Headquarters: Narwhal, Clockblocker, Gully
[ ] Philadelphia General Hospital: Miss Militia, Bulldozer, Gallant
[ ] EOA - Free Action: Assign Gust to air support for all fights while he blasts away the stink bomb on his way up and out. Don't explicitly distribute IEU, allow her to use her War to best allocate it instead of micromanaging.
[ ] FPoP - Free Action: Arm Bladedancer with adamant shards as she deploys. Watch hilarity ensue when Shatterbird's Scream tries to affect adamant and she collapses from the headache.
[ ] EOA - 6 XP - Ally (Wyld) ●●○○○
Changed Bladedancer over to Jack Slash, and set Miss Militia to the Hospital where she can get the response better organized.
Don't have enough XP to buy anything else, but the Ally dots should make sure that Wyld doesn't fall completely into Bonesaw's trap should things go to hell.
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
For Jack, winning is defined as getting out alive.
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
I would vote for this plan here. Seems quite reasonable.
No they weren't.
Narwhal does not do platforms.
I would appreciate a citation to the contrary.
I don't expect them to kill Jack, though it would be nice.
I am hoping for them to fight him to a standstill, deny him the opportunity to kidnap more capes, frag his drones, and possibly kill/cripple Shatterbird.
Basically, degrade his forces.
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And survive.
Very important, that.
Disagree.
There is literally nothing of value to us or the city of Philadelphia at the Street King base besides the people.
We can afford to lose the battle there as long as we don't lose people to him.
And anyone with a good rifle can kill Shatterbird; if MM gets a good shot off, she can put her out of our misery.
Or our reserves can pull off a long-range snipe once we disable Hatchet Job.
Crawler and Siberian, OTOH, are the two members currently preventing us from giving Mr Jacob Slash our Personal Attention.
Killing Crawler alone frees up 2-3 capes to go hunting.
Yeah, you're probably right about this.
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I think people are underestimating Shatterbird if we send a ground team that isn't all brutes they'd need either Narwal to protect them or a flier (Legend, Alexandria, Gust with IEU) to cover them. Slate's power might protect the tinker tech but it isn't going to stop Shatterbird from raining glass into the clouds indiscriminately.
I've said this before, but honestly I'd put Who/Suzy at the Docks Shelter. She's not very useful in the fights, and the drones can track her. However, with Suzy she's mobile, and she could scout for Manton and we can stunt her into finding him rather than being in the direct line of fire. Manton keeps his true identity secret from most of the Nine, so he shouldn't have an additional defenses - without the Siberian helping him, he's just a squishy human.
Something like this:
- Aisha was on the hunt. The Siberian was a projection, and Weaver had a few ideas where the Master might be hiding. Aisha cautiously approached a beat up van with out of state plates parked in a back alley. She heard laughter from within. "...just like I did to Hero!" Aisha grinned, giving Suzy a command. "Rip off the doors."
Street King's Castle means it's a mostly terrestrial fight.
Skylining herself to rain glass from the skies means she's vulnerable to either a sniper from the ground(Thank you Hannah) or Legend pulling a flyby at Mach 1.
Gromweld
Learning By Mistake
NOTES:
- I have removed the PRT Officers listing, as they are Extras and thus are better targets for Stunts than for a detailed vote listing. If we want PRT dudes helping any group, Stunt them in.
- Lockstep is not listed for a reason.
- I have removed the PRT Officers listing, as they are Extras and thus are better targets for Stunts than for a detailed vote listing. If we want PRT dudes helping any group, Stunt them in.
- Lockstep is not listed for a reason.
Yes. Crawler can bash through her forcefields fairly quickly, and dicing him into little bits does nothing - he regenerates faster than she can cut him apart.
No, Bulldozer has a basic human-ish anatomy, and would still be fairly capable within a power-nullifcation field (just no regen, super-strength, or building-demolishing powers).
Hatchet Face wins, mostly because his aura is generally farther-reaching than Slate makes his smoke. If Slate was far enough away he could smother Hatchet Face, but HF's power wouldn't be diminished at all.
Lisa linking together data is how she feeds her shards questions for it to answer, but the shard pulls its data from reality itself. Basically, the shard has all the answers and is just waiting for Lisa to ask the right questions - with the added twist that the shard will deliberately screw up the answers if the questions aren't right. It's all couched in a 'logical deduction' facade, but it's pretty damn clear that the shard is capable of pushing answers when she isn't even intentionally asking for them - she wouldn't have to go into sensory deprivation to sleep when her power gets bad, otherwise.
Yes, I have considered what would/will happen should something like this occur.
What is our exact reason to keep both Legend and Alexandria at the Docks Shelter? We eill keep both Marrow and Weaver there and having four of our heavy hitters in the same place seems like a waste. Especially if one of them could be used as a roving fire support/reinforcement to other places. I don't think we have a reasonable chance to finish off the two most resilient S9 members fast, even with a lot of brute force. If we want to identify Manton, one of them should suffice (preferably Alexandria, because they haven't seen the guy in years so split-second identification might need some Thinker help.).
Fair enough.
So dead, disabled or subverted.
Poor Kenny.
Hmm.
Looks like we should probably swap her out with Bulldozer, who actually has regen and superstrength.
Apply IEU to supercharge his biology.
QUESTION
How fast can Crawler move if displaced to, say Trenton New Jersey?
Or a couple hundred miles offshore?
Because I'm wondering if removing him from the battlefield is an option for Alexandria or Gust.
In other words, he'd be alive but neutered until the Trump effect waned.
Thanks.
Best to kill that fucker ASAP.
Best to use explosives or >.50 BMG weaponry then, given the briefing listing HF as possessing regen and "has survived headshots before".
Pretty sure grenade launchers have been issued to the rank and file for this.
But he's the reason I'm keeping Legend in reserve on my own draft.
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Grenade launchers would have to get through his tough Brute-y exterior whereas an Anti-material rifle loaded with Raufoss MK 211 .50 HEIAP (High Explosive Incendiary/Armor-Piercing) would explode his brains from the inside out
She shouldn't have to skyline herself to throw glass around and no one without a brute rating or power armor can hang around a hailstorm of glass. Taylor is our only (non-Triumvirate) ranged combatant that doesn't need line of sight to attack.
Thats... Not how it works in canon at all. She asks it questions, but if the answer to said question relies on her having a specific piece of data to uncover, and she doesn't have that data, then she doesn't uncover it.
Otherwise she'd just be able to use it like PTV.
I'm not seeing the connection here.
What does the shard acting on information lisa is picking up subconsciously, then working on that information when she's much prefer it to shut the hell up and let her sleep, have to do with omniscience?
Her shard deducing things is what keeps her up at night, because she can't stop thinking. If she doesn't actually need to deduce anything, then why would it bother her? she'd just ask a question by accident, then get an answer and it would be over. Her shard wouldn't be spending hours poking at the problem while she'd rather be sleeping.
Are you saying that, because her shard is constantly working in the background, drawing in every piece of data that she ever sees or hears and using that to give her information she doesn't want, about things she never asked, that she doesn't NEED that data in order to get said answers?
As I understood it, Tattletale's Process works like this.
subconscious.
Step 1: Lisa looks at a lamp,
Step 2: Lisa's shard starts scanning through everything she knows about said lamp, from where she got it, to what she remembers from that one glimpse she caught of the makers mark on the base, that one time when she knocked it over.
Step 3: Shard uses all information to pinpoint where lamp was made, and when.
Step 4: Shard tells Lisa, who tells it to shut the fuck up because she's trying to sleep.
Conscious
step 1: Lisa looks at lamp.
Step 2: Lisa starts deliberately thinking up everything she knows about said lamp.
Step 3: Shard uses all information to deduce when and where the lamp was made.
Step 4: Shard Tells Lisa.
What you are suggesting seems to be
Step 1: Lisa looks at/decides to scan Lamp.
Step 2: Lisa's shard asks god where the lamp came from
Step 3: Lisa's shard decides whether to fuck with her or not for some arbitrary reason.
Step 4: Lisa's shard provides answer.
That's the sort of absurd "all shards know everything and are just fucking with everyone" sort of wank-characterization that people normally give PtV or Leet's shard.
I've never seen anything supporting that theory at all, certainly not the canon material and frankly if it does turn out to be true, i'd lose a lot of respect for Wildbow.
Having your characters have their powers just outright ask reality what the answer is instead of working it out for themselves greatly cheapens the skills and creativity of the characters using them, and it's lame to boot.
Contessa gets a free pass (but not really) because she's incredibly broken, both as a character and as a person.
Some other "see the future" types can do similar things, but they all have severe limits and "see the future" as their entire glmmick.
Going from "sherlock scan deduction powers" directly to "she taps into the Root, Natsuverse style and it answers all her questions" seems a bit of a leap, don't you think?
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A contact grenade packs about 200 grams of TNT in a tight package.
I'll take one of those over a HEAP round.
Or simply go Russian and explode his/her lungs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon#Development_history
If she doesn't skyline herself, she remains within infantry engagement range.
She can't have it both ways.
This isn't her AoE fuck everything attack.
This is directional, requires LOS to attack, and to see who she's attacking, which means she can be hit back.
And while she's moderately Brute-y, heavy weapons will fuck up your entire day.
And you can't armor your lungs.
dpara
slightly confused ascendant
(all from 30.6)
"I got the one-horned woman who glittered with forcefields, then changed direction."
"The forcefield woman sandwiched each of us between two forcefields, then willed them forwards. We left the stuffed lizard behind."
"The woman with the forcefield scales used her power. Another sandwich of crystalline fields, the more secure way to hold someone, and she hauled the reality-warper out of the other group, into my range. Another forcefield caught a boy with glowing hair."
"I couldn't control them while they were outside of my range, so I'd do something cruder, instead.
I chose their faces, and then I seated them on the crystalline forcefields, binding them in place with the connection man.
I scattered them into the sky. Each one rooted to a forcefield platform."
It is not entirely certain, but I feel confident in assuming that Narwhal created the platforms (since she can also "grab" people and was the only? forcefield cape in Taylors group at the time).
Though admittely the platforms could have been bean sized.
All in all I keep my desire to send Narwhal against Jack,.. though her catching Mannequin would be pretty hilarious.
mmh let's assume we don't send Alexandria against Crawler (and Weld/Juggernaut instead) .. if we send her against Jack, he can't do diddly ditto Bonesaw (out of costume of course with bonesaw).
Fiddycal? Forget it, grab that one 20mm rifle.
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Pretty sure Narwhal doesn't need line of sight. She can create forcefields inside of people, which she can't see, so can also probably create them blind at an arbitrary point within her range. OTOH, she doesn't really have a targeting method without line of sight.
Narwhal should go to Street King Castle. She is the leader of an organisation that specialises in S-class situations and she is famous for being able to slice people up with a thought. If there is a person that can make the villain capes there work together despite Jacks interference it is her. I would put her there together with Miss Militia and a couple of PRT snipers. With IEU Narwhal should be able to both guard them against Jack and Shatterbird and give them some mobility, and they should have enough firepower to kill them or to force a teleport. They are a bit fragile if Hatchetface appears but if we have Legend on standby he shouldnt be a threat.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Are we doing the "everybody wears identical hazmat suits over their costumes" thing? I'm half-expecting that our motonic brain will be able to get it past Jack, which would give us maybe two or three good surprises. Like Bonesaw trying and failing to tele-hug Wyld.
Now that I think about it, is it really that bad if Bonesaw manages a successful tele-hug on someone like Wyld or Weld? They'd end up in the Twins' dimension, sure... and then Bonesaw and all her plagues would be either hugging a Striker 8 or trapped there and Weld can grind her into paste and we sterilize the place with a nuke later. Even better, it'd deny the travel dimension to Jack: "If you try to twin out, you get infected and dead". Only issue would be losing a twin (
) and having trouble retrieving whoever's in there with Bonesaw's corpse.
Now that I think about it, is it really that bad if Bonesaw manages a successful tele-hug on someone like Wyld or Weld? They'd end up in the Twins' dimension, sure... and then Bonesaw and all her plagues would be either hugging a Striker 8 or trapped there and Weld can grind her into paste and we sterilize the place with a nuke later. Even better, it'd deny the travel dimension to Jack: "If you try to twin out, you get infected and dead". Only issue would be losing a twin (
) and having trouble retrieving whoever's in there with Bonesaw's corpse.
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