A Little Trouble in Big China - A Chinese Warlord Quest


I guess if this goes in the worst possible way for Zongchang then at least the Soviets will get that 'celebrate a bloody wake' bit checked off from the last generation's Manchurian war.
 
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I guess if this goes in the worst possible way for Zongchang then at least the Soviets will get that 'bloody wake' bit checked off from the last generation's Manchurian war.

At it's worst, Zongchang will get assasinated like Zuolin did. Stalin doesn't think the SU is ready for a fight with Japan yet, and I think the influential military faction is the OTL "let's invade China and Indonesia and get resources" one, not the one itching for a confrontation with the Soviets.
 
At it's worst, Zongchang will get assasinated like Zuolin did. Stalin doesn't think the SU is ready for a fight with Japan yet, and I think the influential military faction is the OTL "let's invade China and Indonesia and get resources" one, not the one itching for a confrontation with the Soviets.
Eh, that's how Zongchang went out OTL anyway. But I do think there is the possibility for this skirmish to result in a broader war. If Stalin ends up wanting to regain the prestige that the Tsarist regime lost in the east so that people won't mess with the country and its puppets, I think it's possible that he could retaliate with more pep than Manchuria could handle. And if the Japanese army is smarting and left neglected after a fight with one of the Chinese warlords (even if admittedly the most powerful and militarily developed one around), Japan could look weak and possibly unwilling to protect its rogue puppet.
 
Eh, that's how Zongchang went out OTL anyway. But I do think there is the possibility for this skirmish to result in a broader war. If Stalin ends up wanting to regain the prestige that the Tsarist regime lost in the east so that people won't mess with the country and its puppets, I think it's possible that he could retaliate with more pep than Manchuria could handle. And if the Japanese army is smarting and left neglected after a fight with one of the Chinese warlords (even if admittedly the most powerful and militarily developed one around), Japan could look weak and possibly unwilling to protect its rogue puppet.
Yeah, the possiblity of it all spiralling is there, and with the IJA wanting to regain lost prestige it isn't that small. Well, here's to hoping.
 
Anyone for the introduction of Rhine Capitalism? Anyone for the zany adventures of Du Yuesheng? Anyone for punching the raison d'etre of Communism in the face? Then vote Du Yuesheng!

[] Du "Big-Eared Du" Yuesheng: Han mob boss who has a controlling interest in Zhuhai and worked with elements of the Republicans. Ties with elements of the Chinese Revolutionary Party (Kemingtang).

Development:

A) Due to complaints about how easily affected by the wind the sparks that fire the rifle are, and dissatisfaction with the normal misfire rate of one in every six shots that had already been pointed out in the manuals that came with the rifle...the Zhuhai Boar Hunting rifle shall from this point onwards be a Percussion Cap rifle.

In accordance with this decision, a factory shall be built in Zhuhai that is dedicated to creating Mercury Fulminate percussion caps for the Zhuhai Black Powder Hunting Gun Workshop. This factory shall operate according to the highest standards possible in China, because of how dangerous Mercury Fulminate is to exploding with a hit. Also in accordance with this decision a general recall of all flintlock Zhuhai Boar Hunting Rifles along with their manuals shall be issued. All flintlock breeches shall be replaced with percussion cap breeches and thirty free percussion caps per customer along with new manuals for the percussion cap Zhuhai Boar Hunting Rifles.

Also, expand the facilities of the Zhuhai Black Powder Hunting Gun Workshop so as to expand the production of Zhuhai Boar Hunting Rifles. 1/3 of the Boar Hunting Rifles produced shall be for commercial selling while the remaining 2/3 is to be used to arm Tong members.

Also accordingly divert 1/2 of all the paper and gunpowder produced in the Zhuhai Recycled Paper Factory and Zhuhai Fireworks Company to paper cartridges for the Boar Hunting Rifles while leaving the remaining half to commercial purposes.

B) Expand the Tong once more, to the rest of the towns and villages of Bao'an County, Dongguan County, Foshan Town, Nanhai County, Shunde County, Gaoming County, Sanshui County, and Canton itself. With maximum effort, offer Tong membership to all the fishermen, all the doctors and nurses and accountants, all the street and market stall vendors and family store owners, and all the martial artists (Ip Man, Bruce Lee's teacher is alive and in Foshan) in these areas. Put it in terms of the collective self defense of all honest entrepreneurs in these very troubled times. Also tell them that if possible, buy insurance plans from the 65-35 Portuguese majority owned Insurance Corporation just in case the worst happens to any of them. Also have all current members of the Zhuhai Tong with enough means to do so buy insurance plans from said company, to make said company expand more and earn more money for the collective Tong and to add money to the non-cash insurance the Tong is already providing to all its members.

Tell the Taiwan branch of the Zhuhai Tong to expand more across Taiwan as they see fit, but do it in secret from the Japanese.

Contact the French and the American military officer in Shanghai who trained Du Yuesheng's Personal Guard. Offer them enough money to be convinced to move to Zhuhai or Macao and start training Tong members again in both French and American military tactics, in the same manner as what they did before.

Quickly start subverting the Qing Governor's militia in Canton by secretly offering all of them Tong membership, money and escape routes for them and their families to safe places in Tong areas when the Left KMT comes for Canton.

C) Build a large firing range in Xiangshan, named the Noisy Firing Range, which is a member only firing range and paid for by membership fees. This place shall serve as a thin cover for the paramilitary training of all the Tong members who are armed with Zhuhai Boar Hunting Rifles under the supervision of Du Yuesheng's Personal Guard and hopefully the French and American military officer.

To give additional cover, invite Portuguese and British civilians with guns and Portuguese and British Armed Forces personnel with their own guns to become members of the Noisy Firing Range and use it whenever they like. And invite as many of them as possible.

Maintain the knife fighting classes for all new members, but keep at it for all present members too. Also ask Chinese martial artists to evaluate on the effectiveness of the knife fighting being taught in these classes.

D) Contact the Legislative Assembly of Macao, and propose several ideas that they could communicate to Lisbon so the members of the assembly could score early political points with their people back home if they plan on becoming politicians.

The first proposal is that the Zhuhai Tong is willing to assist Portugal in cleansing out the Portuguese Communist Party from Portugal. Portugal would arrest all PCP members and exile them to China, where the Zhuhai Tong will receive the Portuguese Communists and then send these exiled Communists to the Left KMT to do whatever they want except for returning back to Portugal.

The second proposal is to be done after informing the Legislative Assembly of Macao that the Zhuhai Tong has bought the rights to produce the Howell Automatic Rifle from the British at exorbitant prices several years ago. The second proposal is that the Zhuhai Tong would allow the Fabrica de Braco de Prata of Portugal to produce Howell Automatic Rifles under license so the Zhuhai Tong can buy Howell Automatic Rifles and the corresponding .303 ammunition from them.

The third proposal is that the Zhuhai Tong is willing to help Portuguese Military Attaches observe both sides of the Chinese Civil War for information on how warfare is changing, starting from how effective semi-automatic rifles are. In turn the Portuguese Army and Navy will station units in Macao to help keep every other faction honest. The units should also help the Zhuhai Tong plan for the defense of the combined Tong-Macao areas against all unfriendly comers.

The fourth proposal is in regards to the Japanese agents in Macao. Privately inform the Legislative Assembly of how thoroughly infiltrated by Japanese agents Macao is, provide as much proof as needed and propose the assistance of the Tong in helping Portugal use these agents to influence Japan to take actions that benefit Portugal and the Tong with the use of fake information left for these agents to find.

The fifth proposal regards the Imprensa Nacional de Macau (National Press of Macao). Inform the Legislative Assembly that it is missing out on extra funds for the City Government of Macao by only reserving the printing press for official government publications. But there is a considerable sum of money that could be potentially earned from self-publishing writers, it just has to be advertised that the Imprensa Nacional de Macau is also accepting interesting self-published works. And Du Yuesheng is interested in helping to advertise that by paying for the publication of this book he is in the process of writing.

E) Increase salt production by building more Salterns at Bao'an County's Dapeng and Yantian areas and buying up the existing Salterns there. At the same time contact Liao Zhongkai and propose that he peg his CRD to the price of Salt as a way to restore confidence in it.

Build a second factory for the Zhuhai Fireworks Company, a second factory for the Zhuhai Recycled Paper Factory, and a second materials recovery facility for Clean World Recycling in Nanshan to increase gunpowder, paper and recovered materials production. The second branches will concentrate on the Hong Kong - Bao'an County - Dongguan County area.

Build more 65-35 Portuguese Majority owned Fish Farms in all the Tong controlled areas to increase food production and act as a diplomatic and political minefield vs. anyone with pillaging fantasies. And in coordination with this scheme inform Chiang Kai Shek, Liao Zhongkai and the Qing Governor in Canton (if Canton is still in Qing control) about these fish farms and their ownership so they could avoid a faux pas with the Western Powers should their factions reach these areas.

F) Start writing a book called "Benevolent Greed: A proposed Counter-Reformation of Capitalism to Communism's Reformation" wherein Du Yuesheng expounds on Rhine Capitalism
, to be called Benevolent Capitalism in this timeline. One he finishes writing the book, self publish the book with the Imprensa Nacional de Macau (National Press of Macao).

100 books shall be in the Portuguese language, to be sold at bookshops in Macao. 100 books shall be in English, to be sold in bookstores in Hong Kong. And 102 books shall be in Chinese, 100 of them to be sold in bookstores in both Macao and Hong Kong and the last two books to be sent to Chiang Kai Shek, with a letter saying this is how Du Yuesheng plans to contribute in the fight against Communism. But it won't be fully effective without Chiang Kai Shek's help.

Yes! Du! Yue! Sheng!

Any new readers of this quest, come on and vote!
 
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A few more edits:

To give additional cover to Du Yuesheng's Personal Guard and all gangbangers without other jobs aside from security of Tong properties and members, establish the Macao-Zhuhai Watchman Agency, it's HQ to be in Macao and secondary HQ in Zhuhai, and enroll all the armed people into the employee rolls of the Macao-Zhuhai Watchman Agency.

The sixth proposal is in regards to Zhuhai Recycled Paper Factory, Zhuhai Fireworks Company, Clean World Recycling, Zhuhai Black Powder Hunting Gun Workshop, Noisy Firing Range, Macao-Zhuhai Watchman Agency and all the Tong Salterns and Clinics. Tell the Portuguese the Tong is willing to sell 10% of the ownership and profit shares of all these entities to the City Government of Macao in return for their full assistance against anyone who tries to seize these legally established properties.

Build one clinic each in Xiangshan, Bao'an, Dongguan, Foshan, Nanhai, Shunde, Gaoming and Sanshui Counties.

Trap cards. Trap cards everywhere.

:V:V:V:V:V

What you folks think?
 
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What's the purpose of the watch man agency? Private military company? Business security? Did you finish kitting your guy with automatic?

A little bit of Business Security, a little bit of Private Military Company for a just in case scenario, but mostly to prevent instant disarming of the entire Tong by whoever wins the incoming battle of Canton. Besides...there's a reason why I decided to have the Tong in quest armed with Zhuhai Boar Hunting Rifles. The Tong is now uh...not dangerous enough to win a real war, but dangerous enough to actually wage a real war for at least...a month. I'm pursuing a balancing act that preserves the Tong's existence here.

No, I'm only going to receive new Howell Rifles if the Portuguese license deal goes through. I'm not buying from the Left KMT because its logical to see that all Howell Rifles will be used for the civil war, and every bullet and rifle count towards stabilizing the current situation. Besides, I think only 1/5 of the Personal Guard are armed with Howell Rifles and remaining .303 ammunition. Thankfully, the Howell Rifle is only a modified ordinary SMLE Mark 3 so buying an ordinary rifle would already give spare parts for anything that breaks down.

Anyone for Rhine Capitalism in China? Anyone for punching the raison d'etre of Communism in the face? Anyone for the zany adventures of Du Yuesheng?

Then vote Du Yuesheng!


[] Du "Big-Eared Du" Yuesheng: Han mob boss who has a controlling interest in Zhuhai and worked with elements of the Republicans. Ties with elements of the Chinese Revolutionary Party (Kemingtang).

Development:

A) Due to complaints about how easily affected by the wind the sparks that fire the rifle are, and dissatisfaction with the normal misfire rate of one in every six shots that had already been pointed out in the manuals that came with the rifle...the Zhuhai Boar Hunting rifle shall from this point onwards be a Percussion Cap rifle.

In accordance with this decision, a factory shall be built in Zhuhai that is dedicated to creating Mercury Fulminate percussion caps for the Zhuhai Black Powder Hunting Gun Workshop. This factory shall operate according to the highest standards possible in China, because of how dangerous Mercury Fulminate is to exploding with a hit. Also in accordance with this decision a general recall of all flintlock Zhuhai Boar Hunting Rifles along with their manuals shall be issued. All flintlock breeches shall be replaced with percussion cap breeches and thirty free percussion caps per customer along with new manuals for the percussion cap Zhuhai Boar Hunting Rifles.

Also, expand the facilities of the Zhuhai Black Powder Hunting Gun Workshop so as to expand the production of Zhuhai Boar Hunting Rifles. 1/3 of the Boar Hunting Rifles produced shall be for commercial selling while the remaining 2/3 is to be used to arm Tong members.

Also accordingly divert 1/2 of all the paper and gunpowder produced in the Zhuhai Recycled Paper Factory and Zhuhai Fireworks Company to paper cartridges for the Boar Hunting Rifles while leaving the remaining half to commercial purposes.

B) Expand the Tong once more, to the rest of the towns and villages of Bao'an County, Dongguan County, Foshan Town, Nanhai County, Shunde County, Gaoming County, Sanshui County, and Canton itself. With maximum effort, offer Tong membership to all the fishermen, all the doctors and nurses and accountants, all the street and market stall vendors and family store owners, and all the martial artists (Ip Man, Bruce Lee's teacher is alive and in Foshan) in these areas. Put it in terms of the collective self defense of all honest entrepreneurs in these very troubled times. Also tell them that if possible, buy insurance plans from the 65-35 Portuguese majority owned Insurance Corporation just in case the worst happens to any of them. Also have all current members of the Zhuhai Tong with enough means to do so buy insurance plans from said company, to make said company expand more and earn more money for the collective Tong and to add money to the non-cash insurance the Tong is already providing to all its members.

Tell the Taiwan branch of the Zhuhai Tong to expand more across Taiwan as they see fit, but do it in secret from the Japanese.

Contact the French and the American military officer in Shanghai who trained Du Yuesheng's Personal Guard. Offer them enough money to be convinced to move to Zhuhai or Macao and start training Tong members again in both French and American military tactics, in the same manner as what they did before.

Quickly start subverting the Qing Governor's militia in Canton by secretly offering all of them Tong membership, money and escape routes for them and their families to safe places in Tong areas when the Left KMT comes for Canton.

C) Build a large firing range in Xiangshan, named the Noisy Firing Range, which is a member only firing range and paid for by membership fees. This place shall serve as a thin cover for the paramilitary training of all the Tong members who are armed with Zhuhai Boar Hunting Rifles under the supervision of Du Yuesheng's Personal Guard and hopefully the French and American military officer.

To give additional cover, invite Portuguese and British civilians with guns and Portuguese and British Armed Forces personnel with their own guns to become members of the Noisy Firing Range and use it whenever they like. And invite as many of them as possible.

To give additional cover to Du Yuesheng's Personal Guard and all gangbangers without other jobs aside from security of Tong properties and members, establish the Macao-Zhuhai Watchman Agency, it's HQ to be in Macao and secondary HQ in Zhuhai, and enroll all the armed people into the employee rolls of the Macao-Zhuhai Watchman Agency.

Maintain the knife fighting classes for all new members, but also maintain knife fighting classes and practice for all present members too. Also ask Chinese martial artists to evaluate on the effectiveness of the knife fighting being taught in these classes.

D) Contact the Legislative Assembly of Macao, and propose several ideas that they could communicate to Lisbon so the members of the assembly could score early political points with their people back home if they plan on becoming politicians.

The first proposal is that the Zhuhai Tong is willing to assist Portugal in cleansing out the Portuguese Communist Party from Portugal. Portugal would arrest all PCP members and exile them to China, where the Zhuhai Tong will receive the Portuguese Communists and then send these exiled Communists to the Left KMT to do whatever they want except for returning back to Portugal.

The second proposal is to be done after informing the Legislative Assembly of Macao that the Zhuhai Tong has bought the rights to produce the Howell Automatic Rifle from the British at exorbitant prices several years ago. The second proposal is that the Zhuhai Tong would allow the Fabrica de Braco de Prata of Portugal to produce Howell Automatic Rifles under license so the Zhuhai Tong can buy Howell Automatic Rifles and the corresponding .303 ammunition from them.

The third proposal is that the Zhuhai Tong is willing to help Portuguese Military Attaches observe both sides of the Chinese Civil War for information on how warfare is changing, starting from how effective semi-automatic rifles are. In turn the Portuguese Army and Navy will station units in Macao to help keep every other faction honest. The units should also help the Zhuhai Tong plan for the defense of the combined Tong-Macao areas against all unfriendly comers.

The fourth proposal is in regards to the Japanese agents in Macao. Privately inform the Legislative Assembly of how thoroughly infiltrated by Japanese agents Macao is, provide as much proof as needed and propose the assistance of the Tong in helping Portugal use these agents to influence Japan to take actions that benefit Portugal and the Tong with the use of fake information left for these agents to find.

The fifth proposal regards the Imprensa Nacional de Macau (National Press of Macao). Inform the Legislative Assembly that it is missing out on extra funds for the City Government of Macao by only reserving the printing press for official government publications. But there is a considerable sum of money that could be potentially earned from self-publishing writers, it just has to be advertised that the Imprensa Nacional de Macau is also accepting interesting self-published works. And Du Yuesheng is interested in helping to advertise that by paying for the publication of this book he is in the process of writing.

The sixth proposal is in regards to Zhuhai Recycled Paper Factory, Zhuhai Fireworks Company, Clean World Recycling, Zhuhai Black Powder Hunting Gun Workshop, Noisy Firing Range, Macao-Zhuhai Watchman Agency and all the Tong Salterns and Clinics. Tell the Portuguese the Tong is willing to secretly sell 10% of the ownership and profit shares of all these entities to the City Government of Macao in return for their full assistance against anyone who tries to seize these legally established properties.

E) Increase salt production by building more Salterns at Bao'an County's Dapeng and Yantian areas and buying up the existing Salterns there. At the same time contact Liao Zhongkai and propose that he peg his CRD to the price of Salt as a way to restore confidence in it.

Build a second factory for the Zhuhai Fireworks Company, a second factory for the Zhuhai Recycled Paper Factory, and a second materials recovery facility for Clean World Recycling in Nanshan to increase gunpowder, paper and recovered materials production. The second branches will concentrate on the Hong Kong - Bao'an County - Dongguan County area.

Build one clinic each in Xiangshan, Bao'an, Dongguan, Foshan, Nanhai, Shunde, Gaoming and Sanshui Counties.

Build more 65-35 Portuguese Majority owned Fish Farms in all the Tong controlled areas to increase food production and act as a diplomatic and political minefield vs. anyone with pillaging fantasies. And in coordination with this scheme inform Chiang Kai Shek, Liao Zhongkai and the Qing Governor in Canton (if Canton is still in Qing control) about these fish farms and their ownership so they could avoid a faux pas with the Western Powers should their factions reach these areas. Inform Chiang Kai Shek about the hidden trap in all other Tong companies, that the Portuguese are also co-owners of these companies.

F) Start writing a book called "Benevolent Greed: A proposed Counter-Reformation of Capitalism to Communism's Reformation" wherein Du Yuesheng expounds on Rhine Capitalism
, to be called Benevolent Capitalism in this timeline. One he finishes writing the book, self publish the book with the Imprensa Nacional de Macau (National Press of Macao).

100 books shall be in the Portuguese language, to be sold at bookshops in Macao. 100 books shall be in English, to be sold in bookstores in Hong Kong. And 102 books shall be in Chinese, 100 of them to be sold in bookstores in both Macao and Hong Kong and the last two books to be sent to Chiang Kai Shek, with a letter saying this is how Du Yuesheng plans to contribute in the fight against Communism. But it won't be fully effective without Chiang Kai Shek's help.

Yes! Du! Yue! Sheng!
 
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I just made a minor edit to my plan, since I felt that I ought to keep some of the Imperial Guard behind to guard the emperor, not that I have any reason to actually worry, but still it is a part of the job for the Imperial Guard.
Prince Chun will order an offensive along the border Qing and C-KMT shares with the primary objective being to battle test the new army with a secondary objective of occupying as much land as possibly without risking the army in a meatgrinder. He plans to use both the regular army he has just created alongside a 1,000 men from the Imperial Guard, leaving the rest to guard the emperor. He will of course also raise a decent number of conscripts (so they can be used as cannon fodder if necessary) and start training up new soldiers to replace those likely to fall in the coming battles. He will also recruit the most promising veterans into the imperial Guard in a continuing attempt to raise their numbers.
 
I just made a minor edit to my plan, since I felt that I ought to keep some of the Imperial Guard behind to guard the emperor, not that I have any reason to actually worry, but still it is a part of the job for the Imperial Guard.
So you're taking half. I take it the idea is to also take half the artillry, not just men? Also, now that I think about it, who's going to be leading your expedition? Chun, or someone else? If someone else, can they be trusted not to try to get more autonomous?
 
So you're taking half. I take it the idea is to also take half the artillry, not just men? Also, now that I think about it, who's going to be leading your expedition? Chun, or someone else? If someone else, can they be trusted not to try to get more autonomous?
Thanks for reminding me about the artillery. Personally, I think that the artillery would be best used at the front, since the emperor had to be under a very serious attack for artillery to be need, though the same can be said about a 1,000 elite soldiers.

About who leads the expedition, then I would assume it to be someone prince Chun trusts, since as far as I know, then Chun was no general, though you are right, that with military officers tendency to become warlords in this time periode of China, then that could be a problem.
 
About who leads the expedition, then I would assume it to be someone prince Chun trusts, since as far as I know, then Chun was no general, though you are right, that with military officers tendency to become warlords in this time periode of China, then that could be a problem.
Then you should probably add "The expedition will be led by someone Prince Chun trust not to become a warlord/someone he believes is not ambitious" or something like that. Assuming is a good way of getting into trouble, like I did when I ordered the attack North in turn 5, supposing the NRA would be loyal, and got a warlord in Jiangxi.

Edit In case you want examples, here are a few likely to be loyal (they are the ones on the Qing side in the wikibox): Manchu Restoration - Wikipedia
 
It is kind of funny, that the guy who was president of the republic, when they tried to restore the Qing empire, Li Yuanhong, now is the Qing minister of war. He must have a certain amount of support for that to happen.

But your are right, I likely ought to add something about the expedition being lead by someone Chun believes to be loyal.

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So I added the changes.

Prince Chun will order an offensive along the border Qing and C-KMT shares with the primary objective being to battle test the new army with a secondary objective of occupying as much land as possibly without risking the army in a meatgrinder. He plans to use both the regular army he has just created alongside a 1,000 men from the Imperial Guard, leaving the rest to guard the emperor, though all of the Imperial Guards artillery are taken with the army south. He will of course also raise a decent number of conscripts (so they can be used as cannon fodder if necessary) and start training up new soldiers to replace those likely to fall in the coming battles. He will also recruit the most promising veterans into the imperial Guard in a continuing attempt to raise their numbers. Prince Chun will try to chose an loyal general to lead the army south to ensure that the general do not turn into another warlord.
 
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@Dadarian, when is the vote closing?

Also uhh...is there any condition needed where one can introduce weapons that didn't exist in real life but are plausible given what is present at the time?

Like say, black powder rocket Bazookas? Or an improved cal.22 round with black powder charge, which we are more familiar with as the 5.56 mm round?
 
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@Dadarian, when is the vote closing?

Also uhh...is there any condition needed where one can introduce weapons that didn't exist in real life but are plausible given what is present at the time?

Like say, black powder rocket Bazookas? Or an improved cal.22 round with black powder charge, which we are more familiar with as the 5.56 mm round?

Two hours and you can try.
 
Two hours and you can try.

Ok.

And finally, have the firework experts experiment with a Congreve Rocket that is modified according to Du Yuesheng's dream after coming home from a party in Macao:

The rocket must have fins, just like the arrows of yesterday had fletchings, but larger. The fins must be from the bottom of the rocket to the middle of the body. And the fins must also be made of steel like the body of the rocket. And as for the bottom of the rocket, there must be this curious shaped nozzle for the opening to the gunpowder fuel. And most important of all, dispense of the guide stick, because the modified Congreve Rocket will use guide rails instead.

If this succeeds...KATYUSHAS! KATYUSHAS EVERYWHERE!

UNLIMITED KATYUSHA WORKS!
 
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Next turn will be quite exciting as various grand plans smash into each other.
 
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