[X] Leave the situation be until you can figure out better methods (No change)
Yeah, we really need improved teaching methods. Preferably several levels of it.

[X] Deal with the Recyclers first.
 
[X] Leave the situation be until you can figure out better methods (No change)

[X] Deal with the Free Volunteers first
 
Oh. Awesome. Somebody is building enhanced cyborg psykers. Close enough to set off Grave Keeper's protection. Who appears to have just casually kicked their ass and sauntered off with a corpse their comrades almost certainly do not want anyone to have. Yay.

@Academia Nut : is the biological material in the jars a genetic match for the host? Has it been modified? Is it even human? When we throw it in one of the cloning systems, exactly how many city blocks collapse into a spinning maw of screaming darkness?
 
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@Academia Nut: Did you ever give a reward for that, or was it too short?

I might have simply forgotten that it existed. I tend to catch up on the thread at breakfast, so if something was posted while I was asleep it has an unfortunate tendency to slip away from me. If anyone posted an omake in the past couple that you don't see on the index post, just point me in its direction.

@Academia Nut - what would networking all of our Archival Tools together actually do?

When someone enters something into their Archival Tool, it gets shared with every other Archival Tool in the network, with automatically generated citations and notes about contradictory information. As the shared database grows it will let you know more when you add something, and will also be able to bring up any issues (the information is of a dubious source or is known to be bad with citations from accepted sources). Further boosts to research will just be part of it. There are, of course, also social engineering possibilities.

Call it the Omnipedia. And yes, you can also read ominous into that.

P.S. Can't the scientists record their knowledge down instead of teaching it to students so that it isn't lost even if they die?

Yes, the can and do, it is just that they are sort of having a melt down. They were so used to having all of this knowledge and experience at their fingertips, and now it is all dead words on a screen missing half the information and context. It used to be that they could fairly easily schedule things call up other experts and have a quick chat about damn near anything. Now they are desperately scrambling to make sure that all the stuff in their heads is passed on and not just written down.

They are, also, really bad teachers for the most part.

@Academia Nut : is the biological material in the jars a genetic match for the host? Has it been modified? Is it even human? When we throw it in one of the cloning systems, exactly how many city blocks collapse into a spinning maw of screaming darkness?

The material in the extra brains was too badly decayed to make any sort of match. The body had clearly been dead for more than a few days and appears to have died from being set on fire.
 
ok... i think there is another omake about the 504's, maybe we can get another intel report about it...

by the way, can anyone point me at the Machine Head intel reward?
 
The material in the extra brains was too badly decayed to make any sort of match. The body had clearly been dead for more than a few days and appears to have died from being set on fire.

So we can conclude from the propagation pattern that the burns were thermal, rather than chemical or electrical, occurred before death, and actually did the killing instead of something like smoke inhalation?

Any other injuries?
 
When someone enters something into their Archival Tool, it gets shared with every other Archival Tool in the network, with automatically generated citations and notes about contradictory information. As the shared database grows it will let you know more when you add something, and will also be able to bring up any issues (the information is of a dubious source or is known to be bad with citations from accepted sources). Further boosts to research will just be part of it. There are, of course, also social engineering possibilities.

Call it the Omnipedia. And yes, you can also read ominous into that.



Yes, the can and do, it is just that they are sort of having a melt down. They were so used to having all of this knowledge and experience at their fingertips, and now it is all dead words on a screen missing half the information and context. It used to be that they could fairly easily schedule things call up other experts and have a quick chat about damn near anything. Now they are desperately scrambling to make sure that all the stuff in their heads is passed on and not just written down.

They are, also, really bad teachers for the most part.
So effectively they're the pure researchers who routinely work and think in more esoteric terms, who of course, aren't much good at teaching anybody who's not already as informed as they are, and going from a hyperlinked, indexed smart Wikipedia system that feeds data as needed to twenty incomplete, jumbled encyclopedias in as many languages with entire alphabet sections scorched out of existence?
 
So we can conclude from the propagation pattern that the burns were thermal, rather than chemical or electrical, occurred before death, and actually did the killing instead of something like smoke inhalation?

Any other injuries?

The cause of death appears to extensive burns and inhalation of flame, although not from any sort of fuel sticking to the target. Possibly immersion in the flame of some sort of burning gas or exposure to a semi-diffuse hot plasma, although the latter is somewhat unlikely because of a lack of distinct burns that come from the ionization of the plasma creating differential patterns due to conductivity, particularly on such a cyberized individual.

So effectively they're the pure researchers who routinely work and think in more esoteric terms, who of course, aren't much good at teaching anybody who's not already as informed as they are, and going from a hyperlinked, indexed smart Wikipedia system that feeds data as needed to twenty incomplete, jumbled encyclopedias in as many languages with entire alphabet sections scorched out of existence?

That's a fairly good analogy yes, although not quite with the different language thing. And more to the point, they have been selecting for people who follow their same sort of thought patterns and teaching methods because that is what they have been training and looking for.
 
Ah, thank you @butchock!

Okay, now I remember some things, like the fact that I really need to buckle down and draw out a map.

@sebsmith your work is a bit confusing to track due to a lack of identifiers when speaking, but that can be tricky to do so that is more of a piece of constructive criticism. Other than that you have identified some of the education issues quite nicely. As for the expedition, it doesn't quite fit due to the fact that you know what is down the railway: the Free Volunteers.

The line you are on is roughly (out to the part I have actually mapped in my head):

Heartwood Hearth - Six Pillars - Librarian's Nook - Amethyst Gardens - Glenshade Manor - Greengraft - Shattersaw

With Librarian's Nook and Greengraft both being on spur lines. The Librarian's Nook one terminates there, while the Greengraft line continues on to end at a known pile tree grove.

For sebsmith and @Slamu I will try to figure out some sort of rewards for you in the near future. Oh, and one thing to remember Slamu is that while Darren Yaros was essentially a slave as a Janissary, he was at worst working class and very possibly middle class in his previous life before the starbombs, so his origins needn't be too humble, although I can still go with what was presented.
 
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Warpflames. Possibly wielded by Grave Keeper. Yay.



The cause of death appears to extensive burns and inhalation of flame, although not from any sort of fuel sticking to the target. Possibly immersion in the flame of some sort of burning gas or exposure to a semi-diffuse hot plasma, although the latter is somewhat unlikely because of a lack of distinct burns that come from the ionization of the plasma creating differential patterns due to conductivity, particularly on such a cyberized individual.

No radioactivity? Damage-to-depth pattern and burning in the lungs inconsistent with a laser or microwave weapon? We're certain that the decay occurred significantly after fiery death, rather than, say, in a dramatically accelerated fashion before or simultaneous with it? Did they have anything distinctive in their stomach or intestines?
 
When someone enters something into their Archival Tool, it gets shared with every other Archival Tool in the network, with automatically generated citations and notes about contradictory information. As the shared database grows it will let you know more when you add something, and will also be able to bring up any issues (the information is of a dubious source or is known to be bad with citations from accepted sources). Further boosts to research will just be part of it. There are, of course, also social engineering possibilities.

Call it the Omnipedia. And yes, you can also read ominous into that.

I suggest that we put safeguards on any computer system that we create that could become self-aware or corrupted, we DON'T want another case like the men of iron on our hands do we? As for the Social engineering I have only one word to say, "Excellent"
 
No radioactivity? Damage-to-depth pattern and burning in the lungs inconsistent with a laser or microwave weapon? We're certain that the decay occurred significantly after fiery death, rather than, say, in a dramatically accelerated fashion before or simultaneous with it? Did they have anything distinctive in their stomach or intestines?

No radioactivity.

Does not appear to be laser or microwave weapons, the burns are consistent with fire.

Impossible to tell. Decay appears to have occurred in a normal pattern rather than any sort of abnormal one.

No.

I suggest that we put safeguards on any computer system that we create that could become self-aware or corrupted, we DON'T want another case like the men of iron on our hands do we? As for the Social engineering I have only one word to say, "Excellent"

You don't actually know that there might be any problems with the Men of Iron, which as far as you know are the Guardian Systems for advanced, well settled worlds and for major military expeditions.
 
The line you are on is roughly (out to the part I have actually mapped in my head):

Heartwood Hearth - Six Pillars - Librarian's Nook - Amethyst Gardens - Glenshade Manor - Greengraft - Shattersaw

With Librarian's Nook and Greengraft both being on spur lines. The Librarian's Nook one terminates there, while the Greengraft line continues on to end at a known pile tree grove.
You know, this is why I've asked for a map.

I'd been assuming that Glenshade Manor and Greengraft were on separate lines from Shattersaw. If we can go from one to the other without having to go into Shattersaw then some previously mentioned complaints hold less water.
 
It is impossible to get from Shattersaw to Glenshade Manor without passing by the spur to Greengraft. Glenshade Manor was introduced by going in the opposite direction from Shattersaw. There are no hostile forces between you and Glenshade Manor, it is entirely territory under your control.
 
Although, I suppose this is a good time to realize the extent of some confusion: I have dithered on getting a map because movement is all linear: you are either going towards Shattersaw or you are going away from it, and the two other rail lines branching off from Shattersaw are wholly controlled by the Dragonflies and 504s, so you can't just go poking around without their permission. Thus it has been "Well, do you want to go up the line or down the line?" and there has been little need in my head to draw that out.
 
Although, I suppose this is a good time to realize the extent of some confusion: I have dithered on getting a map because movement is all linear: you are either going towards Shattersaw or you are going away from it, and the two other rail lines branching off from Shattersaw are wholly controlled by the Dragonflies and 504s, so you can't just go poking around without their permission. Thus it has been "Well, do you want to go up the line or down the line?" and there has been little need in my head to draw that out.

Well, our Jaeger program and portable sap purification means that we have the ability to move through the forest and poke around, say, the Machine Heads, right?
 
I mean, we've gone on expeditions over there before, right? I mean, that's what the whole 'Fight forestry Mechs, lose SAW' thing was about.

Yeah, and it took you weeks of marching to get anywhere. On foot on the smooth, even ground of the rail tunnels it takes about five days to get from Greengraft to Shattersaw, and three weeks from Greengraft to Glenshade Manor, which has been a persistent problem through the whole game, only mitigated once you got enough vehicles up and running to reduce many of those times down to hours or days for small groups.
 
Part of the benefit of having the primary connection between communities be rail lines is that we can get a decent sense of the relations between places with just a subway map. Thus I made a quick draft map, with this tool. Given a more detailed description, I'd be happy to make a more detailed map. On the other hand, I found the site pretty simple to use, and so might you.
 
@Academia Nut - What level of cybernetics will we need to research to make implant versions of any personal equipment that we have or may find in the future, such as the Archive Tool? What would we need to do to get the rail-lines operational again and what would be the game effect of that?
 
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