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A Little Trouble in Big China - A Chinese Warlord Quest

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[X] Sun Yat-sen: Han Revolutionary and leader of the Chinese National Party. Founder of the Chinese Republic.
[X] Plan Internal improvements : Create a military academy in Whampoa with the aim of creating an officer corps loyal to the Republic and not to the warlords. Establish a bureau of Infrastructure with the task of building infrastructure to support the communes and to ease logistics to the front. An Anti-Banditry campaign must also be launched with the aim of eradicating Bai's group and other bandit groups, ask the local communes to aid our efforts by providing information we should also build guardposts along the supply routes to deter bandit attacks.

Alongside that we must find capable men to form a Bureau of Industry with the aim of smuggling industrial equipment and knowledge to supply our burgeoning industry with the tools needed to advance

Try to establish an informal Chinese lobbying bloc in the United States with the aim of opening up trade. Try to paint our struggle in the same vein as the American war for Independence and that our land reform is not a war against wealth but merely a war against the idle aristocrats.

Summon Li Liejun to remind him or his loyalty to republic and promise him rewards after the war not during it.
 
[X] Sun Yat-sen: Han Revolutionary and leader of the Chinese National Party. Founder of the Chinese Republic.
[X] Plan Internal improvements : Create a military academy in Whampoa with the aim of creating an officer corps loyal to the Republic and not to the warlords. Establish a bureau of Infrastructure with the task of building infrastructure to support the communes and to ease logistics to the front. An Anti-Banditry campaign must also be launched with the aim of eradicating Bai's group and other bandit groups, ask the local communes to aid our efforts by providing information we should also build guardposts along the supply routes to deter bandit attacks.

Alongside that we must find capable men to form a Bureau of Industry with the aim of smuggling industrial equipment and knowledge to supply our burgeoning industry with the tools needed to advance

Try to establish an informal Chinese lobbying bloc in the United States with the aim of opening up trade. Try to paint our struggle in the same vein as the American war for Independence and that our land reform is not a war against wealth but merely a war against the idle aristocrats.

Summon Li Liejun to remind him or his loyalty to republic and promise him rewards after the war not during it.
 
@Dadarian, uh regarding the foreign language program...

Why is the update saying the foreigners had money for private tutors? The foreign language program is supposed to be for the Tong members and public. To expand their range of opportunities.

Why are non-Chinese enrolling to learn in the foreign language program for the Chinese?
 
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!! I CAN'T FIGHT BOTH THE COURT AND JAPANESE ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
kilopi505 said:
@Dadarian, uh regarding the foreign language program...

Why is the update saying the foreigners had money for private tutors? The foreign language program is supposed to be for the Tong members and public. To expand their range of opportunities.

Why are non-Chinese enrolling to learn in the foreign language program for the Chinese?
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That makes so much more sense, while I was writing it I remembered the order as you teaching Chinese to foreigners, as opposed to foreign language to the Chinese. There are no non-Chinese enrolled in a learning program for the Chinese, I assumed you were looking for the youth of the international section of Shanghai.

The roll still failed, but I'll rewrite it to be more coherent.
 
[X] Chang Kai-shek: Han Leader of the Kemingtang. Political Governor of Shanghai.
[X] Plan Soft Power: Start making inroads with the military units stationed in and around Shanghai by treating their high-ranking officers to all the pleasures afforded by the Tongs. Give discounts to the common soldiers of the KMT in Tong-controlled whorehouses, drug dens, and bars. Take control of unused factories, ports, warehouses, and farmland under the guise of "nationalizing" Shanghai. Threaten local opponents of the Tongs with a similar government seizure unless they fall in line or pay a steep monetary price to Big-Eared Du. Specifically exclude seizing the property of anyone with ties to the Shanghai International Settlement. Begin training a core of officers for a later expansion of the Shanghai Clique Army with the help of the two foreign officers.

Start smuggling in industrial equipment to both sell to the KMT and refurbish newly acquired factories. Persuade independent shipping companies to assist in general smuggling efforts by waiving port tariffs/fees in exchange.

Organize several soup kitchens in Shanghai with the assistance of street-level Tongs. Use this as basis for a publicity campaign increasing public opinion of Chiang and the Tong organization in general.

Begin meeting with the foreigners of the Shanghai International Settlement to alleviate worries concerning nationalization and encourage further cooperation in business ventures. Specifically treat the Americans to a good time in an effort to open up further trade through Shanghai to the rest of the KMT. Make sure that the KMT knows who got the trade deal underway should his efforts be succesful.

Take full control over of the Kiangnan Shipyard and begin production of river gunboats. Make overtures to the Americans about a production run of the Lexington-Class Battlecruiser. Make similar overtures to British concerning their G3 Battlecruisers.
 
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[X] Sun Yat-sen: Han Revolutionary and leader of the Chinese National Party. Founder of the Chinese Republic.
[X] Plan Internal improvements
 
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[X] Chang Kai-shek: Han Leader of the Kemingtang. Political Governor of Shanghai.
[X] Plan Soft Power: Start making inroads with the military units stationed in and around Shanghai by treating their high-ranking officers to all the pleasures afforded by the Tongs. Give discounts to the common soldiers of the KMT in Tong-controlled whorehouses, drug dens, and bars. Take control of unused factories, ports, warehouses, and farmland under the guise of "nationalizing" Shanghai. Threaten local opponents of the Tongs with a similar government seizure unless they fall in line or pay a steep monetary price to Big-Eared Du. Specifically exclude seizing the property of anyone with ties to the Shanghai International Settlement. Begin training a core of officers for a later expansion of the Shanghai Militia with the help of the two foreign officers.

Start smuggling in industrial equipment to both sell to the KMT and refurbish newly acquired factories. Persuade independent shipping companies to assist in general smuggling efforts by waiving port tariffs/fees in exchange.

Organize several soup kitchens in Shanghai with the assistance of street-level Tongs. Use this as basis for a publicity campaign increasing public opinion of Chiang and the Tong organization in general.

Begin meeting with the foreigners of the Shanghai International Settlement to alleviate worries concerning nationalization and encourage further cooperation in business ventures. Specifically treat the Americans to a good time in an effort to open up further trade through Shanghai to the rest of the KMT. Make sure that the KMT knows who got the trade deal underway should his efforts be succesful.
 
Though I don't think that it would be the greatest thing to go about promoting at this precise moment, wasn't there a development of some very similar party to the Guomindang in French Indochina based on the Three Principles of the People? I don't think it had tremendous influence and it might scare the west fairly heavily (encouraging them to bankroll Sun's enemies) if we start establishing chapters in colonial territories, but I think one was starting to arise in our timeline somewhat later.
 
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However, once again Zuolin's hubris got the best of him. Firstly, the offer to the Whites to rescind the Chinese treaties in payment for greater supplies and haven should they lose to the Bolsheviks is all but laughed off. Although the Bolshevik menace was very much real, thanks to Manchuria's own industrial might, as well as the entry of Japan and Mongolia to the war, it seemed that the Whites had managed a stalemate at Krasnoyarsk, much to the immense disappointment of the Red Army and Bolshevik high command.

Secondly, and much more importantly, word of Zhang's deal of supplies to Sun Yat-sen, the enemy of the Court, came to the ears of Cao. A very stern letter, accompanied with a demand to immediately cut all supplies to the Republic and indemnification for the entire ordeal, landed upon Zuolin's desk a few days prior to the 1st of October.
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I'm my own worst enemy. :facepalm:

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[X] Zhang Zuolin: Han General, disgraced former-President of the Beiyang Republic, Leader of the Fengtian Clique.
-[X] Manchuria Reform
Reform the current Manchuria organization into Provincial Government of Manchuria and Banner Army into North-East Defense Army, with Zuolin and Xueliang remaining as head and heir/general respectively. Promote loyal and able people within to fill out the expanded positions, and start recruitment for lower positions, especially the educated migrants.
Setup Office of standardization with focus on working with military goods manufactures to push standardization and quality improvements for military supply.
Setup Book Keeping and Payroll offices to ensure all the taxes, salaries, and money stuff are watched and regulated. See if there are educated elites from Qing court wanting to change career, fair work environment with path to higher position must be better than the toxic court environment. Merit and honesty will be paid very well.
Expand Office of Specialist and Talents to increase security.
Setup Veteran Outreach Board with intent to find jobs for retiring or crippled soldiers/officers, preferably in government/military or military goods factories. This is for passing on Zhang faction goodwill among workers and ensure loyals are looked after.
Authorize Xueliang to restart late Yuan's military academy as "Fengtian Military Academy" for military education and training, recruits are scouted from existing army and those under training for suitable qualities. The academy should draw up and simulate defensive plans for attacks from all sides.
Setup "Northern Agricultural Exports" (NAE) company that works with all resource extraction companies and factories to consolidates imports and exports for increasing profit for everyone, no slavery allowed. Zhang family and supporter's families should some have stake in this company, recruit employees and investors from the migrants too. Use NAE to recruit European war veterans/specialists for employment in Manchuria (sort of like job agency), focus on those unemployed in their country.
Expand the North-East Defense Army with training camps for new recruits and retraining of existing soldiers. Retraining of existing soldiers shall serve as honorably discharging crippled/retired/unfit soldiers to Veteran Outreach Board, loyalty reinforcement from promotions and associated increases in benefits, and leadership training to lead new soldiers as sergeants or higher.
Existing trade with Sun Republic will be ceased, non-government trade (smuggling) may continue should proper payments are deposited into Zhang faction's secret army account.
Gift a selection of industrial and agricultural goods to Cao Kun, Zhang Xun, and Xu Shichang. Assure Cao Kun that Zhang faction have no ambition, and foster good will with Zhang Xun and Xu Shichang. See if Xu Shichang is interested in setting up education clubs in Manchuria, for increasing education among middle class.
Encourage communists and the like to migrate out of Manchuria, Government of Manchuria will pay for cheap ship tickets going to southern coastal cities.
Discreetly reach out to Weimar Republic for economic and other (military) deals, good trades should open them up for getting advisors (including discharged unemployed officers) to work for Government of Manchuria.

Side notes: VoidZero a non-Qing supporter? You must be mad!

Cause that's obvious.
 
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[X] Du "Big-Eared Du" Yuesheng: Han mob boss who has a controlling interest in Shanghai and worked with elements of the Republicans. Ties with elements of the Chinese Revolutionary Party (Kemingtang).

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Support Chiang Kai Shek in his efforts to expand the Green Gang's influence.

Carefully insert more Tong affiliated personnel into the Bureau of Investigation and Statistics, in order to silently control who gets investigated and when they get investigated. Also continue to carefully insert more spies in the low levels of Qing bureaucracy, with the aim of quantity over quality because we can't get our people in places that are high enough to really do something.

Continue investing in the Foreign Language Program, but this time instead of only selected members of the Tong and the public, open it to literally everyone who wanted to join, whether they be children or adults.

Expand the medical corporation, henceforth to be known as "Shanghai Medical Care Provider Corporation" by establishing more clinics in the Provincial capitols of provinces controlled by the KMT. This is to allow more people in KMT controlled China to receive affordable medical care and more revenue for the Green Gang.

With the unused factories that are seized, establish the "Chang Jiang" Arms Factory with equipment that are bought or stolen and smuggled from abroad. And then...buy the rights to create the Howell Automatic Rifle from Royal Small Arms Factory, since it is most probably theirs by copyright, by any means possible.

No need to antagonize the British, after all.



Once buying the rights succeed, talk with Chiang Kai Shek about how to make the Howell Automatic Rifle the service rifle of the KMT, for profits and prestige.

Also fully equip the Shanghai Clique Army with Howell Automatics and start developing the doctrine for Semi-Automatic rifles for the prestige of being the 1st in the world to have one. This is also intended to start turning the Shanghai Clique Army into the army with the most firepower and the best equipment in China and East Asia.

And finally, inquire with the Green Gang and the Shanghai Tongs as to the idea of breaking into the Pharmaceutical Industry with a corporation that uses all the expertise the collective Tongs had with illegal drugs to create medical drugs. And our aim is to be the medical drug factory of the world one day.

@Dadarian, several questions.

1) I thought the Hall Rifle idea failed. Why are Hall rifles present in the 2nd battle of Kanchow?

2) How many languages are being taught right now in the Foreign Language Program? And how many former prostitutes turned teachers? If you have no preferences then may I suggest the languages being taught and the numbers of teachers?
 
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@Dadarian
How are the power balance currently among the various factions? Like roughly from an outsider's view.

Is Pu Yi still under Prince Chun's "faction" (powerless as it is)?
 
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[] Sun Yat-sen: Han Revolutionary and leader of the Chinese National Party. Founder of the Chinese Republic.
[] Plan Internal improvements : Create a military academy in Whampoa with the aim of creating an officer corps loyal to the Republic and not to the warlords. Establish a bureau of Infrastructure with the task of building infrastructure to support the communes and to ease logistics to the front. An Anti-Banditry campaign must also be launched with the aim of eradicating Bai's group and other bandit groups, ask the local communes to aid our efforts by providing information we should also build guardposts along the supply routes to deter bandit attacks.

Alongside that we must find capable men to form a Bureau of Industry with the aim of smuggling industrial equipment and knowledge to supply our burgeoning industry with the tools needed to advance

Try to establish an informal Chinese lobbying bloc in the United States with the aim of opening up trade. Try to paint our struggle in the same vein as the American war for Independence and that our land reform is not a war against wealth but merely a war against the idle aristocrats.

Summon Li Liejun to remind him or his loyalty to republic and promise him rewards after the war not during it.


@Guilliman, before the last turn, those of us that voted for Sun Yat-sen decided to try to give the Republic a prepared successor. We'd thought about giving Tang Shaoyi (the first, most democratic choice) a position or a mission in Foreign Affairs (maybe being the one who negotiates with Li Liejun, or have him sent to the Reds, or anyone else we might be able to negotiate with); of giving Liao Zhongkai command of the bank, and the command to, say, give out small-interest loans in order for people to expand their industry, or give out war bonds; and of giving Soong Ching-Ling control over state welfare, as well as the power to gain donations from wherever she can, to better the lives of Chinese citizens. What's your opinion on editing some of this into your plan?

Edit: also, Guilliman, you haven't put anything regarding the call for elections, and wherether women will be able to vote, or if there will be a KMT-CCP alliance (which could be an opportunity for Liao Zhongkai, as he was, historically, the architect of the original United Front).

2nd edit: this turn, I'm going to vote for the CPC, to see if they can be made more democratic.
 
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[X] Sun Yat-sen: Han Revolutionary and leader of the Chinese National Party. Founder of the Chinese Republic.
[X] Plan Internal improvements : Create a military academy in Whampoa with the aim of creating an officer corps loyal to the Republic and not to the warlords. Establish a bureau of Infrastructure with the task of building infrastructure to support the communes and to ease logistics to the front. An Anti-Banditry campaign must also be launched with the aim of eradicating Bai's group and other bandit groups, ask the local communes to aid our efforts by providing information we should also build guardposts along the supply routes to deter bandit attacks.

Alongside that we must find capable men to form a Bureau of Industry with the aim of smuggling industrial equipment and knowledge to supply our burgeoning industry with the tools needed to advance

Try to establish an informal Chinese lobbying bloc in the United States with the aim of opening up trade. Try to paint our struggle in the same vein as the American war for Independence and that our land reform is not a war against wealth but merely a war against the idle aristocrats.

Summon Li Liejun to remind him or his loyalty to republic and promise him rewards after the war not during it.
 
@Guilliman


Also, to anyone voting KMT, the Hanyang Arsenal is roughly
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In Wuchang, in Central China. Control over it would be important, as it was one of the largest modern arsenals in China, and would heavily neuter the Qing's ability to arm their forces. Other contemporary arsenals are in Shanghai (which the Republic is unlikely to attack anytime soon), Shanxi (which is closest to Zhang, although he would need to pass Beijing to conquer it), Fuzhou (already under KMT control), and Tianjin (also very close to Zhang).

@kilopi505 It seems that, except for Shanghai and the Qing, no one has a modern shipyard, which means that you've got a monopoly on building steam warships (although river ships and ferries would be easier to build, and anyone can build Naval mines, which where already deployed to great effect in China).

@Kipeci , yes the Việt Nam Quốc Dân Đảng has a couple of years before it is created, and if help is given, it could be merged with Ho Chi Minh's ICP, just like the KMT-CCP alliance, and Republican influence could make it so that the ICP doesn't devolve into authoritarianism the moment Ho Chi Minh dies.
 
DanBaque said:
Shanxi (which is closest to Zhang, although he would need to pass Beijing to conquer it), Fuzhou (already under KMT control), and Tianjin (also very close to Zhang).
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Don't count on warfare between Zhang faction and Qing court before government reforms are complete, Qing influence hasn't been eroded enough. Also there is that stupid fortified pass between Manchuria and China proper, legacy of old age doesn't want to go away. :V Also the Japs are starting to move so....
 
VoidZero said:
Don't count on warfare between Zhang faction and Qing court before government reforms are complete, Qing influence hasn't been eroded enough. Also there is that stupid fortified pass between Manchuria and China proper, legacy of old age doesn't want to go away. :V Also the Japs are starting to move so....
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I mean, Japan isn't doing anything it didn't do historically (Korekiyo was Prime Minister for just a year), and they've just started the "Decade of assasinations", so you really don't have much to fear: the military is still currently expanding their influence in the government. Besides, the railroad is their only supply train, and the chinese coolies would be very easy to infiltrate, which would allow you to blow it up, giving you a fair bit of time.
In any case, I don't expect Zhang to attack the Qing until the Whites are beaten, at the very least (unless they're already on the ropes and it would be of no cost), so it's just me giving a quick look at which arsenals the KMT would be able to take over.
 
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[X]Chen Duxiu
[X] Plan Founding a Party
Use the energy of the May Fourth Movement to gain more student adherents. Declare the inmmediate need for complete land reform, and laud the KMT efforts for it. Support Left Unity, allying and supporting with any anarchist, socialist, or leftists movement (including the KMT, and, if possible, the Kemintang) in China. Reach out to all leftist parties, syndicates, and other organizations around the world in an attempt to gain industrial intelligence, blueprints, and foreign advisers for China. Send people to Soviet Russia to be trained and to learn, as well as to gain their support. Create Work-Study programs to send chinese to European countries to work for their living while gaining an education, and after return to China. Create a party newspaper, to be used in the cities and wherever they can be read. Be completely open to any refugees from the Fengtian, and offer them aid and membership.

Send men to as many cities as possible to expand the number of party members and support the creation of labor unions. Open the internal structure and decentralize the Party, so that anyone can enter it, and to allow greater reaction speed and get more membership or sympathizers. Expand study circles in order to teach those new to the party. Found secret societies in Qing-controlled China, to be controlled by peasants, that will allow them to democratically govern and organize themselves for the future. Create free (or very cheap) medical associations and schools around China, especially in villages, to gain the peoples support and better their livelyhood. Have Zhang Guotao raise small militias wherever he can and train them, while smuggling or, if allowed, giving out propaganda into the armies of all combatants, especially attempting to reach officers and gain adherents in Whampoa. Send leftists to the communes and to places where land has been recently redistributed, to promote the idea of democratic workplaces, gain their support, and attempt to form communes from those places will new small landowners.

Add the CPC's voice to the call of elections, and attempt to gain enough votes to have some representation in the parliament, while offering a full coalition to the KMT.
 
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[X] Sun Yat-sen: Han Revolutionary and leader of the Chinese National Party. Founder of the Chinese Republic.
[X] Plan Internal improvements : Create a military academy in Whampoa with the aim of creating an officer corps loyal to the Republic and not to the warlords. Establish a bureau of Infrastructure with the task of building infrastructure to support the communes and to ease logistics to the front. An Anti-Banditry campaign must also be launched with the aim of eradicating Bai's group and other bandit groups, ask the local communes to aid our efforts by providing information we should also build guardposts along the supply routes to deter bandit attacks.

Alongside that we must find capable men to form a Bureau of Industry with the aim of smuggling industrial equipment and knowledge to supply our burgeoning industry with the tools needed to advance

Try to establish an informal Chinese lobbying bloc in the United States with the aim of opening up trade. Try to paint our struggle in the same vein as the American war for Independence and that our land reform is not a war against wealth but merely a war against the idle aristocrats.

Summon Li Liejun to remind him or his loyalty to republic and promise him rewards after the war not during it.
 
[X] Chang Kai-shek: Han Leader of the Kemingtang. Political Governor of Shanghai.
[X] Plan Soft Power
 
@DanBaque That's a really interesting idea and I wouldn't mind ensuring a clear line of succession but I feel that women's suffrage can be a really destabilising punch to our government at this stage, I'll edit in the plan to start the offensive towards the armoury.
 
@Guilliman Certainly, legalizing women's suffrage is something that could be done a decade from now, if, as done historically, it is preceded by years of government promotal of the matter of equality between sexes. The matter of clean line of succession is important as, if Sun dies at the same time as he did in OTL, there's 4 years, that is, 4 turns to gain an acceptable successor that isn't, as all options currently are (Edit: I mean the options to support as part of the Republic) a warlord.

Edit: And the offensive is definitely good, keeping momentum is important.
 
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DanBaque said:
@Guilliman Certainly, legalizing women's suffrage is something that could be done a decade from now, if, as done historically, it is preceded by years of government promotal of the matter of equality between sexes. The matter of clean line of succession is important as, if Sun dies at the same time as he did in OTL, there's 4 years, that is, 4 turns to gain an acceptable successor that isn't, as all options currently are (Edit: I mean the options to support as part of the Republic) a warlord.

Edit: And the offensive is definitely good, keeping momentum is important.
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Check the latest version of my plan, I've changed it to accommodate your input.
 
Guilliman said:
Check the latest version of my plan, I've changed it to accommodate your input.
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I've no problem with the additions, save this:

Guilliman said:
Madam Soong Ching-Ling will aim to prevent the flight of the remaining wealthy people by asking them to do their duty as citizens of the republic and to open up their coffers to support the Republic's own war effort and to alleviate the sufferings of those victims of the war.
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It seems unlikely that it will be enough- perhaps threatening those who leave with having their properties taken and used to help the needy (be it selling them, and using the proceeds, or whatever) and taking the property of the ones that have left to make it clear it is a real threat? (As well as to stop the brain-drain).

And the fact that you haven't added anything related to the call for elections, which will only grow louder as time passes, and, given the land reform just passed, is very unlikely to result in anything other than a crushing victory for the KMT (or KMT-CCP, if the United Front is formed).
 
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