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[X] Majesty
[X] True Champions: Fisher King + Companions of the King. 37 + 6 Arete, 2 + 1 picks
[X] Buy Fisher King regardless
[X] Ambrosial Tinge [2 picks, 7 Arete]

Ambrosia is very good and relatively cheap. Let's not forget the last line for it as well.
Rihaku said:
You can also sell it for enormous quantities of material wealth if economic warfare is preferred.
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Money has been a consistent problem for us. With this we'll always have a way to make easy cash, so long as there is someone nearby willing to buy.
 
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Rihaku said:
Ambrosial Tinge [2 picks, 7 Arete] - Converts Hunger's blood to acquire certain properties of the Ambrosia of this place, a nectar of divine palate that extends youth and lifespan indefinitely when ingested. Given Hunger's regeneration, he can produce a vast and bounteous supply with modest effort.
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this sexy vampire will let you pay for the privilege of drinking his tasty blood and becoming immortal
 
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@Zampano Do you mind throwing up some arguments for Ambrosia? I'm interested, but it doesn't naively seem to contain a lot of value. Economic incentives/material wealth seem like something we could get without spending arete, addicting people to Hunger's blood seems... bad, and though the life extending bits are very interesting, one of the benefits of the RoE is the anagathic fruits (for companions, though admittedly not for populations).
 
Strange9 said:
@Zampano Do you mind throwing up some arguments for Ambrosia? I'm interested, but it doesn't naively seem to contain a lot of value. Economic incentives/material wealth seem like something we could get without spending arete, addicting people to Hunger's blood seems... bad, and though the life extending bits are very interesting, one of the benefits of the RoE is the anagathic fruits (for companions, though admittedly not for populations).
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Heads up, but the addictiveness is a toggleable quality, not always on. One sec I'll grab the quote quick.
 
Rihaku said:
[ ] Majesty: Fisher King + Sword in the Stone. 37 Arete, 2 + 1 picks.
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Sword is extremely powerful on defense and offers good resurrection. It's not really what we need right now since we're still on the offensive and right now would be an impractical time to sheath the blade, but we'll need it eventually. And the self-resurrection is really good.

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[ ] True Champions: Fisher King + Companions of the King.
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It's the nature of a Cursebearer to leave their companions behind; this insures they'll be at least somewhat able to contribute.

One issue with this power is that scales negatively since the difference between higher and lower ranks grows larger as rank rises. The difference between rank 5 and rank 4 isn't so great; the difference between rank 12 and rank 11 is a impossible gulf. And it only gets worse as rank climbs higher.

It's still good though. There are other powers than Rank, like Gisena's graces and Versch. And this means they're strong enough to act independently rather than needing to spend all their time hanging around Hunger.

The resurrection is sorely needed. And the rank and stat boosts are great.

Rihaku said:
[ ] Exalted Battle Array (3 picks, 26 Arete)
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Let's not risk death again just yet.

Rihaku said:
[ ] November Sky (2 picks, 28 Arete)
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A scaling speed penalty against more powerful enemies is huge given how critical speed is to these sorts of fights. The comprehensive debuff to regular enemies, and the insta-kill ability for beings with weaker rank, are both solid.

My problem with this is it's a power pick. No resurrection, and the additional potential it grants via mental upgrades is just decent.

Rihaku said:
[ ] The Ring of Power - Ring of Essence [5 picks, 50 Arete, Defining Advancement].
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Gives progression and is "An absurdly, almost unfairly versatile ability". No real immediate power.

Very good obviously, but I'd rather finish Fisher King and secure some form of self-resurrection.

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[X] Ambrosial Tinge
[X] Buy Fisher King regardless
[X] True Champions

A tough choice, but we need self resurrection and I think the story will be more fun to read when our companions can keep up better.
 
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Strange9 said:
@Zampano Do you mind throwing up some arguments for Ambrosia? I'm interested, but it doesn't naively seem to contain a lot of value. Economic incentives/material wealth seem like something we could get without spending arete, addicting people to Hunger's blood seems... bad, and though the life extending bits are very interesting, one of the benefits of the RoE is the anagathic fruits (for companions, though admittedly not for populations).
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It's like Lunar Coronet. We add our Blood in a non-habit forming version to public water supplies and we mitigate some of the life we're going to sap on a cosmic scale during the brief time Decimator's Affliction will be online I think.

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[ ] Ambrosial Tinge [2 picks, 7 Arete] - Converts Hunger's blood to acquire certain properties of the Ambrosia of this place, a nectar of divine palate that extends youth and lifespan indefinitely when ingested. Given Hunger's regeneration, he can produce a vast and bounteous supply with modest effort.

Useful for increasing the health and lifespan of a populace exposed to the Decimator's Affliction, or simply creating dependents to leverage in the future. Habit-forming functionality can be disabled if one simply wants to provide delightful sustenance to one's allies. You can also sell it for enormous quantities of material wealth if economic warfare is preferred.
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Conjured Blade said:
It's like Lunar Coronet. We add our Blood in a non-habit forming version to public water supplies and we mitigate some of the life we're going to sap on a cosmic scale during the brief time Decimator's Affliction will be online I think.
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Hmm, that makes sense. Nevertheless, unless the effect is truly insane, I think for now I'm in favor of saving the Arete for Rank gains (and thus improving Ennobling).
 
True Champions is definitely strong, but there's something to be said for picking Exalted Battle Array or November Sky and entering the second half of this build vote with enough Arete to buy another EFB...
 
[X] True Champions: Fisher King + Companions of the King. 37 + 6 Arete, 2 + 1 picks

[X] Ambrosial Tinge [2 picks, 7 Arete]

I haven't wanted Companions for SO LONGAAAAAAAAA!!!!

I really wish we could know if it's the right/ best Choice to synergies with Aeira's loot mystery box transformation thing though :(.

Does anyone have any idea on what could possibly go with a Shadow Ninja Magical Girl's Transformation/ Evolution?

Edit: Buying Two EFB's would also be nice :(
UGHHHHHHH
 
Strange9 said:
Hmm, that makes sense. Nevertheless, unless the effect is truly insane, I think for now I'm in favor of saving the Arete for Rank gains (and thus improving Ennobling).
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One more thought. What happens if we feed our Cloak our Ambrosial Blood? Does the Ambrosia raise it's metaphysical value? Or we just trade our Blood for Wealth to feed our Cloak. Remember, anything that's a source of wealth can be a source of magical power.

Here's Lunar Coronet for Context
[ ] Lunar Coronet - 7 Arete - Appellation of the False Moon's Conquerer; a crown of the soul, a tapestry of stars, and a writ of shining moonlight. Conjunctional [The Ring of Power; the Evening Sky]
*++CHA, +Int, +Wits, +Wis, -Heartlessness; Vassals gain +Mental, +Social Attributes.
*Enormously increases the Magnitude of your Elemental surges; for Hunger, this is represented as a two-stage increase in augment strength (30% -> 50%). Letrizia's Sharpbright would grant her a full additional Rank. You may designate up to two principal allies also to benefit from this effect; designations may be changed if a principal ally falls.
*Blood Augmentation: If Vigor Itself is acquired, apply the wielder's Charisma as Protection to these principal allies.
*Merges blood and Edeldross augmentation; dozens or even hundreds of allies may be Vassalized with a single drop of Edeldross-infused blood, the bonus lasting years. Duration depends on how closely they adhere to the preferences of the Elementalist; a vassal who is false will lose the bonus almost instantly. Total number of vassals = Rank^2 * 10.
*Requires Exalted Spirit. Arete debt incurred from this purchase is treated at half scope (you can take 2 debt, allowing it to be purchased this Experience point).
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If I understand it right, we'd be able to augment 1000 people with our current rank and 1 drop of blood if Lunar Coronet ever made another appearance.
 
[X] Exalted Battle Array

Guys I am so serious when I say this is by far one of my favorite advancements I have seen in this quest. The fact that people are just going "oh neat" and then voting for lame debuff aura and comfy makes me sick. I despise comfy gang almost as much as gisena simps.

Guys we can anime fusions dance. And it buffs every single echo we will ever get period. AND WE GET TO STEAL MORE GIANT ROBOTS. Remember that problem where if we made the apocryphal armament we'd have to mitigate versch decimation? Gone! Now we can safely pursue that, then have our cake and eat it too! This is just all around a fantastic and incredibly entertaining option. Please people consider it harder. We should also probably grab fisher king since we've been holding out on it for so long.
 
[X] True Champions

Not that enthused by any option for some reason. They all sound strong but I don't really feel a particular preference, and not interested in Might of the Closed Fist or Emperor Red at all.

Let's just get Fisher King and get our companions back to relevance, and get RR down the line.
 
[X] True Champions: Fisher King + Companions of the King. 37 + 6 Arete, 2 + 1 picks
[X] Ambrosial Tinge [2 picks, 7 Arete]
 
GenericName said:
[X] Exalted Battle Array

Guys I am so serious when I say this is by far one of my favorite advancements I have seen in this quest. The fact that people are just going "oh neat" and then voting for lame debuff aura and comfy makes me sick. I despise comfy gang almost as much as gisena simps.

Guys we can anime fusions dance. And it buffs every single echo we will ever get period. AND WE GET TO STEAL MORE GIANT ROBOTS. Remember that problem where if we made the apocryphal armament we'd have to mitigate versch decimation? Gone! Now we can safely pursue that, then have our cake and eat it too! This is just all around a fantastic and incredibly entertaining option. Please people consider it harder. We should also probably grab fisher king since we've been holding out on it for so long.
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I'm willing to consider Exalted Battle Array/Ambrosial Blood as an alternative, the anime combine memes are tempting. Approval voting for now. November Sky isn't that popular by the way.

[x]True Champions
[x]Exalted Battle Array
[x]Ambrosial Tinge
 
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GenericName said:
[X] Exalted Battle Array

Guys I am so serious when I say this is by far one of my favorite advancements I have seen in this quest. The fact that people are just going "oh neat" and then voting for lame debuff aura and comfy makes me sick. I despise comfy gang almost as much as gisena simps.

Guys we can anime fusions dance. And it buffs every single echo we will ever get period. AND WE GET TO STEAL MORE GIANT ROBOTS. Remember that problem where if we made the apocryphal armament we'd have to mitigate versch decimation? Gone! Now we can safely pursue that, then have our cake and eat it too! This is just all around a fantastic and incredibly entertaining option. Please people consider it harder. We should also probably grab fisher king since we've been holding out on it for so long.
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Indeed, you guys shouldn't assume you'll always have access to Exalted Battle Array either, since Hunger is nowhere near proficient enough with the Realm to call arbitrary enemies... in that case, this could in the short-to-medium term represent one of the only ways of increasing the base value of all Echoes, and thus the value of picks in general given Pillars of Creation.
 
Conjured Blade said:
I'm willing to consider Exalted Battle Array/Ambrosial Blood as an alternative, the anime combine memes are tempting. Approval voting for now. November Sky isn't that popular by the way.

[x]True Champions
[x]Exalted Battle Array
[x]Ambrosial Tinge
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One thing to note, is that true champions has synergy with our mega fusion dance. It's exponentially stronger than everyone fused, if we buff our companions up to similar level and then fuse, we'd be disgustingly powerful.
 
GenericName said:
Guys I am so serious when I say this is by far one of my favorite advancements I have seen in this quest. The fact that people are just going "oh neat" and then voting for lame debuff aura and comfy makes me sick. I despise comfy gang almost as much as gisena simps.

Guys we can anime fusions dance. And it buffs every single echo we will ever get period. AND WE GET TO STEAL MORE GIANT ROBOTS. Remember that problem where if we made the apocryphal armament we'd have to mitigate versch decimation? Gone! Now we can safely pursue that, then have our cake and eat it to! This is just all around a fantastic and incredibly entertaining option. Please people consider it harder. We should also probably grab fisher king since we've been holding out on it for so long.
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If you take enough rolls that have a 99% chance of survival, eventually you roll a one.

I am thoroughly turned off of death rolls at this point. And this one isn't even necessary, we have other ways of getting power.
 
For the Sake of Clarity, I'm not sure if we actually get the Combine technique now, or just the ability to buy it with 1 normal pick and 7 Praxis picks.

The Immediate Value of Exalted Battle Array is 3 Panopoly Slots
The ability to link with up to 5 armaments
an 80% reduction in Endurance cost for persistent praxis techniques(I don't think we have any right now)
A Boatload of might/agility (8 Might and Agility for the Echoes we Already have assuming I understood the Blurb Correctly("Applies to Existing Purchases), combined with 2 Might/Agility times the number of unspent picks, with EBA and Ambrosial Tinge that's 5 Echoes, or 10 Might and Agility gained).

Current Strength(Including Will buffs): 55*2.08 = 115.5+34.76 Willpower after buffs/debuffs= 150.26
Current Constitution(Including Will Buffs): 51*2.08 = 106.08+34.76 Willpower after buffs/debuffs= 140.84
Current Agility(Including Will Buffs): 61*2.78 = 169.58+34.76 Willpower after buffs/debuffs= 204.34

With 18 Might/agility on top of that...

Strength = 73*2.08 = 151.84+34.76 = 186.6
Constitution = 69*2.08 = 143.52+34.76 = 178.28
Agility = 79*2.78 = 219.62+34.76 = 254.38

The gains are considerable for us but we'd have to rush for Apocryphal Armament and a Praxis Training session to get the full benefits out of EBA.
 
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