A Villain In A World Of Heroes

That's magical ice dude.
That's like saying that when you have a chocolate shell covering an ice cream cone, the ice cream cone is made out of pure chocolate.
For someone accusing me of not reading your posts, you seem to do a lot of that yourself.

The hallway would have been too small for something that large to turn around, and we were supposed to tire it out by knocking it deeper into the hallway with our spells as it tries to back peddle out of the hall, something not at all easy if we targeted it's legs, and then drown it once the ice melted.
Where do we get the measurements for the tunnel? Are you really going to believe that Ness would give us a tunnel trap to trick this dragon into, rather than one that it could turn around in?
What gave you that idea? That riddle could have just given us an escape route, or maybe we got it right and we don't know the effects as of yet. Dark Ness shouldn't tell us.
This is a point.
Yes, which it'd still have, or the square cube law would utterly wreck this abomination against natural laws.
If you honestly thought it was a warmblooded creature biologically, why would it do this in what appears to be a climate controlled room?
For the same reason a coldblooded one would; it's a comfortable place to sit down and wait for idiots to come to you.

It's a reptile, reptiles are cold blooded. Think about it, it stays in a single room for extended periods of time, requiring less food and drink then most creatures that size would. All cold blooded creatures run off less energy then warm blooded creatures, a dragon's biology at first glance and it's habits suggest cold blooded.
It's magic, your understandings of biology are worse than useless, except in noting where they don't apply. Biology is different than appearance, and dragons are not creatures that care about such things.
By magic. It creates it with magic. It doesn't store it inside it's body of some silliness like that.
Yes, of course. The point here is that it still has some magic.
You don't have to if it's cold blooded.

Even if you are right about the fire, which you aren't, then what's keeping the dragon warm now that it's gone?
Simple; it's not gone. Can it breathe fire? No. Can it warm itself up using the multiple options available to it, from cellular processes to innate arcane shenanigans? Yes.
No, the fact that you have to dodge its attacks every other second does. Kiteing requires you to stay out of harms way while maintaining distance. If you studied any war tactics you would know this.
Once again, this is irrelevant. Kiting is, for the purpose of this conversation, attacking something while staying out of it's attacking range so that you don't take damage.
An you calling me an idiot right off the bat and being rude didn't either, be an ass and you get treated like one.
Good, my polymorphing spell is apparently coming along quite nicely. A new more months and I shall move up from the donkey to the noble giraffe! I was unaware, however, that you make a habit of speaking to farm animals...
I said it was a reptile.
And nowhere did you prove such a thing. Magical creatures, such as this one, laugh at your puny comprehension of the way that they work, because it's certainly at least partially detached from biology, what with the innate fire-breathing and all.
(Looks at post.)

OOOooo, looooook at the typo.

You had to pretty much deliberately read my post assuming the worst.

That typo was "how" I don't see how we could hit it safely, I wasn't disagreeing with you on that, I was telling you to chill the fuck out.
I can't, as you say, "Chill out" because your posts are brain salsa. Perhaps you should include some brain dairy; I hear that it's good for the bones of your argument, which have so many holes in them.

Points:

This Dragon we know nothing about, save that it is completely scaled, with no imperfections (Even it's wings were scaled when it had them), is twice as tall as we are, and is many times as long. It used to breathe fire. It has not displayed any unusual levels of cunning, but it has not really had a chance to yet. Nowhere is there any evidence that it is Cold-or warm-blooded save that it had the magical ability to produce heat, which it could have used on itself (we don't know). It's scales are hard enough to not be penetrated by your average ice pick (About the sharpness of our bolts) being shot at around 40 mph, and its scales appear to resist magical freezing. It is not fast enough to catch us, but is fast enough that we have to make a special effort to avoid it's attacks.

This room is incredibly large, presumably so that the dragon could fly around in it, and has a tunnel leading up to it. We do not know the dimensions of the tunnel. The tunnel is magical, in that once we were in it the the entrance had disappeared.

This is what we know.

What we do not know is how it works. Again, this is a dragon. Their very existence spits in the face of logic, common sense, and physics. We do not know what happened to the dragon to remove it's ability to breathe fire; it could have lost the ability to project it's heat, or it could have lost all magical abilities entirely. We don't know how smart this thing is; there aren't many things in it's situation that it could be doing smarter right now, what with the loss of it's fire breath and all. And last, and definitely least (No, seriously, this is completely irrelevant), we don't know why you have such an obsession with my usage of the term kiting to describe running away from the dragon so that it doesn't hit us while hitting it with ranged attacks.
 
Well, when I consider it:

Fire is a ball of flame. This ball may be stronger, due to our consumption of the firecoons, or it may not. It has no pressure; all it does is burns. This is a dragon who breathes fire. It doesn't care about something it probably outclasses in terms of heat when it sneezes.

Water requires water. Ness has stated that our bolts are very hard to melt, presumably due to the freezing effect they possess. Taking the time to melt them is time spent not attacking the dragon, and all it takes is one bad roll to end us.

Wind is useless right now, unless we want to cool off because we've suddenly become too hot for some reason.

Water again... Eyeballs are watery... Perhaps... but we'd have to overcome the SR... Well, it won't slow us down...

We have a unicorn horn flashlight, with unknown effects.

We have regeneration, which I'm hoping that we won't need.

New Vote:

[X] Shoot icebolts at it's eyes.
-[X] Ice is just frozen water. Try to manipulate the water in the bolts so that they come closer to the eyes and nose.
-[X] Eyeballs are watery sacks of squishy stuff. They're almost 80-90% water, and in a ball shape, so therefore the optimal formation for our water manipulation. Using this logic, try to blind the dragon by moving/stirring the water in it's eye to rupture it.
[X] Whether or not any of this works, run away and keep dodging while you're doing.
 
Its not that big of a dragon, twice as tall as we are, and we couldn't possibly be taller then 5"6', more likely a flat five foot with how young we are.

So we have a ten to eleven foot high dragon with no wings and likely cold blooded given its biology and what I stated above.

Basicly because of likely blood flow due to being a vertebrate (unless this is a dragon made of pure magic in which case we are fucked regardless.) The fastest way to cool it down is by hitting its chest and armpits. A two foot radius orb of fire is large enough for a chest size that is likely around five feet wide in the front and eight to ten feet long on the sides.

With the speed of the spell, we should be fine.
Twice as tall as us, yes. It is also a quadruped, so it is longer than it is tall. Most depictions of dragons (of this type) have a tail that is between 1/4 and 1/2 of it's total length, and an elongated neck and snout. It could likely swallow us whole.

Point is, twice our height leaves a lot of variables, and considering this is a dragon, it is significantly longer and heavier than the metric suggests.

Assuming it has the proportions of the Fenric Wolf (about twice as long as it is tall), it would be about 20ft in length. Then you elongate the neck, snout, and add the much longer tail, and it becomes much larger, with more muscle mass and widened stance to compensate.

(also, our spell as a 2ft diameter)

The hallway would have been too small for something that large to turn around, and we were supposed to tire it out by knocking it deeper into the hallway with our spells as it tries to back peddle out of the hall, something not at all easy if we targeted it's legs, and then drown it once the ice melted.
You severely overestimate the power of a 2ft long slightly pointed block of ice, while underestimating the intelligence and mass of a dragon. We can't push it, especially when the only physical forces we can exert bounce off the scales.

If you honestly thought it was a warmblooded creature biologically, why would it do this in what appears to be a climate controlled room?
We've been in the room for all of 5 minutes, and I don't remember any notation that it was warmer or cooler in here than it was in the forest.

It's a reptile, reptiles are cold blooded. Think about it, it stays in a single room for extended periods of time, requiring less food and drink then most creatures that size would. All cold blooded creatures run off less energy then warm blooded creatures, a dragon's biology at first glance and it's habits suggest cold blooded.
It has reptilian features, but it also a fictional creature, with greater than human intelligence in almost all cases, uses several forms of magic, and has flight despite all signs saying it should not be able to. We cannot assume dragons run on the same logic as our world.

edit: huh. apparently this is mostly a moot post then...
edit2: poor formatting fixed.
 
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Well, he's gone.
Guys, the ice argument is pointless, you're both right, but it depend on the mechanic behind the ice spell and where do the moisture come from
If we take preexisting moisture from the air and force the heat away from it, causing it to flash-freezing, then the ice bolt is as magical as a javelin
If we conjure the moisture, then it depend on
1. We take the moisture from a somewhere, so it is still physical
2. We just make it on the spot, punching physic in the face as we do so, then it is as magical as it gonna get.

For the blood argument, judging from the scales and its lack of visible wangs or wang-pockets, or the mamary glands if its female,and egg layings tendecies, I say its cold-blooded (Unless this dragon is related to platypus, if so, I will eat my laptop). Everything in a fictional world must be assumed to be paralel to it's real life counterpart unless stated or implied otherwise by the creator; take ASoIF, for example, despite the fucked up seasons we still assume that Planetos is a spherical euclidean planet revolving around one or multiple stars until Martin get his hands out of his fat ass and started writting again.

Why are we even discussing this? The only way we can benefit from this is that we somehow create a big enough thermic shock to kill it, so its blood may as well be made of dancing clowns for all the good it will do.

The tunnel plan is sound in theory, but we will need to wait for Dark Ness to give the exact measuring of the tunnel vs the dragon's.

I say we try climbing it, it can't attack us with it feet,head, nor tail if we can reach his back, its scale and ridges should be good handhold, and given that its quadruple locomotion and weight, it can't try to stand up or do any matador shit without screwing itself over( Unless the dragon is either part dog or part equine, then I'm out)
 
I say we try climbing it, it can't attack us with it feet,head, nor tail if we can reach his back, its scale and ridges should be good handhold, and given that its quadruple locomotion and weight, it can't try to stand up or do any matador shit without screwing itself over( Unless the dragon is either part dog or part equine, then I'm out)
I like the idea, but I don't see much practical use for it in this case. The scales are thick and tough enough that our ice bolts can't pierce them with anything resembling ease. It may also try to ram itself (and us) into the wall. I feel I should also point out that the scales themselves are noted to be sharp, they likely aren't as good of handholds as thought.
It has lots of sharp, tough, and thick looking scales, without any imperfections that you can see.
 
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Guys, the ice argument is pointless, you're both right, but it depend on the mechanic behind the ice spell and where do the moisture come from
If we take preexisting moisture from the air and force the heat away from it, causing it to flash-freezing, then the ice bolt is as magical as a javelin
If we conjure the moisture, then it depend on
1. We take the moisture from a somewhere, so it is still physical
2. We just make it on the spot, punching physic in the face as we do so, then it is as magical as it gonna get.
The argument stemmed from the fact that the bolt is explicitly stated to be formed from water moisture in the air that's frozen and moved by a spell, so the actual bolt itself is non-magical.

On another note, my eye-ball bursting water-manipulation plan? Will it work? Can somebody point out any flaws in it, other than us not being able to overcome it's spell resistance?
 
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So there's ya go, our mosquito bite's physical.

And the dragon can try to ram us into the walll, but we should be fast enough to jump off, not to mention it need some serious balancing to ram its back into the wall at a 90 degree angle
 
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On another note, my eye-ball bursting water-manipulation plan? Will it work? Can somebody point out any flaws in it, other than us not being able to overcome it's spell resistance?
Our hydrokinesis may require us to have physical contact with at least some of the water we intend to shape. (we don't know yet if we can do it at range) It may also have a limitation that only 'unattended' water can be properly shaped without a spell. (unattended as in: Not in another creature's possession and/or immediate vicinity)
 
[X] Shoot icebolts at it's eyes.
-[X] Ice is just frozen water. Try to manipulate the water in the bolts so that they come closer to the eyes and nose.
-[X] Eyeballs are watery sacks of squishy stuff. They're almost 80-90% water, and in a ball shape, so therefore the optimal formation for our water manipulation. Using this logic, try to blind the dragon by moving/stirring the water in it's eye to rupture it.
[X] Whether or not any of this works, run away and keep dodging while you're doing.

You don't actually know that eyeballs are made of water and you definitely don't know the percentage of water, but since you know they are squishy and you have killed several things with eye attacks, and you know about blood, I will tentively allow you to try it.

The tunnel plan is sound in theory, but we will need to wait for Dark Ness to give the exact measuring of the tunnel vs the dragon's.
Tunnel plan wouldn't work. The dragon is too big to fit in the tunnel.
 
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Then I guess the eyeballs plan is a go
[X] eyeballs

You know what we need? We need to start doing autopsy on EVERYTHING we kill, our knowlegde is not Cedra knowlegde
 
You cannot possibly be serious. What is Cedra, a special needs child? Next you'll tell me that she doesn't know that her body is made out of the stuff she eats...

How would you know? You are in a medieval culture, have never practiced medicine or dissected an eyeball, and it is extraordinary that you can even read and write. Give me some good reasons why you would know, and I may retcon it.
 
How would you know? You are in a medieval culture, have never practiced medicine or dissected an eyeball, and it is extraordinary that you can even read and write. Give me some good reasons why you would know, and I may retcon it.
Eyeballs are watery looking? Bodies are watery? We're filled with water? We cry water? We eject waste water? We die when we don't have enough water? It's fairly obvious that humans have a lot of water in them, even to a medieval person, so going the extra step and thinking that an eyeball, an organ known for leaking water when disturbed, has lots of water in it is fairly obvious...

I'm just complaining because these things are disturbingly obvious, and yet apparently Cedra has never, ever figured out any of them. And the percentages thingy was OOC, sorry if that was unclear. Derp.
 
Eyeballs are watery looking? Bodies are watery? We're filled with water? We cry water? We eject waste water? We die when we don't have enough water? It's fairly obvious that humans have a lot of water in them, even to a medieval person, so going the extra step and thinking that an eyeball, an organ known for leaking water when disturbed, has lots of water in it is fairly obvious...
Which is why I allowed the vote, because it is a reasonable inference to make. You just wouldn't KNOW it.
 
Which is why I allowed the vote, because it is a reasonable inference to make. You just wouldn't KNOW it.
I'm sorry for how my recent posts in this thread are turning out increasingly vitriolic. Being annoyed at people doesn't help them get smarter. It's just that medieval people aren't as uninformed as people like to think; the ancient Egyptians even had batteries, for goodness sake, although nothing to use them on. So when I read that Cedra doesn't know things, like about vacuums (Places where air isn't, like if you suck on a tight bottle), or how dust blows up (Even though anybody who wouldn't want to start a fire, like, say, people in a medieval town, would know this), or how air is involved with sound (even though it's obvious just by looking at a drum, which they had back then, or a flute, what with all the blowing on the mouthpiece and all) it irks me. Regardless of that, though, I shouldn't make this thread less enjoyable by filling it with my irked-ness. Sorry.
 
I'm sorry for how my recent posts in this thread are turning out increasingly vitriolic. Being annoyed at people doesn't help them get smarter. It's just that medieval people aren't as uninformed as people like to think; the ancient Egyptians even had batteries, for goodness sake, although nothing to use them on. So when I read that Cedra doesn't know things, like about vacuums (Places where air isn't, like if you suck on a tight bottle), or how dust blows up (Even though anybody who wouldn't want to start a fire, like, say, people in a medieval town, would know this), or how air is involved with sound (even though it's obvious just by looking at a drum, which they had back then, or a flute, what with all the blowing on the mouthpiece and all) it irks me. Regardless of that, though, I shouldn't make this thread less enjoyable by filling it with my irked-ness. Sorry.

It's not that people wouldn't know it, some do, but you are a peasant, with no education and generally a shout in. I believe I mentioned that your father was the only person you had daily contact with. You worked in the shop, bought things from the market, and not a whole lot else on a daily or weekly basis. It isn't that you are stupid, your learning speed is actually quite good, you are just really uninformed.

Also, I believe you would know about the dust thing, did I say otherwise?

Finally, when you get back to town, there will be an option to educate yourself so you know more.
 
[X] Shoot icebolts at it's eyes.
-[X] Ice is just frozen water. Try to manipulate the water in the bolts so that they come closer to the eyes and nose.
-[X] Eyeballs are watery sacks of squishy stuff. They're almost 80-90% water, and in a ball shape, so therefore the optimal formation for our water manipulation. Using this logic, try to blind the dragon by moving/stirring the water in it's eye to rupture it.
[X] Whether or not any of this works, run away and keep dodging while you're doing.
@Dark Ness you double posted.
 
Also, I believe you would know about the dust thing, did I say otherwise?
Yup.
You don't know what a vacuum is

Not sure what you mean here
You don't know that sound is transmitted through air unless you mean stuff like "whistling through the trees"

You don't know about the whole "surface area" thing
I think that the objection was because you were thinking about the science behind it or something? In any case, you shot the idea down and made us all sad...
 
I think that the objection was because you were thinking about the science behind it or something? In any case, you shot the idea down and made us all sad...

Oops.:oops:

Yeah, you know it. You just don't know why it happens.

Edit: Actually, you don't know about the surface area thing. You do know that stuff like wheat burns really well when its dusty.
 
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When we get back to town after this, we are so buying a sack that we can tie to our belt and filling it with flour, so that when we need a fireball we can have one for cheap.
 
When we get back to town after this, we are so buying a sack that we can tie to our belt and filling it with flour, so that when we need a fireball we can have one for cheap.

You can do that. People will look at you funny for carrying flour everywhere, though. Also, you can already make a fireball for cheap.
 
You can do that. People will look at you funny for carrying flour everywhere, though. Also, you can already make a fireball for cheap.
I meant the explosive kind, not the "Sphere of Fire" kind. So many of our problems can be solved with a good explosion, and while people won't underestimate an obviously magical book like the artifact we're going for, I doubt that they'd take away a bag of flour when imprisoning us...

:Hail Science:
 
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