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A Villain In A World Of Heroes
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munchkinomatic
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Ah, but I'm but an unfinished product, waiting for the right genius to input the code. (That's just a fancy way to say that I'm an imposter)
So, will you munchkin with me?
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I'm pretty poor at it but I can support.
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Hang on we're trying to figure out how to kill a dragon without ( I assume ) any more GM handouts.
I assume there aren't any weak spots we can attack for massive damage that we haven't already attacked.
I assume there aren't any weak spots we can attack for massive damage that we haven't already attacked.
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Everyone wants to do the same thing becaue it worked before, namingly doubling down on the same plan if something goes wrong.
We should have tried to trap it in the hallway, were we would have had every advantage.
We need to try other things.
[X] Use ice attacks, then use fire. Use resulting water to make things slippery and dragon wet. Use ice again to freeze dragon, and slit its throat.
We should have tried to trap it in the hallway, were we would have had every advantage.
We need to try other things.
[X] Use ice attacks, then use fire. Use resulting water to make things slippery and dragon wet. Use ice again to freeze dragon, and slit its throat.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Face, meet palm. You're going to be living with each other for the next few days.
In that hallway, there are only two directions. One is where we are and can move in, and the other is dragon. Even without firebreath or flight, Dragon > Us. There is no question. And that hallway? If we go back, I don't think we'd be getting a second chance. So it'd be "Flambe'd by a dragon", or "lost the artifact". No winning. At all.
Oh, and it's throat? Scales. What'll we be cutting dragon scales with, eh?
[X] Kite the dragon with Icebolts... again. If it works, don't fix it.
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Problem is the dragon only needs one good roll to catch up and screw us on this plan.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Yeah, but no matter what plan we choose, one good roll from the dragon is going to screw us over anyway. Melting the Ice would give us one more weapon to work with, I suppose, and it is stated to explode...
[X] Kite the dragon, but shoot some bolts off to the side and melt them if we get the chance. Working hydrokinesis into this fight may allow us to push ourselves around with water for emergency dodging or something.
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Dark Ness
Rises Where Silence Dies
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I said this before:
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Dragons in European mythology have their weak point at the base of the throat. WI suspect that the reason why ice was ineffective was because dragons are supposed to be resistant to magic, and this is a beginners spell.
If I am right, then a good soild stab to the throat should do it. If that files thenjust stab an eye, why give a shit.
As for the hallway stuff...Are an idiot? I am not saying WE go into the hallway, that we should have made the dragon go into the hallway where we could have boxed it in.
I was talking about when we first engaged it....and how the fuck I'd the dragon supposed to turn around in that hallway while being bombarded with spells?
And Kite the dragon isn't going to work, its faster then us. Kiting relies on us being faster and smarter then our enemy...and we know we sre not faster. Ice bolts arn't going to work.
Your vote is a horrible plan.
The ice isn't working, and no one is willing to try fire.
I mean, holy fuck guys its still a cold blooded animal! Do you guys know what happens to lizards when you cool then down and then rapidly heat them up repeatedly? They die from the stress on their organs.
While our character does not know this, ice isn't working. Why would she use something that doesn't work? Fire is the next logical step.
Even if I am wrong, that means that we have no means to fight the dragon if fire is ineffective, and will have to wait long enough for the water to melt anyway.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Wat. No. The ice is non-magical in composition. It's 100% real ice. Magic resistance has nothing to do with this equation.
Implying that A.) We could box in the thing we're running away from, B.) We could dodge past a freaking dragon in Close Quarters, C.) That our spells do anything to it that it can't just shrug off, barring a crit.
Dragons. Cold blooded. The mystical beings renowned throughout all of human history for being huge, scaly, and FIRE BREATHING. GGhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I know you know that I think that you're an idiot, but you don't have to go out of your way to confirm my suspicions.
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Arkatekt
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Cedra likely wouldn't know this. (see below for ice response)
How did you plan to get a dragon into the hallway, without us being trapped in the hallway as well?
I suspect by kite, he meant: dodge when it charges and shoot while running.
(see below)
Cedra wouldn't know about temperature shock, and your plan for causing it was bad. A single layer of ice on the surface of a massive creature wouldn't be enough for that, especially when our only heat is a 2-ft diameter fireball that is noted to melt the magic ice slowly.
Ice bolts were working, as noted by the cries of anger when they hit the interior of the mouth and the corner of the eye. it was a matter of Cedra's accuracy, not spell effectiveness.
We chose not to use fire (and you mentioned this earlier in your post) because dragons are often resistant to magic and/or fire, and our only fire spell is Magical Fire. Our Ice spell is Magically conjured Ice, thrown with Magic, that causes Magical Freezing, and Non-Magical Bashing/Piercing on hit.
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With any luck, it will flail around madly trying to eat Cedra without any depth perception.
Without any, its abilities were not reduced in the slightest.
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And yeah, Cedra can't really control ice at a large enough magnitude to make anything but piercing bolts a viable attack.
Without any, its abilities were not reduced in the slightest.
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And yeah, Cedra can't really control ice at a large enough magnitude to make anything but piercing bolts a viable attack.
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munchkinomatic
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May be we can attack the toes with ice? Freezing the space between the toes will prevent the dragon from spreading them to support its weight. When the ice melt, the dragon may slip.
Another thing we can do is try to climb, the scales and ridges should provide adequate hand hold and the dragon can't fly or use it's wings to knock us off. The only way for its to do so is litterally to roll over.
I hope this is clear enough for anyone wanting to leave the forest, heroes take on monsters like this on a daily basis
Another thing we can do is try to climb, the scales and ridges should provide adequate hand hold and the dragon can't fly or use it's wings to knock us off. The only way for its to do so is litterally to roll over.
I hope this is clear enough for anyone wanting to leave the forest, heroes take on monsters like this on a daily basis
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Icebolts'll take a while to melt, by word of GM, so presumably two battle-updates or so. A good contingency plan, but I don't think that we can afford to waste shots that could be attempting to pierce the thing's brain...
munchkinomatic
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How about going underneath it? The dragon will have a hard time hitting us, as a beast, it is against their instint to lie down in the middle of a fight
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
But what if it's smart? We'd be smeared on the ground, just like jam made out of a little girl who underestimated a dragon's intelligence... oh, wait. And I know that that reads as kind of vitriolic. Sorry.
munchkinomatic
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So far, it seem to be acting like an animal
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1) Of course the ice is magical, it was formed with magic. The magical freezing does not appear to have caused any effect. With how long the ice takes to melt even in fucking fire, the spear of ice has to be fucking magic. Normal ice melts fast when put into fire.
2) Once again, we wouldn't have been running away from the fucking dragon. We were already close enough in place. We already used my same reasoning of dodging the fucking dragon so it runs right past us in order to be stuck in a room with an angry dragon. Standing in front of the hallway and dodging would have been simple. And the whole point was to keep it away from us and potentially tire it out and drown it with our water.
3) Its fire and flight were clearly magical based. If dragons were real today, the wings would have to be stupidly huge to support even hollow boned animals with that much muscle, and biological fire is not a logical path of evolution for a beast that large and likely intelligent. The fact that they are magical based should be supported by the fact that the wings were removed without harming the dragon, and the dragon wasn't trying to breath fire or fly after losing it from phantom limb sensation.
Stabbing the throat would be normal, even likely given our wolf influence, but I do agree that she would not know this IC.
Again about the hallway, that WAS my original plan. We can't do that any more. Its no longer an option.
That is not what kiteing is. He kept on using that word, now I see he just didn't know what it meant. It means in terms of video games and war, to keep ahead of the persuing enemy and attack from a distance in order to prevent personal harm.
Being required to dodge means that we are just dodging, not kiteing.
I already stated that she would not know about rapid heating and cooling being able to kill cold blooded animals. You quoted me saying it as the first line in the next segment you quoted. Why are you counting that against me, when I give a perfectly valid IC reason for using fire?
The magical ice spread didn't happen on the dragon, otherwise ice would have covered its eyes when we almost hit them. Again more evidence towards it being immune to magic....but still. This means that just the ice will cool it.
Its not that big of a dragon, twice as tall as we are, and we couldn't possibly be taller then 5"6', more likely a flat five foot with how young we are.
So we have a ten to eleven foot high dragon with no wings and likely cold blooded given its biology and what I stated above.
Basicly because of likely blood flow due to being a vertebrate (unless this is a dragon made of pure magic in which case we are fucked regardless.) The fastest way to cool it down is by hitting its chest and armpits. A two foot radius orb of fire is large enough for a chest size that is likely around five feet wide in the front and eight to ten feet long on the sides.
With the speed of the spell, we should be fine.
As for the ice bolts not working, good job. We caused it some minor pain by shooting a spear of ice into the soft tissue of its mouth instead of any meaningful damage. Now it might tear us to shreads quickly!
Why that long? With a dragon crushing the ice that is bouncing off, it should melt much faster.
Its smart enough go close its mouth, I think even with just natural instinct to protect the eyes it can move its head out of the way of our now predictable target we just aimmed for.
At least he is coming up with new ideas, cut him some slack.
Dragons in some storylines have a weak underbelly, I just can't see bkw we could hit it safely.
It is the first guardian in the wisdom trial, and its clearly magical...
And it already acted with intelligence by closing its mouth.
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Dark Ness
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Actually, it does, just not well. The ice bolts all bounced/slid off the dragon, except for the ones in its eye and mouth, which spread.
munchkinomatic
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That don't actually prove much, most animals should know to close their mouth if something is shooting ice into it. Still, I agree that this is the wisdom trial, so the boss shouldl be smart.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Normal ice affected by a magical component of a spell. The ice is ice. It is just kept frozen by magical energy.
So, we dodge, the dragon runs into the tunnel, and then what would your brilliant plan have us do next? Unless we have a magical spell I don't know about that you do, what would happen next is that the dragon would turn around and charge us again, same as what actually happened. Your plan would have provided no benefit.
Of course it's fire and flight were magic based; I never claimed that they weren't. I also never claimed that all of the dragon's magic was removed, and its magics continued existence is proven by the fact that there was a fourth riddle that we didn't solve. Think about it; you've got a magical beast that produces heat for itself, and then projects it as a cone of fire at it's enemies. Even magical beasts can't be completely inefficient, if the wizard in question wants to have a bunch of them, so naturally the dragon would use some of that energy to provide it's own heat, therefore it would logically be warmblooded. And this is a beast that, once again, breathes fire; while cooling it down would probably have an effect on it, we are incapable of producing anything even approaching the level of dragonfire, much less something that can make a dragon uncomfortable.
Kiteing is shooting at your enemies and running away. The fact that we have to run away in a non-linear fashion is irrelevant to my usage of the term, and your sniping at a perceived error in my terminology is pointless towards this discussion.
Nowhere does your argument provide anything resembling a good reason for why a dragon, a being that produces so much extra heat that it can afford to use it as a breath weapon, would be cold-blooded.
Did you not read the second sentence of my two sentence long response to his idea? I didn't like the idea because it involves us getting very close to a dragon, who has a tail I might add, and even a glancing blow from him (or her), especially from the tail, which we'd be getting incredibly close to for an extended period of time, would almost certainly seal our fate.
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That's magical ice dude.
For someone accusing me of not reading your posts, you seem to do a lot of that yourself.
The hallway would have been too small for something that large to turn around, and we were supposed to tire it out by knocking it deeper into the hallway with our spells as it tries to back peddle out of the hall, something not at all easy if we targeted it's legs, and then drown it once the ice melted.
You didn't get the point?
I never said that all of the magic was removed.
What gave you that idea? That riddle could have just given us an escape route, or maybe we got it right and we don't know the effects as of yet. Dark Ness shouldn't tell us.
Magically.
Inefficient? It's a walking, flying tank with magical resistance! Fire is just a nice bonus here.
If you honestly thought it was a warmblooded creature biologically, why would it do this in what appears to be a climate controlled room?
It's a reptile, reptiles are cold blooded. Think about it, it stays in a single room for extended periods of time, requiring less food and drink then most creatures that size would. All cold blooded creatures run off less energy then warm blooded creatures, a dragon's biology at first glance and it's habits suggest cold blooded.
By magic. It creates it with magic. It doesn't store it inside it's body of some silliness like that.
You don't have to if it's cold blooded.
Even if you are right about the fire, which you aren't, then what's keeping the dragon warm now that it's gone?
No, the fact that you have to dodge its attacks every other second does. Kiteing requires you to stay out of harms way while maintaining distance. If you studied any war tactics you would know this.
An you calling me an idiot right off the bat and being rude didn't either, be an ass and you get treated like one.
I said it was a reptile.
(Looks at post.)
OOOooo, looooook at the typo.
You had to pretty much deliberately read my post assuming the worst.
That typo was "how" I don't see how we could hit it safely, I wasn't disagreeing with you on that, I was telling you to chill the fuck out.
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