This is a malicious little strawman you've cooked up here. It was made clear that he's highly untrained, we know NOTHING about his personality, and it's been stated many times already in this thread that warding/banishing sorcery works on the exact same principles as summoning/binding sorcery. So no, sending this dude back with half-filled-in knowledge and no training is NOT going to increase our chances of Dia being okay. It's going to blow up in our goddamn faces in approximately 99% of all hypothetical outcomes.

Trying to suggest that we don't love our mother because we're not going along with your ridiculous and uninformed plan is just petty and transparent.

Making arguments is fine, but base them on the merits of the plan, don't try to bully people into them.
We know Dia is going to have a incident while we are gone . AN has told us this.
 
Guys anything that is going to benefit us and allow us to survive the worst time in human history is going to carry significant risk . The really advance technology is behind AI research.

Dandriss can one day kill everyone or give us the ability to fight demons.

We need Dia to be stable when we get back. Because if we don 't we will have to run the country instead of working on Mirande powers. Yes it is a risk but without risk no reward.
We know Dia is going to have a incident while we are gone . AN has told us this.
In this case, the risk exceeds the reward. If Dia does break down while he's there, then she'll have a court sorcerer. That would be capital B Bad.
 
You can't base a vote decision on "I want to keep Dia alive, so I'll take a 90+% risk of catastrophic failure over letting nature take it's course,"(which AN has said may not even be enough to cause her to break in the first place).
 
He will have nothing else but what we teach him. He will not be a fully trained sorcery.
That is the point

Summoning Daemons is like...Sorcery 1. All you need is enough power, and if you don't have the power you can make it up in blood. Or emotion. Or desperation
Actually safe wards is like Sorcery 5. It takes a lot of skill to make a safe, stable ward.

A half trained sorceror is far more dangerous to Dia than the corruption already in her.
 
That is the point

Summoning Daemons is like...Sorcery 1. All you need is enough power, and if you don't have the power you can make it up in blood. Or emotion. Or desperation
Actually safe wards is like Sorcery 5. It takes a lot of skill to make a safe, stable ward.

A half trained sorceror is far more dangerous to Dia than the corruption already in her.

This. Yes. Many times this.
 
In order to learn who to create the wards, he would also have to know how to invert them to create twisted monstrosities and daemon weapons.
Is that in Dark Heresy book? Because it only mentions containing warp energy in the update when it talks about it.

Also these is a suggestion and you guys are acting like we are going to do it .

Yes it is a risk but if we want to treat or prevent corruption in the populace we will most likely have to teach sorcery. Because what else do we have that is available to us ?
 
That is the point

Summoning Daemons is like...Sorcery 1. All you need is enough power, and if you don't have the power you can make it up in blood. Or emotion. Or desperation
Actually safe wards is like Sorcery 5. It takes a lot of skill to make a safe, stable ward.

A half trained sorceror is far more dangerous to Dia than the corruption already in her.
Ok has An said this because a lot of people on this thread like me make assumptions. We do not know unless AN says so.
 
That is a commonly known fact that's been explained in very great detail repeatedly in this thread alone. You cannot teach Sanctic Sorcery without also producing a very skilled Malefic Sorceror.

There's a reason that Sanctic Sorcery is only taught to proven uncorruptibles.
 
Is that in Dark Heresy book? Because it only mentions containing warp energy in the update when it talks about it.

Also these is a suggestion and you guys are acting like we are going to do it .

Yes it is a risk but if we want to treat or prevent corruption in the populace we will most likely have to teach sorcery. Because what else do we have that is available to us ?

We're just all very, very sure that teaching the untrained psyker to also be an untrained sorcerer is basically the biggest "Kick me" sign that you can paint in Warhammer.
 
AN explicitly said these are pentagrammic wards we're using to shield corruption, and we know what those are in w40k.

Regardless this isn't the time for this conversation.
 
That is a commonly known fact that's been explained in very great detail repeatedly in this thread alone. You cannot teach Sanctic Sorcery without also producing a very skilled Malefic Sorceror.

There's a reason that Sanctic Sorcery is only taught to proven uncorruptibles.
Yes but has AN said that a lot of people have said things about Santic sorcery but has AN.
 
Yes but has AN said that a lot of people have said things about Santic sorcery but has AN.

. While cleaning things up isn't quite as easy as just reversing the polarity for the methods to make things shittier, it is actually terrifyingly close actually. Terrifying because that also meant that the opposite was true.

mind edit it is not just for the index
Right now it isn't for anything, because the only thing we can use it for is forgetfulness.
 
If we learn it we can push it.

You realize that you are now suggesting we push a mind-altering power so that we can (reversibly) overwrite the personality of someone we just met, who may have underlying trauma/psychological issues/mutations of some sort, so that we can send him off as an untrained psyker and amateur sorcerer to interact with our already corruption-afflicted mother.

The points of failure are now more than I can count on one hand. And they're all MAJOR vulnerabilities, not even niche cases.
 
You realize that you are now suggesting we push a mind-altering power so that we can (reversibly) overwrite the personality of someone we just met, who may have underlying trauma/psychological issues/mutations of some sort, so that we can send him off as an untrained psyker and amateur sorcerer to interact with our already corruption-afflicted mother.

The points of failure are now more than I can count on one hand. And they're all MAJOR vulnerabilities, not even niche cases.
I do not think you are reading what I am writing. We can use mind edit to impart knowledge. Yes it will carry risk, but no one is offering a alternative to helping Dia while we are on the quest.
 
I do not think you are reading what I am writing. We can use mind edit to impart knowledge. Yes it will carry risk, but no one is offering a alternative to helping Dia while we are on the quest.

So we transfer knowledge without high level telepathy to make it secure and risk giving him some of OUR corruption along with it? Not actually better, and still leaves all of the other IMMENSE risks (Which are much bigger than the chance that Dia goes nuclear if left to her own devices).
 
So we transfer knowledge without high level telepathy to make it secure and risk giving him some of OUR corruption along with it? Not actually better, and still leaves all of the other IMMENSE risks (Which are much bigger than the chance that Dia goes nuclear if left to her own devices).
Yes ! Everything carry risk, everything. We are going to have to train someone and trust someone. If this guy is trustworthy we can train him.
 
Yes ! Everything carry risk, everything. We are going to have to train someone and trust someone. If this guy is trustworthy we can train him.
1. Why would we train this guy in sorcery over anyone else? He's already a psyker, that just makes it easier for Daemons to influence him.

2. How would we know if he's trustworthy? Even if we read his mind, people lie to themselves all the time. All we'd get is that he thinks he's trustworthy. We've only just met him, seriously.
 
Yes ! Everything carry risk, everything. We are going to have to train someone and trust someone. If this guy is trustworthy we can train him.

Everything carries risk, but this carries risk that is MASSIVELY greater than its reward.

And we need to EVENTUALLY train people to do sorcery. It shouldn't be while we're on the road doing the gravequest, and it certainly shouldn't be someone we've just met and don't know AT ALL yet.
 
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